I might get flamed but....

[doppelstern]

Playing support in 1500-1600'ish games is awesome! Since no one will, and most certainly no one in the other team, pick a support. Playing support is plain awesome and gives your team a clear edge over the other team.
I've played around 10 games in a row now as a support, won every single time. Sure, my kdr is steadily falling, my wards/game are increasing while my xp/min and gold/min are falling but my psr is at least rising again.

Yes, I know I suck so my opinion might not be a valid one. But the support role is a very good way of increasing the chance of winning the battle in a low psr pub game.

So what's your opinion, is it a good idea to go support in these types of games?

[Rordarok]

This tactic can be valid. The only problem is that most of the people playing 'support' have no clue what to do, and therefore actually fail the lane.

[doppelstern]

This tactic can be valid. The only problem is that most of the people playing 'support' have no clue what to do, and therefore actually fail the lane.

To do: giving kills to carry when able, placing wards at strategic spots, denying, making sure to help def all lanes etc.

Am I right?

[Phase1Skeith]

True on the one side, on the other side you will have a whole bunch of games where you just awesomly farm your carry, gank all lanes successfully and still lose due to your carry going full-overconfidence-mode. Or is just bad by nature.
I did it too, I know what I'm talking about. :P

[doppelstern]

True on the one side, on the other side you will have a whole bunch of games where you just awesomly farm your carry, gank all lanes successfully and still lose due to your carry going full-overconfidence-mode. Or is just bad by nature.
I did it too, I know what I'm talking about. :P

True true, but one can at least try to convince the lowest psrguys not to pick carries. Also I found it way easier to ask for ganks when i have warded their forest. And picking a support like polly you can almost always count on getting that lanes tower as well as performing a sucessful gank.

I must say that since I started playing support Ive found it to be almost the most enjoyable role to play (back in the days of semi-comp dotaplay I loved being the initiator, alas now I suck and spend too much time on my studies).

[Sauron`]

I'll say this once and ill say it again.
Playing Support is not an excuse for Bad K/D or lots of deaths.

I play almost purely support and end up positive (or at least even) on 95% of the games.

[doppelstern]

I'll say this once and ill say it again.
Playing Support is not an excuse for Bad K/D or lots of deaths.

I play almost purely support and end up positive (or at least even) on 95% of the games.

Ofc, but for that I need to improve my gameplay. :)

[pwlloth]

I'll say this once and ill say it again.
Playing Support is not an excuse for Bad K/D or lots of deaths.

I play almost purely support and end up positive (or at least even) on 95% of the games.

~.73kdr 4.7average deaths

is that bad?

[xpinchx]

Can be risky but I enjoy it as well. Last night I randomed andro and did a good job pulling our lane for our dark lady, and I had our whole jungle triple stacked by like 5 mins. At about 15 mins I went to stack again and saw all the stacks were still there. I told tdl about the stacks and he says "what's your point?" -_-

she ended the game with an iron shield and a life tube. Luckily they had a scrub playing scout and me and our devoured raped. Without stealing any kills or farming any lanes except for pushing. I ended up with striders; power supply, push staff, and a dancing blade. I also kept wards up and tried to counter ward but they never had any wards up lol.

[doppelstern]

Is it just me or is the equivalent of andro (Shendelzar Silkwood the Vengleful Spirit) less prone to being played as a hard carry?
In Pub dota you see Andro almost always being played as a mega carry due to the command aura. Whazzup wit dat?

[pife55]

i only play support when i know my team is competant. I cannot tell you how many times ive played a support hero, done everything right, and lose because our carry builds retarded items and/or is just plain bad.

[DemoniWaari]

i only play support when i know my team is competant. I cannot tell you how many times ive played a support hero, done everything right, and lose because our carry builds retarded items and/or is just plain bad.


This sucks so much. I have absolutely nothing against playing support but it just plan sucks that you can't do anything really after 15min by yourself, you NEED to rely on your team mates.

[Eizekiel]

But they rely on you early game.
And while the game goes on, they rely on you by giving them map control/awarness by winning the ward battle, allowing your team to gank and escape from them !

Things already said a lot of time...

And if you feel useless as the game goes on, just know that if you're carry is farmed, if you're mid won his lane (by having runecontrol, for being quick), it's almost due to you !

Eizekiel, support player since always.

[chaRx]

I'll say this once and ill say it again.
Playing Support is not an excuse for Bad K/D or lots of deaths.

I play almost purely support and end up positive (or at least even) on 95% of the games.

Then you're not giving your carry all the kills
Then you're not sacrificing your own life to save your carry
Then you're taking away farm from the carry for your own benefit

[DemoniWaari]

But they rely on you early game.
And while the game goes on, they rely on you by giving them map control/awarness by winning the ward battle, allowing your team to gank and escape from them !

Things already said a lot of time...

And if you feel useless as the game goes on, just know that if you're carry is farmed, if you're mid won his lane (by having runecontrol, for being quick), it's almost due to you !

Eizekiel, support player since always.


This is true. Though I can't even remember how many times I've stacked, warded and harassed the **** outta the enemy lane, and still they seem to wander out of place and get killed, they can't lasthit etc. You know where I'm getting with this.

It's great to play support and your carry KNOWS what to do. Just so epic to watch your TDL clear five fully stacked creep stacks and having runed rift4 shrunken at the 30min mark.

[Suture]

I dont flame fellow supporters, but I can tell you that in the long run, you will start losing games.

My KD went as low as 0.52kd because of the following :

You harass and push the enemy back, the player you are with decides to be defensive (idiot)
You ward and stack creeps, your friends STILL get ganked because apparently they didnt see them coming (despite pings, words and wards)

All in all, supporting a bad player will turn your support game bad. Ive given kills to carries, Ive ran in to suicide just to let the carry live, but unless you play with a good carry they just call you a feeder.

At the same time Ive gotten alot of positive response from good carries, seeing how we never have a ward issue when Im support. Im always doing the extra bit for the team, warning, healing, share pots, counterward if I see them place a ward.

Ive even bought Abyssal Skull on Shaman/Glacius, to boost their damage while they go pure damage items.

My favourite is Glacius in the Legion woods, you can doublestack 3 creepspots during the same minute. Saves me some time.

Pro tip : When you play support alone and come across a really good carry. Talk to him, join his games and just keep supporting. Ive started doing some carry games and a good support is worth gold (18-4 with pesti last game because our plague was an all star supporter)

[yoonie]

Then you're not giving your carry all the kills
Then you're not sacrificing your own life to save your carry
Then you're taking away farm from the carry for your own benefit


This. Sometimes I maintain a nice KDR on ppl like VJ or plague, simply because the other team is too retarded to split on plague ult or dies from curse, but otherwise, I almost always end up with a kdr below 1 playing support. Body blocking for the carry, letting them last hit etc. adds up a lot. Also, wardwhoring doesnt leave you with a lot of hp (unless you're stealing ck from the carry, which is another problem), so you're prone to stuff like dw ults.

[PrestonLee]

It's great when you get one of your allies super farmed beyond belief and you yourself know it was thanks to you.

It sucks though when you get one of your allies super farmed beyond belief and then he gets scared of dying and only comes in after all of you died to try and clean up, and bails early when he's almost about to die to save his precious 1.2 KDR, then you complain for him not being there and he calls you a noob and flames you for feeding and makes other derogatory statements with little relevance, and after a few cycles of this he proceeds to afk behind the fountain when he feels the game is lost (and it is lost because your carry isn't playing anymore).


Then you're not giving your carry all the kills
Then you're not sacrificing your own life to save your carry
Then you're taking away farm from the carry for your own benefitRaped.

[chaRx]

On top of that, if you play a proper support, thus being underlevel'd n very fragile because of that, you'll be the prime target in every teamfight since in pubs everybody goes ZOMGMUSTKIEL800HP WITCH WHO CARES ABOUT THAT FA PUMPING OUT DPS *eats blazing strike & deadwood punch n dies while carry proceeds to genocide them after*

[pwlloth]

i always enjoy getting +armor items on a support vs a team with DW such that i can survive his burst. it makes me laugh to see him waste his spells on me and not even kill me.

[PrestonLee]

i always enjoy getting +armor items on a support vs a team with DW such that i can survive his burst. it makes me laugh to see him waste his spells on me and not even kill me.Yeah, what's funny is :PlatedGreaves::RingOfTheTeacher: is usually more than enough to counter his ulti's effectiveness unless he got horribly over-leveled because some other nab on your team fed him. :)

[doppelstern]

Yeah, what's funny is :PlatedGreaves::RingOfTheTeacher: is usually more than enough to counter his ulti's effectiveness unless he got horribly over-leveled because some other nab on your team fed him. :)

Imagine a 1380 psr guy insisting going mid with something like MQ och FA...

[Geronnymo]

This tactic can be valid. The only problem is that most of the people playing 'support' have no clue what to do, and therefore actually fail the lane.

This. The problem is if you "missplay" a carry type hero your still going to be stronger then a "missplayed" support type hero at some point in the game. But as long as you do the very basics like gettin wards, not taking ck from carry and doing a little bit of harrasment to actually allow your carry gettin cks, you will have a very big edge over the other team where 2 carries fights for the farm.


I'll say this once and ill say it again.
Playing Support is not an excuse for Bad K/D or lots of deaths.

I play almost purely support and end up positive (or at least even) on 95% of the games.

Im going to say that you either not play full support (f. e. MSI usually has Bot and Nova take support roles but Nova plays the full support/ward***** and Bot plays semisupport/ganker style, so Nova ends up 1/10 and Bot 10/6), or you dont play support properly or you roflstomp your opponents from the very beginning in every game.

I dont think that there is any way you end up with a positive KD on average as a properly played support against equally good opponents.

[Linkness]

I only play support if our carry is better than me. Period.

[PrestonLee]

I only play support if our carry is better than me. Period.That. Best advice ever. :)

[KinGKoCk23]

What is A support? Someone that harasses the enemy heroes and prevent them from able to farm and gain gold and deal out kills on your "carry" or teammates. Or is A support someone who last hits creeps and prevent their own carry from allowing to gain gold and farm and with that the support getting kills rather than the carry? WELL, not the last one, for sure...right? But at the top-tier level of HoN play, its the first one, but in your case, it can go either way.

-Cheerios.

[WigglyFace]

Ideally a good support ends at something like 1/1/10 or 3/3/12. even 1.0 KD with a metric pantsload of assists. I also <3 supporting, especially with a really solid carry player on your team. The mini-game of warding and counterwarding is a great dimension to the game when there's a good supporter on the other team as well. OFC my K/D and PSR are shiit b/c of getting bad carries and/or getting ganked a lot due to being 5 levels and 1200 gp behind, but w/e, when you win a game because of good supporting it feels great.

[KinGKoCk23]

A good support is when their deaths are less than their assists. Known fact, trust it to heart plox.

[Yakmeat]

Support is definitely good fun, but not when your team doesn't understand the roll. It's not fun when you are a few levels below and your gold has gone to wards etc. and the team starts raging at you :) Also as people have said in PuB games it is likely that the enemy carries are gonna focus you for an easy kill to improve their kdr and unless your team understands that this gives them a chance to kill the carry and do some serious damage it can be very annoying.

[biscuit5]

I gotta respect support players. Started playing much more support when matchmaking started and it's a lot of fun and a lot of work.

[Pwn]

True true, but one can at least try to convince the lowest psrguys not to pick carries. Also I found it way easier to ask for ganks when i have warded their forest. And picking a support like polly you can almost always count on getting that lanes tower as well as performing a sucessful gank.

I must say that since I started playing support Ive found it to be almost the most enjoyable role to play (back in the days of semi-comp dotaplay I loved being the initiator, alas now I suck and spend too much time on my studies).

Polly is NOT a support.

[papwned]

I'll say this once and ill say it again.
Playing Support is not an excuse for Bad K/D or lots of deaths.

I play almost purely support and end up positive (or at least even) on 95% of the games.

unless your score is 0/0/>9000

the excuse would be that the support player lets the carry take the kills

[bassically]

Why would you expect to get flamed? Support is pretty much the only viable role in the 1500 bracket. The average team consists of 1 support player and 4 retards biting each others' faces over hero and creep kills.

[MrBigHuge]

I'll say this once and ill say it again.
Playing Support is not an excuse for Bad K/D or lots of deaths.

I play almost purely support and end up positive (or at least even) on 95% of the games.


UR DOING IT RONG.

QED: Away`

[shibbidydoo]

If i have a glacius go 0/8/33, ill high five him. I dont give two donkey willies if he has a 1:8 kdr, he played right.