Matchmaking Testing 12/17

[Konran]

We're planning on testing Matchmaking tonight around 10:15 PM EST. We hope to see you all in-game!

[Bully]

FIRST

[Leery]

1st thanks

[CodexLvScout]

First page.

[DarK_OmEgA]

Oh yay! Matchmaking tomorrow guys or the next day! SCORE we dont have to wait too long

[Dissmaster]

Okay...so just add 8-10 hours to your estimated time and that is when it will really be tested.

[`fAntom]

damnit, i was planning on going to the bar tonight

[fReShFLy]

WOOOO

[G3rard]

FINALLY

[Jeroz]

another hour left?

[Pylons]

First page and **** yeah!

[Cawk]

How long will it be up for?

[Serenikill]

Nice, who is Konran!?!?!?!

[MrBojangl3s]

good news

first page

[znn]

Nice.

[korDen]

Great! Count me in!

[Ferg`]

don't think it will take too long this time since matchmaking did well the last test... hopefully...

[FreshM]

3:30 am here ... great time for testing ...

[ZP]

Hopefully it ends up being a longer test this time around :o

[Seventy4]

how many hours left until 10:15 in EST?
(in germany gmt+1 its 3:30 how long do i have to wait?)

[DayFly]

Yey it starts 4.15 am in germany.
My plan for now was to sleep. Damn im tired but...but...**** that!

[Italysenna]

I wanna test it :D

[Kriminalx]

Good news indeed!

[KaNeaS]

What time is that for UK?

[Acren]

Should be about 36 minutes from now

[stat1ck_]

what time for portugal ? searched internet but didnt find the answers :|

[lsdafjkl`sd]

Ahhhh so drunk already. Girlfriend wont let me play.

[htns]

what time for portugal ? searched internet but didnt find the answers :|

:blac:

[Brishen]

We're planning on testing Matchmaking tonight around 10:15 PM EST. We hope to see you all in-game!

I won't be back till 11pm est :(

[Metalelf]

YAY time for more coins!

[DayFly]

For all who want to know.


U have to wait about 32 minutes!

[DoctorZ]

darn it again this late oh well mm has to wait again for me .... sniff

[Falcao9]

what time for portugal ? searched internet but didnt find the answers :|

+5 hours

[KillerSOS]

Should be nice :)

[Altaer]

I feel bad for the guys having to work this late. Though I do want MM, go home, it's Friday night!

[tukkez]

im bad with time zones, how many hours left ? ;o

[Gencon]

Do you think the Europe problem is fixed? or should we check that for ourselves? :)

[Altaer]

im bad with time zones, how many hours left ? ;o

25 minutes

[Yukari]

SBT swindle team is a GO

[Alhanalem]

You can count on it. :p

[DrRisan]

Yey it starts 4.15 am in germany.
My plan for now was to sleep. Damn im tired but...but...**** that!

You are not the only one, S2 is keeping me awake. Oh well, it's vacation time :D!

[KaNeaS]

Tomorrow i wanted to do lot of things and... i must sleep now.. but i cant... i hate u! :S

[PunisheR_`]

I'm loving it just woke up 2pm find out matchmaking is coming makes my day.

[Overlord3k]

"around" hopefully true well It is a weekend now so even better.

[pablofsi]

thank you S2 for the free skins we love you, we worship you

why not leave match making active till tomorrow night and just take the first two hours of logs into account for your tests?

[fabulousramp]

<3 Konran

[chapy]

starts in a little over 2 hrs from now, for those euro's too lazy to figure it out :P

[DayFly]

Is it possible to disable maliken fast? yeah im serious otherwise we will have him in every mm game now cuz of greedy i want coins kids.

For all who dont know. The new skin is bugged and when u use ur ultimate ur invis (even for the player^^).


You are not the only one, S2 is keeping me awake. Oh well, it's vacation time :D!
Yeah mate. But still i am tired an will suck in every game, prolly. :rolleyes:



starts in a little over 2 hrs from now, for those euro's too lazy to figure it out :P

U FAILED

[HighTymes]

Question: Do we have to log in / back out for the Match Making option to become clickable once it's active? Or will it just happen in front of my eyes? I think I'm developing a bonner.

[PashaB]

ahhhh so drunk already. Girlfriend wont let me play.

hey everyone, this guy has a girlfriend!

[korDen]

starts in a little over 2 hrs from now, for those euro's too lazy to figure it out :P

It starts in 10 minutes: http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/time-zone/usa/eastern-time/

[Drizzle]

hey everyone, this guy has a girlfriend!
Hey everyone, this guy spent money on a blue shield

[DayFly]

hey everyone, this guy has a girlfriend!

I prefer to watch "2 girls 1 cup" instead to have a girlfriend.

[Froschbein]

I prefer to watch "2 girls 1 cup" instead to have a girlfriend.

nasty... ;)

[korDen]

Hey everyone, this guy spent money on a blue shield


Hey everyone, this guy is jealous

[Drizzle]

Hey everyone, this guy is jealous

Hey everyone, a white is posting

[Cawk]

Any chance you want to keep MM enabled for more then 4 hours? I'm.. "stuck" at my GF's 'till 2:00 AM EST. :D

[Cristiaan]

Page 3 is the best page so far

[VanZaiden]

Time for some MM
EF YES !

[DayFly]

Any chance you want to keep MM enabled for more then 4 hours? I'm.. "stuck" at my GF's 'till 2:00 AM EST. :D

Haha
http://skepticalteacher.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/pwned-facekick.jpg

[KaNeaS]

Hope u dont close it again.. i want to play tomorrow and more and more...

[Blue_Kitten]

We're planning on testing Matchmaking tonight around 10:15 PM EST. We hope to see you all in-game!

crap....

[Sheriff]

oh s2 you and your use of the word "around"

[Gencon]

damn :p 1 minute past

[Jonanin]

it's :16 where' my matchmaking...:(

[eXit``]

see u guys in 8 hours:bubb:

[Drizzle]

Lies! Liiiiieeeeeeeeeeeeessssssssssssssss!

[Brocolli]

Last time the test was only 12 hours late....just saying.

[Ferg`]

:madm:????

[pablofsi]

17, lawl

seriously, learn to wait kids

[Tim]

zomg it's 10:16 late!!

[Brocolli]

18 wtf

[Sheriff]

gonna wait for :19 to post to prove how retarded I am

[Thysios]

Zomg s2 you're late i want my money back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jonanin]

it's 19

[Pylons]

Please look at my account icon for how am i feeling.

[Ferg`]

This = S2

http://i900.photobucket.com/albums/ac203/OrangeMelodyS/tumblr_l4tbygfWwW1qzlvyio1_500.jpg

[Yunak]

20. phew. lies.

[DayFly]

Trolling S2 wont help!

Go and watch "2 girls and 1 cup"

[RobinEA]

Naaaooow!!! :dd:

[Jonanin]

21. :|

[Popkarma]

3:30 am here ... great time for testing ...


"Sorry...lets cater to our huge audience in Bavaria and work when we are all sleeping....."

[PunisheR_`]

21 :0

[DietCoke]

Probably a short delay because they don't want invis mali screwing everyone over.

[GaDr]

22 D:

[TaylorSwift_]

22 yeah! waiting for 23

[DayFly]

Probably a short delay because they don't want invis mali screwing everyone over.

alt mali skin is disabled

[Hurfdurf]

S2 would fit in well in the drug dealing community.

[TaylorSwift_]

well time to play minecraft since Matchmaking is not up LOL

1v1 minecraft anyone?

[Jonanin]

23 >:(

[Ferg`]

S2 would fit in well in the drug dealing community.

S2 heroin... sounds good to me

[PunisheR_`]

24 ;0

[tryhard_blue]

need MM soon.

[BUSY]

well time to play minecraft since Matchmaking is not up LOL

1v1 minecraft anyone?

Mid only.

[TittyNipples]

THEN WHO WAS 10:15?!
:madm:

[KillerSOS]

23 >:(

everyone here knows what a clock is....

[`theAnswer]

hon has delayed...... for other reasons

[PunisheR_`]

10 Minutes late OMG GIVE ME MY MONEY BACK

[Kingfisher]

Wheaaaaaan

[TaylorSwift_]

everyone here knows what a clock is....

HEY 25

[Flawless]

25.. :)

[Yukari]

Oh look its up

[Searion]

YEAAAAAAA!

[TaylorSwift_]

Wow its working! Trolollolololol

[Gencon]

up up! :D

[Gencon]

europe still not working? :s

[tsunami70875]

yes, it's working!

[Feediculous]

http://sadpanda.us/images/314901-08UCHCX.jpg

[Schirokko]

<-creating a bunch of "useful" faillogs once again.
*yawn*

[Too`EaSy]

I've been eagered to play matchmaking, but my leaver percentage is high and it doesnt let me. Can leavers play matchmaking? If not why?

And how can i lower my leaver percentage?

Thank You!

:Brutalizer:

[HenryOes]

Wow apparently i cant do matchmaking... i have leaver status from when my pc was crashing all the time..... sadface

[Wraiven]

Sucks they turn it on as I have to leave. Oh well, maybe if I am lucky it'll be up tomorrow morning! (doubt it!)

[N_iggz]

I've been eagered to play matchmaking, but my leaver percentage is high and it doesnt let me. Can leavers play matchmaking? If not why?

And how can i lower my leaver percentage?

Thank You!

:Brutalizer:

Play a lot more games...And stop leaving them of course

[MackysWorld]

will matchmaking stats be reset after it officially goes up?

[quebon_]

matchmaking is bullshit,i just try to play and one of my team dc for fun and its 4v5 ,so we lose a game ,this ****ing matchmaking is for noob and hon suck hard in this matchmaking system.
playing with leave and i lose psr from them fu matchmaking

[The_Ghost]

matchmaking is bullshit,i just try to play and one of my team dc for fun and its 4v5 ,so we lose a game ,this ****ing matchmaking is for noob and hon suck hard in this matchmaking system.
playing with leave and i lose psr from them fu matchmaking
just won a game where a teammate dced. Took his codex and owned as pyro. One shotted their whole team.

[YsoyRebelde]

i have 5.1 leaver percent

****.

[Zpredator]

300
ping
from
Australia
I
Hate
You
S2 </3

[Daedrin]

Hmmm...Go to club....or farm goblin coins....?

[DonCaramello]

are u serious? at least tell us before if stats will be recorded.. last tiem they werent - so i hope this piece of sh*** will get reseted after testing phase..
especially with the "balance" in this game.. they didnt even know hero spells

[RicoMinovo]

got game 5v5 in about 5 seconds, thank you s2, will love to see it when ratings balance out.

[z3rr0Cdn]

matchmaking is great, but i got 10 misserable coins for 70 min or game!! it's really exausting getting coins like this.

[Gimenez]

Solo mm now seems working properly, My first game 23631189 clearly needs more time to mmr balance.

[vexicat]

MM seems to work fine,I say it's time for them to bring it up for good.

[DayFly]

Gj S2 its working perfect for me. Do u rly have to turn it off again since it works?
Anyways going to bed.
Good night, good fight HoN dudes.
May the force be with u.

[CaptainCrack]

Wow the MM is amazing, love the way u see for what u earned coins looks very pretty. Now I remember why I play HoN :) this is one huuuuge step into the right direction, played 3 games now and 0 issues.

[tewL]

working very well actually, two pretty much instant games netting me 16 coins in total :3

[lsdafjkl`sd]

So, ****ing, amazing! Solo MM works beautifully, great game, one of the best ever. KEEP IT FOR GOOD! S2 YOU ROCK!

[htns]

It's amazing. I love how it encourages consecutive matches. Now I can convince my friends to play until 3 AM. :corr:

[LandShark]

Just wondering does your public game rating directly effect your matchmaking Rating?

[discojedi]

MM works spectacularly again. I think it's safe to say you can leave it up for good now. :)

[Tenrai]

Is it possible to make it so that their current psr is calculated in the balance?

[NickJonas]

excuse me ive a problem with matchmaking, i played 3 games with 2 friends in grimm and we dont had anny problem, but now we are 5 and when we create a FoC map we load and it says some like ''A player has left the match'' or something like that, we tested like 10 times and always the same.
Help me Please

Thanks

[TaylorSwift_]

MM is awesome

[G_Force]

300
ping
from
Australia
I
Hate
You
S2 </3

If you downvote USE and EU then you'll only have USW. I normally avg about 250ms on USW. It's not ideal I definately agree there but it is playable....

[Falcao9]

MM is awesome, i got raped by nvr and didzer from PYRO. Nice balance :)

[Romble]

i am getting raped in my games but because ppl want coins they concede in 15 mins.. 1 win and 3 losses-> 24 coins! haha

[relic]

MM is awesome! Works fluently, despited being 7am in here, 45 is the waiting time and it normally triggers about 20 seconds in! Great job.

[ObiTuarY]

just played 4 games and absolutely loved every minute of it

[homghomg1]

Errr im getting upwards of 500 ping on my MM games, although i only thumbs up US West servers in the options, and i usually have around 200 ping in US West public games. It's unplayable. Anyone else experiencing this extra lag?

[freestyler7]

Can you add popularity meter on the maps as well?
Also the estimated time when few people are in queue, is way off.

For example starting a 3v3 @ grimm's, sd & cm in Europe at this time, says less than a minute but i don't think it will ever find a game.

[_dazE]

MM is the best thing that's happened to HoN.

Splendid, really.
http://www.imagicwonders.com/galleries/folk/candids/images/Monocle%20Man.jpg

[relic]

Skill level is kinda meh for now tbh. Hope it will rearrange itself for the better.

[Morgenstern]

Worked perfect. Was nice. Better communication as in publics. Earned almost 30 coins in 3 games (while 1 was a lose).
Keep the good work S2. (:
I knew that you guys make a really good job.

Runs now for nearly 4 hours. Wouldn't i be to tired I would just play the whole time. Hahaha. :>

Btw. funny skins on DW and Keeper.

[theqat]

TMM is awesome :) Still a few bugs to be ironed out; had one game where I (and everyone in my group) got a simple "You were disconnected" message and another where a player dropped (that could be legit). I'm sure TMM PSR will work itself out in time and random pubbies won't have to play vs. EG :)

[ZabatieI]

Hey guys, awesome job with MM.

I filter 3 game modes and 2 server regions!!
I can find games in only 14 seconds!!

3 wins
3 lost

so far
Every game that I win, I gain 13 coins.
My last lost I gain 3 coins.

[esT_aLKA]

Spotless, while there is still some imbalance between the teams, it will settle down when everyone gets to their respective skill levels.

Games are found fast, 10 seconds average for me, and only once a guy dropped while he was loading.

Nice Job.

[Scrubinator]

Because this is a test.. and not the real deal.. maybe loosen up on the leaver restirctions? like 6..7%? me and my brother have been playing games nonstop trying to get to 5.. (Currently at 5.7%) and it seems more beneficiary if you have more people able to matchmake

[esT_aLKA]

Because this is a test.. and not the real deal.. maybe loosen up on the leaver restirctions? like 6..7%? me and my brother have been playing games nonstop trying to get to 5.. (Currently at 5.7%) and it seems more beneficiary if you have more people able to matchmake

There are more than enough people up for testing MM, go lower your leaver % or reset your stats, serves your right for leaving games, grumble grumble...:RunesOfTheBlight:

[otarU]

Pretty good experience , thx S2Games.

[prostitution]

It's frustrating playing 60 minutes, losing one teamfight and then the game, and only getting 2 coins.

I could have just conceded at 15 to get 2 coins, right? Correct me if I'm wrong.

I think it'd be nice if win or lose, coins scaled up a little with the length of the game to give people incentive to actually play the game out. I'm not entirely sure about the best way of accomplishing this, but it feels like you should get more coins from a close game that you barely lost than a game where you got completely stomped.

[ledfingers]

won a couple, lost a couple. it was fun tho. i made 28 coins in 4 games. not sure exactly what is counted and why but nonetheless it was fun. test it again please now!!!!!!

[MiLkShAkEd]

:mora: I've noticed that match making is updated and avaible to play in...
A few of my buddies are in games already playing the game... however i have difficulty joining because it says that match making is unavailable....

I've updated the lastest version... and still nothing...

does anyone know wwhy this may be the case?

[ledfingers]

p.s can you please reset my mm stats? i got a lot of deaths and not so many kills

p.s.s can you please send me 500 gold for testing?

[MoistJuicy]

37 Seconds for MM. Love It.

Only got to play one game though. Can't wait until the release of it.

[freestyler7]

:mora: I've noticed that match making is updated and avaible to play in...
A few of my buddies are in games already playing the game... however i have difficulty joining because it says that match making is unavailable....

I've updated the lastest version... and still nothing...

does anyone know wwhy this may be the case?

They have disabled it for the day.

[finitek]

Where to begin...

I joined a SOLO MM game hoping for an actually balanced game.... And it was not even remotely balanced. What I got was basically a STOMP in the face.

After reviewing the MM stats of the one game that I was able to play. I faced off against a team of 3 1800 players with a team of 4 1200-1300 players (pub stats wise). Solo MM should be more forgiving than it is in its current form.

I am sorry S2 but you should not be permanently recording any MM stats while you are "testing" your new system.

Will there be yet another MM stats reset once the "testing" is complete?

What type of algorithms are you people using to determine balance between teams? Because even based off the old MM PSR ratings, one team had 3 1600+ players while the other team had zero. I dont understand how that consitutes balance.

You are going to end up scaring people away from MM if lowbies end up getting stomped continually into the ground by players who are much more skilled.

I am not upset about losing, but I am concerned that the MM system set up such an obviously lopsided game. I am hoping this was just a fluke of the system, but I am disappointed in my very first MM experience.

[Hsssh]

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

missed it :(

[Thysios]

lol @ phone number appearing in above post.
If you expect your first few Mm games to be perfectly balanced you're an idiot.

[ZabatieI]

In the period that MM was enable, I played 6 games, and with an average of 14 seconds to find a match(1 friend with me , 3 gamemodes vote down and 2 server region vote down).

No bugs, perfect, the balance of skills between players was good too, better than I expected for a semi-reset.

Awesome job S2 games, thx.

[Blaky039]

Looking forward to the next test! really enjoyed this round!

[LoveMeSexay]

It's frustrating playing 60 minutes, losing one teamfight and then the game, and only getting 2 coins.

I could have just conceded at 15 to get 2 coins, right? Correct me if I'm wrong.

I think it'd be nice if win or lose, coins scaled up a little with the length of the game to give people incentive to actually play the game out. I'm not entirely sure about the best way of accomplishing this, but it feels like you should get more coins from a close game that you barely lost than a game where you got completely stomped.

I agree fully. It's been frustrating having incompetent partners who have no idea what they're doing (Even with my psr still being around 1600 MMR), somehow holding the other team off til 60-70 mins, losing, and then receiving 2-3 coins. How am I ever going to reach a purchase? You guys can't expect us to seriously play 60 minute games, get 2 coins, and then be able to actually BUY your store's items....do you? I love the idea of it all, but the coins need to be fixed so that it's actually possible to get more than an item in a month, when you play nearly every day. that ratio just isn't set up right.

Again, I love the game and where you guys are going with it...but fix the coins given or the cost of items... (If you fix cost of items, please give people who bought coins the difference of what we've already bought from the store.)

[Dong]

45 coins earnt in 3 wins, 4 losses.
Awesome quick load times. Nice one S2.
Gonna be a while before I get my hands on any stuff from the goblin shop but that's fine.

[Duvka]

Played 1 game, took me 10 sec to configure what i wanted to play and additional 20 sec to get into a game and play. Can't see what their is to test worked perfectly...

[Shaba]

4 games playeed. mmr seemed to actually be balanced, one my games had about a high 1800s when my team had mid-1800 and low 1700(psr that is) and that was the most imbalanced ive had so far.

i also queued as 5 and fought a team of 5, who would have thought :P

[Triumph`117]

It's matching fast but not matching very evenly. I'm routinely joining games where there's a approximately a 25% difference in MMR +/- for players. This is making solo MM quite a bit of a gamble.

[Neurofo]

Played four fun games! 2 wins 2 losses. Avg connect time was about 30s. I loved it! Only one hiccup, and that was with someone logged right after people started loading, so it kicked us off, other than that it was awesome!

[nivv]

So now its closed again? :(

[Kiwibob]

every game was a walkover by one team or the other, none of them felt balanced

[Maybe]

awesome matchmaking mechanics.
not all games was that even but i think that will balance over the time.
So there was no problem with the mechanic i would like to keep that matchmaking ;D

[wza]

it worked without a hitch release this already let the bird fly out of the nest

[moonmage]

S2, please enable match making permanently! It worked like charm, 7 succesful games in a row! <3

[ZabatieI]

All my games(six total) are pretty well balanced(my MMR is 1590), except for the first game that me and my friend took ''3 Friends 90% EM'' in our team, this was a stomp for the other team.

[Spicktacular]

Alright, I've been on for the match making recently and certainly loving earning the Goblin coins, only a few questions regarding it.
First of all, it seems like the games I play in MM and never 50/50 I can tell from the easy win/lose or the amount of MMR that is gained/lost. I understand that since people join as teams its harder to get 50/50 but some of these match ups are just stupid.
Then secondly, I think there should be other ways to earn goblin coins, things like killing Kongor or tower kills. Plus the only way to get performance based coins are from bloodlust, annihilation or immortal. Blood lust isn't hard to get but the others certainly are, Bloodbaths or scaling coins for double tap, hat trick, quad kill being 2, 3, 4 coins.

[CUXOB]

You said on forums it will be 2:30 EST = 14:30 Est = 8 hours earlier than you make it -.- waited all day for nothing

[Ultraexactzz]

5 matches, 4 of them seemed ok. The fifth was 5 solos (or 5 players, some of whom were friends but didn't acknowledge it or play as if they were friends) vs a set of 4 higher-ranked players (a 75-150 mmr advantage, average) and a solo. They raped face until we got our act together, and we ended up winning - but it seemed fairly imbalanced at the start, and an early concede was on the table.

I can see two coins for a loss being a daunting challenge (if you plan on buying anything), especially after a long-ass game. You have a bonus for a quick win, what if you added a bonus for a long game? Maybe an extra coin at 60 min, another at 75. Might give a team incentive to grind it out and try to force the win.

Very enjoyable evening, ty S2. Hoping you get everything going full-time soon.

[Shaba]

you also get coins for milestones like wards placed, assists and things like that.

[Mic]

73 coins earned in 7 games.

Won 5, lost 2.

I don't see a problem here, this **** is ready to go. People just have to remember it's best for both sides to probably just concede the game around 30 minutes if you're losing pretty badly.

[Ghostly]

Completely agree Spick.

Suggestion:

And I seriously don't think it's that bad.

Winning - 8
Losing - 4

35+ Min Game - 1
55+ Min Game - 2
75+ Min Game - 3

Hatrick - 2
Quad - 5
Anni - 10

Kongor kill - 1

10+ Kills - 2
10+ Assists - 2
20+ Kills - 4
20+ Assists - 4

I mean I understand MM should be "grindy" but seriously 20-25 games should earn you 350-400 coins with a 50% win/loss.

My last game I went 24/4/13 as magmus..... got 8 coins...
3 quadkills
2-3 hattricks

Using the above system I would have earned ROUGHLY 40 coins. Is that really alot for a completely dominant game? It would take 10 of those games to get 1 skin...

[cakeisalie]

Well, loved it now that EU could finally test it <3

[zezoar]

lost 4 games in a row against teams, whatever, it worked so bring it on ..... why shutting it down? u want to avoid us seeinbg bugs? dont worry, seen enough of them, we can take it.

so far i have seen none though in mm, so bring it back online pls

[Asinine]

Played 2 games, got 20 coins, 15K-26A- 20 wards placed in total and won both.

Only had bp and usw/use selected and got games in less than 40 seconds each time. One game had a disconnect, but the transition back into mm was quick.

Overall pleased with the experience, confused a bit on the balancing but I agree it will take time to balance out.

*My main concern like people have previously mentioned is the length of the game has no effect on the amount of coins you get. I played two games lasting about 40min+ each because there's always that carry or tryhard on the other team that won't concede even when the rest of his team wants too.

Could you implement a bonus based on in-game time for example that gives coins for every 10min worth of game played and have it capped out at a certain point? Quick example, 2 coins for every 10min played, capped at 60min mark. Maybe even 1 for every 5min played?

To put the current system in perspective, lets say the average game is 40min and your winrate is 50%. I'm estimating the average coin won per game is 8. Just for a flag (100 coins), you need about 13 games(12.5 to be exact). At 40 min each, your looking at 8 hours and 20min of game time. For something like taunt, you need about 58 hours of gameplay time. I think thats a bit too much...

[phantompain]

24/4/14 and got 8 coins oO not so lucky

[Romble]

Kudos S2.. the loading times are fantastic. Compared to the old system where ppl were loading up to 2.5 mins then dropping and losing games this is far and away amazing. Literally 10-15 sec to load pre assets and another 10 sec to load into the game.. Your programmers have found steroids and is it so good!

[Stryker]

Actually a decent matchmaking experience. Although some games were pretty unbalanced, that's not necessarily your fault.

Fun times.

[Sanji]

I have no idea about even. I've had the most imbalanced games since ... well forever. I had a guy so stupid that after all team begged to pick nymph he went cd then fed non stop all game. Then i get carried by a guy with nh mid 11-0 he was 1850+ psr with 3.5 kdr. I for one think the TSR mod should be implemented ingame. It's realy frustrating to play with ppl under 5 tsr, they always feed, don't help or mock u while u die, don't ward ,etc. and the real problem is 'ALWAYS'.
Then it's the coins problem ... i for one can't even buy em (i've sent already email at customer support). You have to think that those won't be the only skins that will be available or the only announcers. And you already need ~6000 coins for all avatars that means at my rate of 5 games ~30 coins that's about 900h of gameplay to get those. After all the average of a game is 40mins, playing solo where u meet all the scum of the newerth.

... my opinion, you asked for it so here it is!

[Vainamoinen]

Joined MM Today to see what had changed and I was nicely surprised by the new MM UI, with the system of like/dislike and the population playing in each part of the world + in which mod.

The way teams are balanced is a problem atm (because many don t belong to their actual smr) though this will be fixed with time.

And the ending screen recapitulating what points you got duing the match and why is very interesting(the violet thing.

Now when I check last game played on my account it show automatically the last pub game i did , even though i have a MM games after it.
So may be an issue.

And last thing I would like to state is : What the point of the Experience Point? (the violet thing) Does it have some use or? and Maybe put a pop up when you go on the icon to say what's the use of it cause atm I don t see the point of it


Vainamoinen

[Wolfrar]

Completely agree Spick.

Suggestion:

And I seriously don't think it's that bad.

Winning - 8
Losing - 4

35+ Min Game - 1
55+ Min Game - 2
75+ Min Game - 3

Hatrick - 2
Quad - 5
Anni - 10

Kongor kill - 1

10+ Kills - 2
10+ Assists - 2
20+ Kills - 4
20+ Assists - 4

I mean I understand MM should be "grindy" but seriously 20-25 games should earn you 350-400 coins with a 50% win/loss.

My last game I went 24/4/13 as magmus..... got 8 coins...
3 quadkills
2-3 hattricks

Using the above system I would have earned ROUGHLY 40 coins. Is that really alot for a completely dominant game? It would take 10 of those games to get 1 skin...

lmao suck **** 8 coins after that domination. Thats disgusting, this guy should have earned at least 15.

[NerfLol]

So I logged in today to see a nice lil suprise. MM button was finally available :O. Gave it a go and am happy to report the game I played was pretty dam good. Had a whole team who spoke english and weren't complete retards. Can't wait for it to be here to stay :)

[Stan]

I thought it all worked great, but I would gladly sacrifice some wait time in favor of better balance. Also, this won't really be a problem for me in the future since I usually play with 4 friends, but I was really disappointed that I was the highest PSR in all my games. I'm only like 1750 in pubs. I felt like I was babysitting the whole time. (constantly having to tell people to buy wards and where to place them and the like).

[Doinkmoo]

Are MM stats going to stay after this "beta" of it are done?

[KingReaper]

Joined MM Today to see what had changed and I was nicely surprised by the new MM UI, with the system of like/dislike and the population playing in each part of the world + in which mod.

The way teams are balanced is a problem atm (because many don t belong to their actual smr) though this will be fixed with time.

And the ending screen recapitulating what points you got duing the match and why is very interesting(the violet thing.

Now when I check last game played on my account it show automatically the last pub game i did , even though i have a MM games after it.
So may be an issue.

And last thing I would like to state is : What the point of the Experience Point? (the violet thing) Does it have some use or? and Maybe put a pop up when you go on the icon to say what's the use of it cause atm I don t see the point of it


Vainamoinen

vaina <3

btw, i dont have MM enabled, still greyed out? :(

[whiiTee]

it was a very good experience, hope to see it working tomorrow :)

[WiLL]

I agree fully. It's been frustrating having incompetent partners who have no idea what they're doing (Even with my psr still being around 1600 MMR), somehow holding the other team off til 60-70 mins, losing, and then receiving 2-3 coins. How am I ever going to reach a purchase? You guys can't expect us to seriously play 60 minute games, get 2 coins, and then be able to actually BUY your store's items....do you? I love the idea of it all, but the coins need to be fixed so that it's actually possible to get more than an item in a month, when you play nearly every day. that ratio just isn't set up right.

Again, I love the game and where you guys are going with it...but fix the coins given or the cost of items... (If you fix cost of items, please give people who bought coins the difference of what we've already bought from the store.)

Yeah for long epic games like that coinage needs a slight increase.

You could lose 2-3 and 15-20minute games for ~6 coins
But then again in the same time you would Win Loss Win = ~15-20

I think a 60minute+ game should get ~5 coins.

You should be rewarded for good play if both teams are good and can hold out for a long period of time. In the end the amount of coins you get is depended on how long you play for anyway.

[Drewknukem]

+1 for the bonus for long games.

Also, I think you guys need to be a little more realistic. Right now everyone is running around with retarded MMRs and TMMRs because of the broken system before they made these changes, and nobody caring before. Do you really expect it to balance out in 2 TESTING sessions of about 2 hours? Not likely. Until then you're going to get (roflstomped, nubs on my team, d/cs, <enter normal HoN qq here>, no support, carry tower diving a deadwood, etc.)

In the long run, Will your PSR is 1800. What's your MMR? 1661 as of right now as I post this. If you're 140 psr below where you normally play, even if it's a different league, of course you're going to feel like your team is useless and moronic. It would be like me playing with a 1500 (I have no idea where my psr should be, it goes up and down as I play with friends who suck because I prefer to play with people I have fun with than take things srs. Troll me bros. I can take it).

It'll balance and those 59034590 minute games will have less noobs. If you really can't stand them, find a buddy, go to Grimm's, and then unless your pub straight up feeds constantly by running into their well (in my experience most pubs aren't THAT annoying) you'll be fine, and it'll end fast.

EDIT: My edits were just a redo of this post since I posted to the guy on the first page. Herp derp.

[Drewknukem]

Are MM stats going to stay after this "beta" of it are done?

Yes. This isn't beta. (Cata PTR anyone?) This is just functionality testing. They're more focused on their servers than you (which I guess paradoxically is them caring about your experience).... so in short, no, they just gave you a stat reset for MM. Why would they do another?

[parakeith]

I don't get the "short game bonus." Won't a bitter losing team just sit and wait another 10-15 minutes so you don't get the coins? Why reward shorter games when longer games are more difficult to win?

edit: I guess rewarding longer games will result in that "never concede" mentality, though. I'm not sure how to balance the amount of coins in relation to length to stop griefing either way.

[WamZlay]

I´m to late to test again :`(

[True`Hero]

Is it seriously over again? I missed it AGAIN?!?!?

Allow me to describe my anguish.


FFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU UUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I seriously dont even wanna play tonight anymore... Goodnight.

[Drewknukem]

I don't get the "short game bonus." Won't a bitter losing team just sit and wait another 10-15 minutes so you don't get the coins? Why reward shorter games when longer games are more difficult to win?

edit: I guess rewarding longer games will result in that "never concede" mentality, though. I'm not sure how to balance the amount of coins in relation to length to stop griefing either way.

Regardless of how they change the coin / time thing... greifers gonna greif. Somebody is going to find some way to piss you off using the mechanics of the coin system. But at the end of the day, you get some amount of coins which is more than you got before 2.0. So just be satisfied with that and send the greifers on their way. Let trolls be trolls and then proceed to deadwood punch them. IRL, of course. :dead:

[spricas]

WHERE IS LITHUANIA FLAG ? ffs one of baltic countries Estonia is there but where is Latvia and Lithuania ?

[zezoar]

seriously do they even listen to what community wants? i payd for a game with matchmaking (it was promised since beta), and now that they announce the matchmaking they still do testing?!?!? i mean what did they do before 2.0 ?! only funny halloween skins?

imo just put it on and let there be some bugs till next patch or sth., ppl will more appreciate having matchmaking than losing 1or2 psr due to bugs, which is the only thing someone would cry for.

[CoachmcGurk]

mm games lagged and got progressively worse as game play went on. Same with public games also

[Mrork]

Any information when mm starts again ?

[SAAANCHIPS]

like all the comments before, i lagged really badly (over 200/300 ping) in each game.. and failed miserably in both games....

[entc]

seriously do they even listen to what community wants? i payd for a game with matchmaking (it was promised since beta), and now that they announce the matchmaking they still do testing?!?!? i mean what did they do before 2.0 ?! only funny halloween skins?

imo just put it on and let there be some bugs till next patch or sth., ppl will more appreciate having matchmaking than losing 1or2 psr due to bugs, which is the only thing someone would cry for.
Are you aware of that you've had MM a while now? Although not TMM it has still been in there, maybe not as good as the new MM but still. And i, like many others are glad to wait these final days with testing so we get a flawless matchmaking system.

About S2 not listening to the community:
People wanted more female heroes. Oh, look! Female glacius, female pyro!
People wanted scorpion magmus. Oh, look! Scorpion magmus!
People wanted to downvote more than one region. Oh, look! Downvote all if you'd like.
S2 listens to the community way more than most other developers.

[WiLL]

Is the amount of coin the exact same for the 3v3 map? Seeing those games end faster if you were just out to earn coin and maybe even psr. Wouldn't you just abuse the shorted play times to get more coins and only play grimms?

I see some people have brought up lag issues, I thought it was just me but I also had terrible ping in game, worse then usual by far.

[Gruselglatz]

Ofc i missed it wating till 0.30 nice... also nice that u are like a 2nd class customer as european... in first test european server just didnt work.... at least for me... for the 2nd test i w8 and w8 noboy announces anything.... next day... "thx for testing" y right.... this seriously sucks... in fact that public games are not funny anymore, knowing that psr stats is worth nuffin... plz make an update on the site ... "2.0 = matchmaking once a day. all u need to do is being 24 hours a day online to be sure u dont miss it".... rly pissed

[Tyrael]

I didn't have any ping issues at all, but I only got to play 3-4 games(all USE). Honestly, I think the system works great. It's fast and efficient but it doesn't really find decent matches for games yet. I guess because everyone's around the same psr range (1550 - 1650) I say this because the first three games I lost because everyone on the other team had around the same MMR but much better PSR. Kind of imbalanced.

I also think coins for losing is pretty low. I only got 2-3 coins per losing games that take up a long and dragging 40-50 minutes. At that rate it'll be 40-50 games before I even get a flag icon. Pretty shallow. On the other hand, I got 14 coins for winning a game, that's double the total amount that I got for losing three games in a row. I also had a friend message me telling me that he got 34 coins for a single game win by going 30-1. That's ridiculous, but well earned and I like that.

Overall, TMM is a great success, but I would like to find better "matches" for our teams as well as get a little more payoff for playing MM, even if I lose. That being said, what's keeping you guys from putting it out fulltime? I really don't notice anything big that should keep players from getting coins all this time. What's the deal?

[DocSmoothJew]

Here's to caring about EU customers. What gives? After 3AM GMT and after 5AM my time. Not cool, although I suppose it does depend on how long you're gonna keep it up. :D

[Blu3]

Idd, EU players would like to get some love as well.....

[PjeYyY]

Idd, EU players would like to get some love as well.....

Agreed, +1

[SoulCrusher]

Cool, stayed up until 3:30 AM and waited for MM, then decided to go to sleep and look if it is online later. Seems like it was online like 30 minutes after I went to bed and went offline before I woke up.

Nice time for Testing for Euros.

[Bambalam92]

this testing time was far too late for all the eu players -.-

[Warzzo]

Seriously S2, SHAPE UP. Can you announce this earlier? really bad style s2, rly.

[KaNeaS]

I went bed SO LATE for play 2 MM games at least before u close it... What time for test was that? OMG:...

And why turn off again? There was no bugs at all...

[X_Raider]

So I missed it again ? :(

[unska]

I missed it too. :<

[Noess]

yeah could you maybe put like set times for EU an Australia please?

[Tarnished]

Went to bed at 1:00am GMT, got up at 10:00am GMT, testing started & finished in that time.. oh well, hope it went well enough that you get it out by xmas..!

[Axas]

WHERE IS LITHUANIA FLAG ? ffs one of baltic countries Estonia is there but where is Latvia and Lithuania ?

THIS. Please add it.

[paysage]

I don't know whether this is already the case, but it seems NOT to be the case in a lot of other matchmaking systems in online games: players entering the queue alone should be prioritized somewhat against other solo players and groups against groups. The individual players having similar reaction times, knowledge of the game, etc., a group that is used to playing with each other is going to beat 5 random people who got thrown in a game together most of the time. In other words, it's a piece of information your system could potentially access that has strong predictive power for team balance.

[ThreeCheeses]

i played 5 games of team match making, and one of solo, it was great. games started so fast, 15-30 sec to find other players, amazing. and i think it will get better once ppl play it more and their player ratings start to vary more from the 1400-1600 range. gj

[Bloodballz]

GJ S2, MM clearly rocks :)
http://www.frumsatire.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/group_clapping-300x300.jpg

[TommyM]

Dead S2

CAN U PLEASE take up Matchmaking when we in Europe DOESNT sleep???

[Micropoint]

nice, ty !

[maRCZ]

Time check, 14:12 CET

[pr4wn3r]

Dead S2

CAN U PLEASE take up Matchmaking when we in Europe DOESNT sleep???


this

[Calcifer]

Stupid *******s S2. Nice job, cut out all of the Europeans who don't want to wait up until 3 in the morning to play... Another fail of epic proportions. I play youre game every fkn day and you always screw me over. By the way your maliken alt hero avatar doesn't have a hero model during ulti...

[Calcifer]

Played 2 games, got 20 coins, 15K-26A- 20 wards placed in total and won both.

Only had bp and usw/use selected and got games in less than 40 seconds each time. One game had a disconnect, but the transition back into mm was quick.

Overall pleased with the experience, confused a bit on the balancing but I agree it will take time to balance out.

*My main concern like people have previously mentioned is the length of the game has no effect on the amount of coins you get. I played two games lasting about 40min+ each because there's always that carry or tryhard on the other team that won't concede even when the rest of his team wants too.

Could you implement a bonus based on in-game time for example that gives coins for every 10min worth of game played and have it capped out at a certain point? Quick example, 2 coins for every 10min played, capped at 60min mark. Maybe even 1 for every 5min played?

To put the current system in perspective, lets say the average game is 40min and your winrate is 50%. I'm estimating the average coin won per game is 8. Just for a flag (100 coins), you need about 13 games(12.5 to be exact). At 40 min each, your looking at 8 hours and 20min of game time. For something like taunt, you need about 58 hours of gameplay time. I think thats a bit too much...


I completely agree with this. I understand that matchmaking is in its infancy but there need to be more coins dished out in games, even more for doing non carry things like warding. Maybe you get 1 coin per ward you buy (not place cos then people will steal wards from couriers in pub games).
It's just crap that you get nearly nothing for losing. I got 2 in my first game cos I was playing with 2 people I didn't know and they lost their lane and fed the enemy carry. Make it more based on individual player stats than on just whether you won or lost (lose = 2 coins, are you joking?)

[ElementUser]

I went to sleep so I didn't get to test it either.

Oh well

[Scavange]

now you're awake :D

[phantompain]

when will be the next test any 1 knows?

[questarey]

EU players are crying, why? at the first MM test it was mostly EU people playing because it was way too late for american people. Now they had it on a different time and american people got more benefit out of it.

Let S2 test whenever they want, MM will be released quite soon anyway and then everyone can play, no need to b*tch about testing times

[Larceny]

Yeh, very tired of the EU whinge about how they were all asleep for this MM test.

SMM works great. Played 2 games with fairly even teams, wait times on average 25 seconds. First game we did have to deal with Cardinal stomping mid with Pebbles, but oh wellz.

Only problem I can see at the moment that others have brought up is coin output seems a bit low for support, at least.

[Kajmer]

MM FTW

[Shockfire]

MM FTW

[Marko]

Havn't played either test. FML. How about keep it on longer than a minute? :>

[DayFly]

I completely agree with this. I understand that matchmaking is in its infancy but there need to be more coins dished out in games, even more for doing non carry things like warding. Maybe you get 1 coin per ward you buy (not place cos then people will steal wards from couriers in pub games).
It's just crap that you get nearly nothing for losing. I got 2 in my first game cos I was playing with 2 people I didn't know and they lost their lane and fed the enemy carry. Make it more based on individual player stats than on just whether you won or lost (lose = 2 coins, are you joking?)

OMG GET MONEY AND BUY STUFF IF U WANT IT SO BADLY.
Srsly do u eveer think about ur suggestions?
Coins for wards.lol bs
Do u know how many will abuse this?

Again S2 the coinsystem is just fine. Dont alter it! And all greedy kids: GTFO

[Eep]

at least 2 of the games I player were severely out of balance as far as smr goes

especially games where people queue as groups

any plan to fix this?

[ARMIT4GE]

coool very nice

[Diablo``]

Damn it, I have 1600 games played but I missed MM both times :(

[nicalobe]

I completely agree with this. I understand that matchmaking is in its infancy but there need to be more coins dished out in games, even more for doing non carry things like warding. Maybe you get 1 coin per ward you buy (not place cos then people will steal wards from couriers in pub games).

You get coins for warding.

GG

[Cubone]

I love what S2 has done with matchmaking! Last night I was with a group of 4 people and we played 4 pretty epic games. We are all in the 1600 PSR range and in one of the games there was a group of 1800's matched up against us and we lost pretty badly but I believe playing groups of better opponents only forces you to get better and learn from your mistakes. I really wish S2 would just leave matchmaking on because I couldn't find a flaw in the system.

Regarding how many coins are given out; I would like to see maybe 5-10 more coins per game given out for different aspects like how long the game lasts (someone said past the 60 min mark?) and individual performance. Other than that I think the matchmaking was a huge success!

[GreatNar]

Is it already over? Second try?
:S