[Request] Tips for countering magmus Ulti.

[Anezti]

heya, one of the heroes which I absolutely hate playing against, especially one who knows what he is doing. Anyway, apart from the obvious two counters to his stun>ulti combo which would be spread out and buy a shamans headdress or some sort of magic resistant item do any of you have any tips you'd like to share with us noobs who cant counter this prick? :P
Do silences work AFTER he has casted?
would a stun disable his ulti? For example pollywogs magic bindings or elec's grappling thing?
Do high level players struggle with a good magmus or is this purely a Low level PuG game issue?
cheers.

[dreamex]

heya, one of the heroes which I absolutely hate playing against, especially one who knows what he is doing. Anyway, apart from the obvious two counters to his stun>ulti combo which would be spread out and buy a shamans headdress or some sort of magic resistant item do any of you have any tips you'd like to share with us noobs who cant counter this prick? :P
Do silences work AFTER he has casted?
would a stun disable his ulti? For example pollywogs magic bindings or elec's grappling thing?
Do high level players struggle with a good magmus or is this purely a Low level PuG game issue?
cheers.

While he channels his Ultimate for 2 seconds any interuption effect will cancel it. The solution quite simply is to have someone who can interupt him each and every time you engage him and keep that person away from the group.

Typically Magmus never gets his ulti off in more high level games because he's so easy to interupt since it's unlikely he'll catch everyone with his stun.

Exceptions are of course, if he gets a setup from someone like Tempest/Behemoth.

[Cerebrate]

You could buy a Shrunken head (gives you magic immunity). Just pop it when you get charged / see him waving his glowing white hammer in the air.

Yes to the stuns, but only if you stun him while he is casting. He will sit still for a few seconds waving his hammer, but after the ult has begun stuns will not stop it.

In short, learn what the graphic looks like and hit him with a stun / ministun as soon as you see it.

[THE_SPOOKY]

heya, one of the heroes which I absolutely hate playing against, especially one who knows what he is doing. Anyway, apart from the obvious two counters to his stun>ulti combo which would be spread out and buy a shamans headdress or some sort of magic resistant item do any of you have any tips you'd like to share with us noobs who cant counter this prick? :P
Do silences work AFTER he has casted?
would a stun disable his ulti? For example pollywogs magic bindings or elec's grappling thing?
Do high level players struggle with a good magmus or is this purely a Low level PuG game issue?
cheers.


1. Better than a Shaman's Headdress is a Shrunken Head. You can ALWAYS activate it in time to eat the ult, unless you are stunlocked by a different hero than Magmus or you have so little HP that an Eruption+Blink kills you instantly

2. NOTHING stops the ult after it begins, even Magmus' death, but any stun silence or disable will interrupt the cast. Here are a few stuns which activate fast enough to stop a Stun->Eruption, as long as you are in range of the Eruption, even if your back is turned:

1. Madman's Barrel Roll
2. Pestilence's Impale
3. Andromeda's Comet
4. Behemoth's Enrage, buffed by Heavyweight(I may be wrong on this with the new hit timing)
5. Defiler's Silence


The problem with HoN as opposed to DotA(I hate comparing to DotA, but it's true here) is that most heroes' turning speed prevents stuns with long casting animations from hitting him between his stun and his ult if your back is turned to him when you click to aim the stun. Pyromancer, Torturer, and a few others have to deal with this.



Personally, I think Andromeda is the ultimate antimagmus. Her stun will stop a stun->ult every time. By staying about 1000 units from your team during mid/lategame fights, you can stop Magmus entirely by waiting for him to channel his ult, or for him to blink in, and Void Rip him into the bushes, where he will cry all over his R key.

[LadyCaca]

While we are at it, does the Ulti + Portal Key combo work? Meaning, cast Ulti, wait the 2 channeled seconds, then cast Portal Key to where the opposite team is?

[Kitad1]

Its not that hard.

Just make someone on your team can stun him or cancel him in any way, but make sure you guys aren't all stunned if the enemy team has plenty disables, so spread out a little for his stun.

If you are having trouble disabling it, then get that item that gives you +5 magic armor which you can consider upgrading to headress if they have many nukers.

And magmus isn't really DPS or tank, much less a carry, so if you do that, you should be fine

[Lolololage]

As long as he doesnt have portal key yet, thunderbringers bolt is very good at annoying him, the mini stun will cancell his ult during the 2 second windup, making it very hard for him to cast. And of course the extra 2 seconds you give your team lets them get the hell outta dodge.

[Anezti]

thanks very much, you've helped clear up a lot of confusion :)

[Clyne]

shrunken head is also very very usefull for magmus himself since many players are very aware what he is about to do and he will most likley be monitored and stunned instant when i tries to pull the ulti off.

so magmus + portal keys + shrunkenhead will probably kill u unless u flee!

[Glorify1]

BKB completely counters all of the damage.

[UnD3RD0G]

or use Shrunken Head on yourself within the 2 seconds of casting - you'll be save right?

[Glorify1]

BKB is shrunken head, thus activating it will make you immune to all of the pulses.

[Babycakes]

You must not be playing against any good magmus, seeing as any real magmus would buy a portal key and shift-queue ult->blink. Cant interrup that.

(Except with Thunder Bringer)

[GM8]

All those people suggesting here probably never have played a half-decent game with magmus.

The way you do it, is:
1) Hide
2) Wait for teamfight
3) Activate ulti
4) Activate blink dagger
5) Shift-click the location to rape
6) As soon as you have ported, stun

If you pull this off correctly, early game (and of course farm a portal key fast), then there will be nothing that can interrupt you besides Zeus' ult.

Also, to all those saying "Shrunken Head" - by the time you get shrunken head, a good magmus would have made you cry and rage with his ulti. When you do get shrunken head (that's by lvl 14-15 probably, if not later), his ult becomes merely a nuisance, since everyone has so much HP.

There are two-three realistic counters for his ult, that also work earlygame.
a) Don't bunch up
b) Jereziah's ult
c) Skills similar to Predator's magic immunity.

[dreamex]

There are two-three realistic counters for his ult, that also work earlygame.
a) Don't bunch up
<b>b) Jereziah's ult<b>
c) Skills similar to Predator's magic immunity.

You mean Charm right.

[Nedrapter]

Do high level players struggle with a good magmus or is this purely a Low level PuG game issue?
cheers.


On a high level game, the enemy Magmus will always start animation-blink-ulti inside you.

Getting everyone a Shrunken's Head is the 1st solution to the problem, otherwise
As someone mentioned before Andromeda is a good way to make him do very few damage.
Sometimes you dont know tho, where/and when he will blink. What to do then? Ward a lane hardly and the paths near the lane (usually mid lane)Speak with your team and make them undestand that the battle must take place in mid where your wards are. Magmus will probably hide himself before cast, so even hidden your wards see him. When he start his animation tell your team to press their immunities and if they cant (i'm supposing you are playing andromeda) be ready to swap him out. He will target the place with the most of your allies and there are 2 his closest one, if you have your swap pressed and the cursor near that point he would only deal damage of 1 pulse.

[Babycakes]

You mean Charm right.

Probably was referring to the high HP regen on his ult

[dreamex]

Probably was referring to the high HP regen on his ult

25 Regen doesn't really counter 110 Damage / second.

Charm on the other hand, completely nullifies damage >.>

[Aerione]

Just a little question, "Steam Bath" give a stealth delay of 1,6 seconds upon breaking the channel at the highest rank.
Can you see the Magmus or the animation during those 1,6 seconds?
0,4 seconds of reaction time is a little bit too much to ask from normal humans. :P

[BLUEPOWERVAN]

shrunken head is too expensive. everyone should just get tornado staff and cast it on themselves. I hope someone can post a screenshot of this later.

[KSteal4Lols]

stunning magmus works great...until he gets a portal key.

I get shrunken head if he knows how to win with magmus.

[Wolfsong]

While he channels his Ultimate for 2 seconds any interuption effect will cancel it. The solution quite simply is to have someone who can interupt him each and every time you engage him and keep that person away from the group.

Typically Magmus never gets his ulti off in more high level games because he's so easy to interupt since it's unlikely he'll catch everyone with his stun.

Exceptions are of course, if he gets a setup from someone like Tempest/Behemoth.

That comment is just so off...

It should be "Typically Magmus almost always gets his ulti off in more high level games".

[KSteal4Lols]

That comment is just so off...

It should be "Typically Magmus almost always gets his ulti off in more high level games".

I was thinking the same thing, though I've never played in higher tier games...I assumed higher tier magmus players would have portal key and do it outside of combat.

[Archatype]

Just a little question, "Steam Bath" give a stealth delay of 1,6 seconds upon breaking the channel at the highest rank.
Can you see the Magmus or the animation during those 1,6 seconds?
0,4 seconds of reaction time is a little bit too much to ask from normal humans. :P

It'd be fine if you could stun magmus by just yelling "STUNNN" at your computer monitor.

But all the button clicking? ya doesn't work.

[dreamex]

I was thinking the same thing, though I've never played in higher tier games...I assumed higher tier magmus players would have portal key and do it outside of combat.

Sorry, that was the implication.

Magmus NEVER gets his ult off in higher level games, which is why he MUST buy a Portal Key to be effective.

So yes, in higher level games he will get his ult off in the woods and key in, but that is only because he will never have a chance of popping it off in the middle of a fight where people are so good.

That said, keying initiators have their own counters.

[SWARM_THEM]

little mini stuns will stop the channeling too. stuff like zeus's normal nuke, and shaman's slow.

[Domel]

Preferably put ranged with damage spells agaisnt him in line - all melee part jere will get eaten by him.
Keep an eye on him , have some1 with interrupt stay in safe possition , its best if you have some1 that can interrupt within stun-ulti gap.
once he get Shuriken head portal key you need to be super cautious - if its portal key then if you have stealth make him track magmus or use wards
if he has shuriken then it gets very hard - possibly try to focus on him with long range nukes so he cant just charge in and cast it
jerez is v good pick agaisnt mag and BH continous silence is also nice

overally - you need to outplay him - you already know what he is gonna do so just think of what you can do with the heroes you have if you cant then gg

ah and finally one person is not enough to coutner mag - you need whole team know what to do