Leave % and Leaver Thresholds

[ElementUser]

If you wish to go below the 5% leave threshold and you are above the 5% leave threshold, this is the formula you will use to determine how many games you will have to play before getting to the 5% leave threshold:


20*(#_Leaves) = Total_Games_Required

#_Games_To_Play = (Total_Games_Required) - (#_Games_Played)

#_Games_To_Play = 20*(#_Leaves) - (#_Games_Played)

Example:
#_Leaves = 37
#_Games_Played = 591

37/Total_Games_Required = 0.05 (since 5% is the threshold; note that 1/0.05 = 20)

Total_Games_Required = 20*37 = 740

Since you have 591 games played, 740 - 591 = 149 games to go.

*Note that if you get 0 or some negative number then you're in the clear!
**Note that my formula holds only if a player has > 100 games played.

Leaver Thresholds:


1 - 39 Games
3 Leaves

40 - 79 Games
4 Leaves

79 - 99 Games
5 Leaves

100+ Games
5% Leaves

[startrees]

this is incorrect... this is half as much as the games need to play. For example

I have played 50 games and left 5, so I have a %10 leave. Now lets do some 5th grade math. I played another game with out leaving my leave percent went to %9.8. Then I played another game without leaving, guess what happened it went to %9.6, then I played another 9.4%. So you can guess that I have to do 5 games for every whole percent I need to get down. I need to lose %5 so lets do some more basic math

5*5 = 25

Now lets see what I got for your formula:

20*5 = Total_Games_Required = 100

#_Games_To_Play = 100 - 50 = 50

If I were to play 50 more games without leaving my leave percentage would be 2.5%.

That shows double the amount if you got this formula from the actual HoN game then it would show up correctly, but their formula is also incorrect I guess some companies do not know how to create formulas, or are just trying to make money, any ways hope you realize this is incorrect.

[mp]

this is incorrect... this is half as much as the games need to play. For example

I have played 50 games and left 5, so I have a %10 leave. Now lets do some 5th grade math. I played another game with out leaving my leave percent went to %9.8. Then I played another game without leaving, guess what happened it went to %9.6, then I played another 9.4%. So you can guess that I have to do 5 games for every whole percent I need to get down. I need to lose %5 so lets do some more basic math

5*5 = 25

Now lets see what I got for your formula:

20*5 = Total_Games_Required = 100

#_Games_To_Play = 100 - 50 = 50

If I were to play 50 more games without leaving my leave percentage would be 0%.

That shows double the amount if you got this formula from the actual HoN game then it would show up correctly, but their formula is also incorrect I guess some companies do not know how to create formulas, or are just trying to make money, any ways hope you realize this is incorrect.


Honestly, this is funny :). Maybe someone should return to 5th grade and check the math books (before bashing companies on their products)?

Hint - 5 out of 100 is 5%

[HeadHunt0r]

this is incorrect... this is half as much as the games need to play. For example

5*5 = 25

Now lets see what I got for your formula:

20*5 = Total_Games_Required = 100

#_Games_To_Play = 100 - 50 = 50

If I were to play 50 more games without leaving my leave percentage would be 0%.

That shows double the amount

Forget 5th grade Math, think he needs to go back to 3rd grade math, to learn the difference between half and double.

I honestly thought this could be a troll, until I re-read that statement.. In this case the poster I think is just fail at math.

[man_guy]

this is incorrect... this is half as much as the games need to play. For example

I have played 50 games and left 5, so I have a %10 leave. Now lets do some 5th grade math. I played another game with out leaving my leave percent went to %9.8. Then I played another game without leaving, guess what happened it went to %9.6, then I played another 9.4%. So you can guess that I have to do 5 games for every whole percent I need to get down. I need to lose %5 so lets do some more basic math

5*5 = 25Stop rounding. Don't be lazy and you'll see that the "pattern" isn't a pattern (-.2% / game).

[Sku1l]

If I were to play 50 more games without leaving my leave percentage would be 0%.


That made me laugh

5% of 100 is for sure 0 :)

[ElementUser]

this is incorrect... this is half as much as the games need to play. For example

I have played 50 games and left 5, so I have a %10 leave. Now lets do some 5th grade math. I played another game with out leaving my leave percent went to %9.8. Then I played another game without leaving, guess what happened it went to %9.6, then I played another 9.4%. So you can guess that I have to do 5 games for every whole percent I need to get down. I need to lose %5 so lets do some more basic math

5*5 = 25

Now lets see what I got for your formula:

20*5 = Total_Games_Required = 100

#_Games_To_Play = 100 - 50 = 50

If I were to play 50 more games without leaving my leave percentage would be 0%.

That shows double the amount if you got this formula from the actual HoN game then it would show up correctly, but their formula is also incorrect I guess some companies do not know how to create formulas, or are just trying to make money, any ways hope you realize this is incorrect.

The function 1/x never reaches 0, it approaches 0 as x goes to infinity.

Also, the function 1/x is not linear so your assumption is invalid. Since you rounded off to 2 decimal places, the approximation is valid for small values of x in our function we're using, however as you get higher values of x you'll see this model is inaccurate.

Yes, I realize 1/x is not the exact equation I used but it is a multiple of it. In case you're wondering which function I am referring to as a model of 1/x, it is this:

(#_Leaves)/(Total_Games_Played) , under the assumption #_Leaves remains constant and Total_Games_Played is a natural number.

So just use the function I gave you. And learn high school math.

[startrees]

That made me laugh

5% of 100 is for sure 0 :)
i know i realized my mistake their but if you look at the rest of it it makes sense i would have 2.5%

[startrees]

Forget 5th grade Math, think he needs to go back to 3rd grade math, to learn the difference between half and double.

I honestly thought this could be a troll, until I re-read that statement.. In this case the poster I think is just fail at math.

Look at it again... I lose .2% for every game I play and this pattern goes up as I play more games without losing so there is no way I have to play 50 games to become a none leaver, also it is double the amount of games I would have to play.

[Vahn]

It this situation there is no simple pattern, it does not go down by .2% every game you play and every game you play the amount that it lowers by reduces slightly.

[startrees]

It this situation there is no simple pattern, it does not go down by .2% every game you play and every game you play the amount that it lowers by reduces slightly.

that makes no sense because it does reduce by .2% every game...

[Vahn]

No it doesn't.
If you have 5 leaves and 50 games then that is 5/50=0.1 leaves, which is 10% in decimal form. Play one game and its 5/51=0.098039 or 9.8039%, two games 5/52=0.09615 or 9.615%
We get to ten games and it's 5/60=0.08333 = 8.33%.
twenty games and its 5/70=0.07142 =7.142%

There is no pattern of .2% loss per game.

[ElementUser]

The function 1/x is not linear.

That's all you really need to know. You're assuming it's linear OP.

I already posted my thoughts on assumptions you can make on when our particular function is linear.

[man_guy]

i know i realized my mistake their but if you look at the rest of it it makes sense i would have 2.5%

Please show your work. :) By showing the 9.8, 9.6, 9.4, we could tell how you were getting to the wrong conclusion. You cannot have 2.5% leaver until you have played at least 200 games (5/200 assuming you still have your 5 original leaves).

[Mankrik]

Why did anyone respond o.O

Much less s2 staff! Some kid says "lol they'z dumb check out my math" and gets like a full page of patient replies while he continues to ignore reason...

I particularly enjoyed the assertion that S2 would fudge their numbers because they're "just trying to make money." Because the only way that would make sense is if people would rather reset their stats than play enough leaver-friendly games to get back below the threshold. That anyone would be so silly as to both leave a multitude of games *and* pay an extraordinary amount of money to get away with it is almost too horrifying to be comical. Almost.

[Yukari]

this is incorrect... this is half as much as the games need to play. For example

I have played 50 games and left 5, so I have a %10 leave. Now lets do some 5th grade math. I played another game with out leaving my leave percent went to %9.8. Then I played another game without leaving, guess what happened it went to %9.6, then I played another 9.4%. So you can guess that I have to do 5 games for every whole percent I need to get down. I need to lose %5 so lets do some more basic math

5*5 = 25

Now lets see what I got for your formula:

20*5 = Total_Games_Required = 100

#_Games_To_Play = 100 - 50 = 50

If I were to play 50 more games without leaving my leave percentage would be 2.5%.

That shows double the amount if you got this formula from the actual HoN game then it would show up correctly, but their formula is also incorrect I guess some companies do not know how to create formulas, or are just trying to make money, any ways hope you realize this is incorrect.

And if you play 100 games after that, your leave percentage will be -2.5%

[Spikelema]

50 games with 5 leaves is 10%.
100 games with 5 leaves is 5%.
200 games with 5 leaves is 2.5%.
300 games with 5 leaves is 1.5%.
400 games 1.2%.
500 games 1%.

See how as you go the gap decreases.


Using your Example. -.2
You would eventually lose all your leaves and go into negative leavers.

[startrees]

Ok I apologize I was wrong, I feel really stupid now

[ElementUser]

Your edited post is still wrong though, if you have 5 leaves and have 50 games, then you need a total of 100 games to get 5% leave (5/100 = 0.05)

And 100 - 50 = 50 is the correct # of games required.

[ElementUser]

Updated with leave thresholds.

So my formula only holds for > 100 games played