Chronos build

[StorM_Nyra]

I've read several builds but a lot seem to be from lower tier players, i usually carry but tend to take swift a lot and tend to get great scores and win games but now and then im out carried by a MM, chronos or DL so decided its time to take a harder carry. Played him for first time in 6 months or more last night (only playing MMORPG style games since jan last year) and done quite well. Unfortunately plague kill stealed a lot and failed to see that it would effect us later on, especilly as Maliken was getting strong and i'd have to out carry him.

So end game i had steam boots (agility), elder, savage mace, wingbow, demonic and charged hammer, the point of me choosing these (i tend to take demonic/charged quite often) is of course attack speed, with 1500hp i managed to take out a 3k+ hp gauntlet and 3k+ hp maliken with perma stun, even with shrunken enabled. What u guys think of these end items? If someone fancies checking the game out and giving me tips on farming, team fighting etc i'd gladly take it.

StorM_Nyra and its my 2nd latest game, last game i decided to support some 2.8KD player and ill never support again :P

[Pwnmanship]

I've read several builds but a lot seem to be from lower tier players, i usually carry but tend to take swift a lot and tend to get great scores and win games but now and then im out carried by a MM, chronos or DL so decided its time to take a harder carry. Played him for first time in 6 months or more last night (only playing MMORPG style games since jan last year) and done quite well. Unfortunately plague kill stealed a lot and failed to see that it would effect us later on, especilly as Maliken was getting strong and i'd have to out carry him.

So end game i had steam boots (agility), elder, savage mace, wingbow, demonic and charged hammer, the point of me choosing these (i tend to take demonic/charged quite often) is of course attack speed, with 1500hp i managed to take out a 3k+ hp gauntlet and 3k+ hp maliken with perma stun, even with shrunken enabled. What u guys think of these end items? If someone fancies checking the game out and giving me tips on farming, team fighting etc i'd gladly take it.

StorM_Nyra and its my 2nd latest game, last game i decided to support some 2.8KD player and ill never support again :P
What?

Anyway build seems fine, didn't see match but that's kinda the basic Chronos build. I'll maybe check match later and give you some tips.

[StorM_Nyra]

What?


Or whatever this style of game is called :) I love the game but im not a devote follower of everything hon, what style is it? RTS?

[Serris]

MOBA: Multiplayer Online Battle Arena.

It's not really an MMO, and it's not really an RTS. I think it's a pretty new term for an emerging genre

[`shook]

charged hammer and daemonic breastplate would be far inferior to shrunken head and symbol of rage, especially since you have elder parasite.

Attack speed has diminishing returns and with high agility gain and 100 attack speed from elder you were kinda wasting your money.

[MangO_O]

What is the question? O_O?

In any case, I personally think that chronos isn't a top tier carry anymore. He requires just so much money and can be shut down easily in his bubble. And I think i'm not alone on this stance, you rarely see a chrnos in a top player match.

but if you still wanna play him in my opinion:
-> Elder parasite to straight savage mace is an outdated build. Its too much of a glass canon build to work in the current Hon metagame

The probably more viable build these days is to focus a bit on survivability and DMG, people like to get a runed axe to forest farm early.

But this is probably the Chrnos build Id make:
Steamboots -> elder parasite or whispering helm (Id prolly go with whispering these days) -> thunderclaw (for better jungling) -> Hack and slash (yes 2 orbs, I orb swap to lifesteal when Im foresting, teamfights to HnS then to lifesteal when low or not chasing) -> Finnish Charged hammer -> Riftshard/Savage Mace/ wingbow as luxury -> In really late game, if you went with Elder parasite, switch to get a symbol of rage.

In any case you are extremely reliant on jungle farming, Unless you have a free farm lane, I like to go into the jungle really early. Most of the time Ill get a whispering helm before steamboots and straight jungle (generally around 10 min mark) you mind control creeps to help you kill creeps faster

[StorM_Nyra]

Some good tips, i'll try something different next time, whispering helm first anyway...the whole reason i went elder, followed by charged hammer and demonic was ive so much attack speed with time freeze i'd stun whoever im attacking so much that they wouldnt do barely any dmg to me, worked very effectively and in the case of my ult, ive 5 seconds to do as much dmg as i can, increasing attack speed by +100 (elder), +110 (demonic/charged hammer) is crazy

[MangO_O]

^ But note that Attack speed doesnt have a linear scaling system. say difference between 200 and 100 attack speed is not as noticeable as 50-100 attack speed.

[`shook]

Some good tips, i'll try something different next time, whispering helm first anyway...the whole reason i went elder, followed by charged hammer and demonic was ive so much attack speed with time freeze i'd stun whoever im attacking so much that they wouldnt do barely any dmg to me, worked very effectively and in the case of my ult, ive 5 seconds to do as much dmg as i can, increasing attack speed by +100 (elder), +110 (demonic/charged hammer) is crazy
no its not crazy because you would have almost the same exact effect with out the +110 attack speed from daemonic and charged hammer because attack speed has diminishing returns. Sure your attack speed is higher but you spent almost 10k on it (not efficient). What is crazy is activating symbol of rage and going from 10% hp to full in seconds.

I wouldn't replace elder with whispering helm as symbol is a luxury item and is a perfect to get as a last item while elder parasite is most likely part of your core build as it synergizes nicely early game with your skills.

[MrBigHuge]

Chronos builds well with things that require lots of procs during his ulti.
Chronos also needs to not instantly die once the ulti ends.
Chronos also needs to attack faster during his ult (to help with point 1)

Combining these 3 we get:

Steam Boots
Elder parasite
Shrunken Head
Savage Mace
Riftshards
Wingbow

[Taetu]

While i see both both thunderclaw is good and bad I dislike it. I also can see why Runed axe isn't ideal on him but its an item that if I can farm it I'll grab it.

For me ideally, I'd go runed, steam, elder, shrunken, savage, token. Later on when it gets much later, you can replace runed with rift/wingbow. Token is a filler as a TP will be needed as well.

[Angusiasty]

:Steamboots::Puzzlebox::RestorationStone::Daemonic Breastplate:StaffOfTheMaster::BehemothsHeart:

[Dehorn]

:Wingbow: + rewind is too imba to delay for long, imo.

:Steamboots: > :ElderParasite: > :SavageMace: OR :ShrunkenHead: > :Wingbow: > :Riftshards:

[Bwomp]

my personal :chro:

:EnhancedMarchers: > :RunedAxe: > :ElderParasite: > Situational Dmg output item like :Wingbow: :SavageMace: :DaemonicBreastplate or if needed :ShrunkenHead: / :Nullstone:

rly like this build...

pro's:
- :EnhancedMarchers: help chasing / escaping and huge +dmg
- :RunedAxe: helps with any mana issues early on (:Sustainer:)
- :RunedAxe: in bubble splashes many enemies that cant escape
- :ElderParasite: used for IAS (:EnhancedMarchers: + :RunedAxe: => +84 dmg)

con's:
- requires fast :RunedAxe: (22 min at least) or ur too far behind imo
- low survivability (glass hero)
- :EnhancedMarchers: less IAS then :Steamboots:

How to counter the con's?

-his low survivability looks better when maxing out leap / rewind and not stun... since the agi-drain was nerfed anyway, it is not that good anyway. Ofc 1 s stun every 8th hit is good, but the rewind is just MUCH more usefull early on. and with his leap he can escape, which should be available most of the time with :Sustainer:

[Patchurii]

Meh at above. Too much glass cannon imo.
I got Steams -> Whisp Helm -> Firebrand -> BKB to start with.
That gives nice survivability + damage. It lets you hit like a truck, with a nice attackspeed of 1.25/sec by the time you get it. Next item is situational at best, but anything from Rift to Wingbow is good. I'm partial to riftshards cause of the nice build up.

[Bwomp]

Meh at above. Too much glass cannon imo.
I got Steams -> Whisp Helm -> Firebrand -> BKB to start with.

Why?
Ofc that chron build is not the one that has to endure tons of dmg, but thats not the point of chronos. His job is done the best if jumping in enemies catching the worst of them he can in his bubble and then start bringing havoc amongst them.
His low survivability should be countered with 25 % pseudo-evasion early on (yes chronos is a damn luck hero) Other then that:
:Steamboots: (1450) + :WhisperingHelm: (1850) + :Hack: (2200) = 5500 [I've let the :ShrunkenHead: out of the reckoning since this can't be seen as fast and early item... and is partly evolved into my build as well]

Yet my build (:EnhancedMarchers: + :RunedAxe: ) takes about the same gold (:ElderParasite: is not considerated as a CORE super fast early item)
(= 5850)

Compare these two:
You got Lifeleach yet u dont deal nearly as much dmg as with :RunedAxe: and :EnhancedMarchers:, and the leach effect is %... so its not super effective...
Your build got more +amor. yes no question
Your build got higher attack speed, also yes.

but so far so good.

:EnhancedMarchers: they can help you SO MUCH when catching s1!!!!
:RunedAxe: turns every meele hero in a farming machine allowing you to get even faster even fatter.
:RunedAxe: provides you with a HUGE mana reg. bonus which helps chronos SO MUCH!
Therefore i still think that this chronos build outshines most others. Everything else should be situational. pickups...

[Nevyll]

Ghost Marchers, Runed Axe, Puzzlebox, Staff Of The Master, Refresher Stone, then perhaps Codex/Daemonic/Behemoths

[PrestonLee]

Just my opinion but if you're getting Runed Axe but not Parasite, then that's just a fail in itself. No point in getting Runed Axe on Chronos if your attack speed is slow as ufck. Without the Parasite, he doesn't farm fast at all with a Runed Axe, or at least it's no where near as efficient of a pickup than just getting something else.

Don't get Runed Axe if you didn't get Parasite as your first pickup, it's just stupid and you'd be better off grabbing something else that increases survivability or attack speed (or pickups that do both).

Runed Axe just doesn't help you farm faster at all if you didn't get Parasite first; you're just gimping your usefulness to the team to be a "farm 30+ minutes of the game before coming out to own everyone" role.

[yoonie]

Just my opinion but if you're getting Runed Axe but not Parasite, then that's just a fail in itself. No point in getting Runed Axe on Chronos if your attack speed is slow as ufck. Without the Parasite, he doesn't farm fast at all with a Runed Axe, or at least it's no where near as efficient of a pickup than just getting something else.

Don't get Runed Axe if you didn't get Parasite as your first pickup, it's just stupid and you'd be better off grabbing something else that increases survivability or attack speed (or pickups that do both).

Runed Axe just doesn't help you farm faster at all if you didn't get Parasite first; you're just gimping your usefulness to the team to be a "farm 30+ minutes of the game before coming out to own everyone" role.

I agree with this. Elder parasite lets you get pretty good farm in the jungle, or even in lane, and allows you to be useful MUCH earlier than runed axe does. At lvl 6 there are probably gonna be a few squishies around that you can already bubble->elder->asplode solo, and even more that your teammates can destroy with a well placed bubble. Going runed without elder leaves your team going 4v5 for another 15-20 minutes; even though you farm might be better later on, good luck having teammates good enough to survive while you're in farm mode.

[Keris]

After spellshard was introduced in new patch. It make Int hero like Witch slayer and Pyro got a scaling ability to mach the "Below 2k HP" hard carries like chronos at late game (Not that late..like beyond 60 min). I think y better rush for a shrunken head to prevent things like this happend. Just in case

[chaRx]

I've read several builds but a lot seem to be from lower tier players, i usually carry but tend to take swift a lot and tend to get great scores and win games but now and then im out carried by a MM, chronos or DL so decided its time to take a harder carry. Played him for first time in 6 months or more last night (only playing MMORPG style games since jan last year) and done quite well. Unfortunately plague kill stealed a lot and failed to see that it would effect us later on, especilly as Maliken was getting strong and i'd have to out carry him.

So end game i had steam boots (agility), elder, savage mace, wingbow, demonic and charged hammer, the point of me choosing these (i tend to take demonic/charged quite often) is of course attack speed, with 1500hp i managed to take out a 3k+ hp gauntlet and 3k+ hp maliken with perma stun, even with shrunken enabled. What u guys think of these end items? If someone fancies checking the game out and giving me tips on farming, team fighting etc i'd gladly take it.

StorM_Nyra and its my 2nd latest game, last game i decided to support some 2.8KD player and ill never support again :P


Daemonic & Charged on the same hero is stupid. Charged hammer is an item for a magic dmg orientated lineup, Daemonic for physical.

Starting items hatchet/buckler/tangos

Then get the following items:
:Lifetube: -> :Marchers:-> :Sustainer: -> :Steamboots:

In an evenly matched up lane in a pub, you'll get your lifetube by the time you run out of tangos, thus it'll take care of regen problems for the rest of the laning phase. After that you want to get your marchers, then the manatube for the sustainer. The sustainer will allow you to use your skills more frequently without having to base & will allow you take out jungle camps without to much problems. After that finishing your steamboots is the most efficient thing to do.
(also, while Ghost Marchers might be a better DPS increase combined with the EP you get later, Chronos has terrible hp gain, thus making Steamboots kinda necisarry to prevent being instagibbed).

Next up: Finish :Runed Axe:

There are alot of different opinions regarding Runed Axe on Chronos, but I personally almsot always go for it. It takes care of his mana issues (that even persist into lategame without a form of regen), it increases his farm exponentially, adds a nice chunk of dmg & the splash dmg is great with his ultimate.


Then get your :Elder Parasite:

Chronos is one of the few heroes that EP is a good item on, for various reasons that have been pointed out here many times (& wont bore you with by repeating them).

After that, it becomes kinda situational. You get either one of these items next.

:Shrunken Head: if there is a hard disabler that is keeping his distance in teamfights & is locking you down during your ulti.
:Savage Mace: At this point in the game, most likely the best overal dps increase you can get.
:Wingbow: Wingbow is the best item to get, when you're up versus another carry that generally doesn't get Savage Mace in their regular itembuild (for example, I go Wingbow on many carrys when I'm up versus a Predator/Maliken/etc..). It'll either force them to get a Savage Mace (which will mess up their regular optimal itembuild & give you a significant advantage still for the time that they are working on it) & if they don't, you should have no problem going toe to toe with them. The evasion is just brutal, especially combined with Rewind.


Next up are the extreme luxurys.
The best itemchoices for every build would be the following:

:Shrunken Head: -> :Savage Mace: -> :Riftshards:
:Savage Mace: -> :Riftshards: -> :Daemonic Breastplate: OR :Charged Hammer: (Daemonic= phyiscal dps team + more survivability, Charged= Magic DPS team, no surviva at all)
:Wingbow: -> :Riftshards (if you are lvl 23 or higher) OR :Savage Mace: (below lvl 23) -> :Savage Mace: (if you got riftshards first) OR :Riftshards (if you got Savage Mace first).

These are the best DPS increase items in those orders.

As an extreme lategame item (if you're having over 800GPM and the opposing teams isn't conceding for some reason, you could replace the Elder PArasite with a Daemonic, though saving for buybacks is likely the better option.

[mega_dmitri]

codex

[yyr_]

^ But note that Attack speed doesnt have a linear scaling system. say difference between 200 and 100 attack speed is not as noticeable as 50-100 attack speed.

Doesnt really matter until your attackspeed gets a bit below 1 second anyway.

[DrunkDoter]

umm.... Charged hammer is NOT an item for a "magic dmg orientated lineup". It's a pickup to help you farm early (claw), or is good on heros who need attackspeed AND if there is someone tanky on the team, it can be applied to them to deal out additional teamfight DPS. It's also good against illusion heros. Otherwise, it's a waste of 5000 gold as there are better items which will increase attackspeed (daemonic and wingbow, for instance).

[yyr_]

Steam + Whispering + Hack
- 500hp
- 5 armour
- lifesteal
- 30 damage
- 25 attackspeed
- 360 MS
- Slow
- Dominate pets

Phase + Cleave
- ~90 damage
- Mana regen
- Health Regen
- Bigger MS
- MS
- Cleave

Comparison
- First build pretty much increase his survivability by 40%, which a HUGE
- Slow vs MS, choose your poison
- Lifesteal > Health Regen
- Second build has mana regen, but do you /really/ need it if your ricing? - - The two builds rice at the same speed. Due to being able to take a wolf commander.
You can choose the winner.

My prefered build for the cost remains something like: EP + Steamboots + Part savage + 1-2 bracer/powersupply/chalice.
- 125 attackspeed
- massive active MS
- 42 damage
- ~300hp
- Lifesteal
Note: You will be farming a little faster with this build then cleave so the extra bracer or so the extra gold.

The health gained from the steamboots + bracers more then compensates for the -EHP mid game meaning you have more survivability then cleave + phase. Yes, an EP build lives longer then cleave.
It has about 50-70% more DPS then the cleave build against a primary target and as chronos is about killing them quickly it makes it even better. The MS from EP compensates for your steamboots crappy MS and can also be used for bailing when CDs are appropriate.

[chaRx]

umm.... Charged hammer is NOT an item for a "magic dmg orientated lineup". It's a pickup to help you farm early (claw), or is good on heros who need attackspeed AND if there is someone tanky on the team, it can be applied to them to deal out additional teamfight DPS. It's also good against illusion heros. Otherwise, it's a waste of 5000 gold as there are better items which will increase attackspeed (daemonic and wingbow, for instance).

I suppose you buy runed axe only for farming to?
I thought ppl realized CH/TC is more than a farming item when they left the 1500 bracket & started realizing you shouldnt perma stick it on FA & Valk.

CH's proc is only good for a lineup that has a form of -magic reduction & doesn't focus on -phys, hence why it's such an uncommon (bad) item currently. It's ironical how you are saying that it's a waste of 5000Gold, yet the reasons you recommened it for are exactly the bad ones.
CH's buff is rather something that comes along with it.

[Kman`]

To OP:

I would advice you to check the stats of the people posting all builds, cause som are really really bad.


I got a few builds:

First one is the standard one, if the other team don't got many stuns etc and you are pretty safe you should go runed axe if early farm is good. Then elders, savage etc. This will rape them. If they have many stuns tho, this build is bad.

My other build is a bit more tanky, and it doesn't really shine until late late game but then u are unkillable. This build, get runed axe if farm is good. Then you should rush frostwolf skull. Yes. Gives u lots of stats and a nice orb. Still tho, your attack speed is crap and u don't have lifesteal. That is why u get charged hammer / daemonic breastplate and abyssal skull. After that get wingbow or some random item. You won.

My third build is a build I tried yesterday. My team had the upper hand so I could pretty much free farm cause my team did well 4v5. What I did was trolling the other team. Yes. I started with elders parasite then abyssal for crazy lifesteal. The other team started flaming me and told me how bad I was :D So for the extra lulz, I went for staff of the master after those 2. More flame ofc WTF STAFF ON CHRONOS NOOB ****. Yea. Long time ulti and reduced CD, needless to say we won. Then u can get whatever random item. I think i got savage.

Another game yesterday, the other team wa sprobably scared of me, so whenever I jumped in they used all their stuff on me only to get raped by my team. So I went initiator chronos :D standard items, but I told my team, I will jump in , they will kill me, you will kill them. We got 4 for 1 3 times in a row. I wasn't ahead in level byt my whole team had decent farm instead of just me. The other team ultied me with all they had, my team cleared up. We won.


All this stuff happened on my sub-acc. PM me for match ID if u are interested.

[Kman`]

I suppose you buy runed axe only for farming to?
I thought ppl realized CH/TC is more than a farming item when they left the 1500 bracket & started realizing you shouldnt perma stick it on FA & Valk.

CH's proc is only good for a lineup that has a form of -magic reduction & doesn't focus on -phys, hence why it's such an uncommon (bad) item currently. It's ironical how you are saying that it's a waste of 5000Gold, yet the reasons you recommened it for are exactly the bad ones.
CH's buff is rather something that comes along with it.



And don't listen to guys like this one.

[PrestonLee]

Yes. I started with elders parasite then abyssal for crazy lifesteal. The other team started flaming me and told me how bad I was :D So for the extra lulz, I went for staff of the master after those 2.I'll share a secret that makes Chronos imba, no joke; get someone else on you team to buy Abyssal Skull for you.

It like gives him +5 armor, +15% Lifesteal, .8 mana regen, and +15% base damage, only he didn't pay for it. This is imba for a hero who Rewinds, as every stat it gives synergizes perfectly with his needs.

If you get someone to do this for you, you can focus on survivability and attack speed and your earlier SotM for the lulz (no jokes, free +10 agi is imba), and become the most imba mofo in the game; go try it. Works with Pred too.

Now I has shared the most imba secret of imba secrets; it is up to you'd to take advantage of dis secrets or not.

[MrBigHuge]

Just my opinion but if you're getting Runed Axe but not Parasite, then that's just a fail in itself. No point in getting Runed Axe on Chronos if your attack speed is slow as ufck. Without the Parasite, he doesn't farm fast at all with a Runed Axe, or at least it's no where near as efficient of a pickup than just getting something else.

Don't get Runed Axe if you didn't get Parasite as your first pickup, it's just stupid and you'd be better off grabbing something else that increases survivability or attack speed (or pickups that do both).

Runed Axe just doesn't help you farm faster at all if you didn't get Parasite first; you're just gimping your usefulness to the team to be a "farm 30+ minutes of the game before coming out to own everyone" role.

You never get runed axe if more than 20 minutes of play has elapsed.
If you get runed axe in under 20 minutes then I don't see the problem with it.

[PrestonLee]

You never get runed axe if more than 20 minutes of play has elapsed.
If you get runed axe in under 20 minutes then I don't see the problem with it.Just don't set yourself up to only have Runed Axe 20 minutes into the game, or you failed. Getting an Elder Parasite first sets you up to farm that Runed Axe much faster and synergizes in farming capability+DPS so much that it's pretty pointless getting the Runed Axe first when you could've just gotten the Parasite first and been much more useful to your team early game along with being able to gain farm much faster pre-Rune Axe.

Runed Axe first can work well as a first pickup with great support on your team; people stacking neutrals for you, getting Abyssal for you, giving you all the CS, etc. However, who the **** is reading this thread if they play with teammates that actually do this? :P

[HalaChelsea]

Let me automatically give you a word of the wise. Never EVER play chronos in a high psr game because he is easy to counter and very weak. All you have to do is split up from each other. And even if you do pull off an ult, a support hero has to just Storm Spirit you to make you useless. I rarely seen a Chronos in any of my 1750+ games...

[HalaChelsea]

Regardless, here's your item build in order
1) Steam boots
2) Iron shield
3) Elder parasite
4) Savage Mace

and then it's really situational but i would get Shrunken just in case you have stunners outside your bubble or vice versa

[StorM_Nyra]

Yea i hadnt planned using him if i make it up to 1750 again, i know hes rarely used then, i mean i run around these 15-1600 games with 900hp at level 12-15 with agility steam boots and just ult, kil someone and run back before bubble finishes, i wouldn't get away with that vs good/higher PSR players, it is fun though, getting a lot of champion of newerths, probably 90% of the games i use him.

Hopefully match history comes back soon so i can find this game i took CH + Demonic, with 1500hp i soloed maliken with slightly better farm and 32-3400hp and i killed him before elder was finished, both around level 23-25, he would literally hit me once and i would hit him 4 times with stun while taking back hp id lost him his one hit, was unreal