Sphere of Telepathy (support item)

[Nedrapter]

Carry items, protective items, nuking items hmmm i think i missed one category...supporting items!



This time the suggested item is clearly support item called
Sphere of Telepathy



Ingredients:


Beastheart
http://www.heroesofnewerth.com/images/items/Item_Beastheart.jpg
+250 HP
Cost: 1100g


+


Pickledbrain
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/2808/itembrainofmaliken.jpg
+250 MP
Cost: 1000g


+


Ring of the Teacher
http://www.heroesofnewerth.com/images/items/Item_ManaRegen3.jpg
+6 Damage
Aura: +3 armor to 900 aoe
Aura: +0.65 mana regeneration to 900 aoe
Cost: 500g


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Sphere of Telepathy recipe
Cost: 900g


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Sphere of Telepathy
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/8628/healingburst.jpg
+6 Damage
+300 HP
+300 MP
Aura: +5 armor to 900 aoe
Aura: +0.85 mana regeneration to 900 aoe
Telepathy ability (passive)


Telepathy:
Whenever an allied hero/yourself has his HP reduced to less than 40% of his max HP, Sphere of Telepathy gets 1 charge.


Total Cost: 3500g



Sphere of Telepathy with 1 charge:
+6 Damage
+300 HP
+300 MP
Aura: +8 armor to 900 aoe
Aura: +0.90 mana regeneration to 900 aoe
Aura: +6 Movement Speed


Sphere of Telepathy with 2 charges:
+6 Damage
+300 HP
+300 MP
Aura: +11 armor to 900 aoe
Aura: +1.00 mana regeneration to 900 aoe
Aura: +12 Movement Speed


Sphere of Telepathy with 3 charges:
+6 Damage
+300 HP
+300 MP
Aura: +14 armor to 900 aoe
Aura: +1.10 mana regeneration to 900 aoe
Aura: +18 Movement Speed


Sphere of Telepathy with 4 charges:
+6 Damage
+300 HP
+300 MP
Aura: +16 armor to 900 aoe
Aura: +1.20 mana regeneration to 900 aoe
Aura: +24 Movement Speed


Sphere of Telepathy with 5 charges:
+6 Damage
+300 HP
+300 MP
Aura: +20 armor to 900 aoe
Aura: +1.30 mana regeneration to 900 aoe
Aura: +30 Movement Speed


The charges on Sphere of Telepathy last as long as the the hero (that triggered the charge) is below 40% -even dead-



Example:

Old version:
You got Demented Shaman, and in your team the battle is initating always by your ally, Behemoth. A few seconds before he initiates you put Telepathy on him. He blinks in, casts his spells but he is taking heavy damage. He lost about 70% of his life. For the remaining seconds of the buff on him, your Sphere of Telepathy gives the effects of 2 charges (see above the table). When the buff time passes, the charges are gone and it's effects are the one without charges. (giving the fact that behemoth still had 30% life and he didnt lost more than 90% or was healed for more than 10%, in fewer word his HP remained the same)

New version:

The team battle starts, and things went bad from the start. The enemy Magmus and Behemoth dropped 3/5 mates' life almost to 0. What now? try to stay and hope to help the almost dead, while risking to die along with them and make things worse? Or ran away abandon them to die there and hope they will spawn before the enemies reach the base? I'm pretty sure this dilemma has crossed everyone's mind in some game. Sphere of Telepathy helps you get out of this dilemma. Now you can help your dying allies (or at least give the a better chance of escaping), by getting this item and staying in the safe range of 800-900.


Aim of the item:


It's an item that will be used on many support heroes or tank heroes to help their team. It can give some defensive bonuses and bonus ms when your team gets pawned, and the more teammates are close to death, the the more bonuses it grants. It's a defensive item that can be utilised to an offensive attempt too. How's that? Well it doesn't actually help the offense, but works as a backup plan if the offense plan fails miserably. The bearer of the item will likely draw the focus fire from the enemy team, so buying this on a tank hero (apart from increasing your tanking abilities a bit) helps you tank more efficiently.


Balancing issues:
Checks on Price, Power, Synergies

-Price
The individual passive bonuses are really low for this price. The aura effects make up for the cost though, that's what makes it a teamplay item by the way.
-Power
Hmm, 20 bonus armor for the whole team? Sounds a bit much doesn't it? The circumstances that is applied aren't good, in fact they are really bad. All allied heroes below 40% is on the virge of annihilation. And remember, if the bearer dies the effect is gone. It's good way to draw aggro to your support hero and let the carry slash for a bit longer.
Also a maximum of 30 ms on the 5h charge, isn't that much? even 5 more ms are able to make a melee hero never catch up with his prey (the prey has the 5 more ms obviously). Actually even having the same ms, results in an endless chase, unless....the chaser casts a spell! Same thing applies here, every single disable is a counter to that MS bonus. And disable spells aren't few.**
-Synergies
What can i say.. I believe it requires effort to find a game where a support hero would waste his gold by buying this item. It can work well with almost every supportive hero. It can work with the rest too, but it's not cost-efficient.

**Of course i'm not the balancing god, and some things may not be exactly as I say. But, balancing comes in numbers and numbers can always be tweaked. If the idea can be somehow be balanced i think I've these arguments prove it to be.

NOTES:


-Of course multiple times of this item wont stack together. The higest lvl item (meaning charges) will has its auras in effect if more than 1 heroes have this item.
-If the owner dies, the charges still remain, but since the item isn't there it has no effect.When the hero spawn since it has full HP, the charge is removed.



I could list some heroes, but there is another shorter way.
ANY hero could get this item. You can even buy it on a carry, even though it wont be preferable, but it WILL STILL be useful.






Vote the idea not the numbers, thanks!



Channelog:



-Edited some spelling mistakes, pointed out by Elementuser



-Added Cooldown.



-Changed from active to passive. Added 2 more charges. Reworked the bonuses. (17/09/09)
-Removed cooldown as it was changed to passive 01/10/09

[YunaSummoner]

This is awesome nothing else to say.

[Nedrapter]

You can vote too :D

[thomasdh]

i like it ... would be usefull first i thought wow big ms ... but then only for 30secs so its kinda fair

one of your best items !

T-Up

[Nedrapter]

i like it ... would be usefull first i thought wow big ms ... but then only for 30secs so its kinda fair

one of your best items !

T-Up

Yea it's not big, considering that the 30 sec countdown starts when you put the buff. The target may fall below 10% after 25 seconds, so you get the buffs only for 5 seconds remaining on the timer.

[Hornsby1]

WoW...
this will rock
in mnay support and not only. My Ophelia would play with it :D

[Lelouch]

Interesting aura effects, it would be the 1st with ms bonus that doesnt involve boots.

[Isin]

Very useful.


Interesting aura effects, it would be the 1st with ms bonus that doesnt involve boots.

...Storm spirit?

[Decency]

Far too confusing of an effect and combines random items. You're 2/3's of the way to a triad, why get something weaker?

Also, it just doesn't make sense. You get move speed as they take damage? So... this is for running away yourself? But it's an aura, so if they're running that means you lost the battle. And you get extra mana regeneration thrown in. But only when someone's hurt 30%+, which is pretty much only during a battle, which is pretty much entirely useless and just another confusing aspect.

Definitely a no.

[ElementUser]

Why is the recipe & the name in the middle of the thread "Sphere of Reflection", not "Sphere of Telepathy" like you said it was in the title? :/

[Sabre]

I like it, it gives support heroes who have some money something to buy other then a sac stone to take care of their mana/hp needs.

[Lelouch]

Why is the recipe & the name in the middle of the thread "Sphere of Reflection", not "Sphere of Telepathy" like you said it was in the title? :/

ahahhaha cool notice :D

[Hornsby1]

Far too confusing of an effect and combines random items.

It's quite clear to me. What did you expect to combine? 5x healing potions? lol
ofc they would be random items, but the effects are according to the items combined.



Also, it just doesn't make sense. You get move speed as they take damage? So... this is for running away yourself? But it's an aura, so if they're running that means you lost the battle. And you get extra mana regeneration thrown in. But only when someone's hurt 30%+, which is pretty much only during a battle, which is pretty much entirely useless and just another confusing aspect.


Let me make some sense for you, cos you seem losing it quite easily.
Battle starts , you put the buff to someone that's taking dmg, as he takes dmg his armor and speed increase (cause of your aura) so he can retreat momentarily and his taking less dmg cos of the armor increase. If his HP is still going down, he gets more armor and more ms to walk away if needed.

[Nedrapter]

Why is the recipe & the name in the middle of the thread "Sphere of Reflection", not "Sphere of Telepathy" like you said it was in the title? :/


You got me! :P
Well when starting the thread my mind had some ideas fighting each other, the two that prevailed were Sphere of Reflection and Sphere of Telepathy as a name.
How do i come up with the names? I'm trying to think of a background story (even if hon doesnt have such in items)
Reflection's story was something like: "Target's pain, reflects to his allies, raging them and giving them more lust for victory"
Telepathy's story was something like: "Target's is communicating va Telepathy with his allies. The pain of the target makes his allies determined to win and encourages them to act.

I ended up with the Telepathy concept, but as you saw in the middle of the writing the Reflection idea poped up unconciously. :P

Anyway , fixed now :)

[Lege1]

the +1.00 mana regen aura isn't going to do much over the +0.85 aura. over the total duration of 30 seconds you would only get additional 4.5 mana which is hilariously insignificant

[Nedrapter]

the +1.00 mana regen aura isn't going to do much over the +0.85 aura. over the total duration of 30 seconds you would only get additional 4.5 mana which is hilariously insignificant

Yea it is, mana regen could be even not boosted by the charges. I just added it to make it as a slight bonus. Mana regen isn't the point of the effects of charges.

[Hornsby1]

Mana regen even that much is useful, if it's too high it gets into OP issues, so keep it like that.

[CrashLemon]

Work on your layout, your items are often good but it's really annoying to read them.

[Medieve]

I rather think this item should be something more along the lines of "Sphere of Desperate Escapes" than anything. It doesn't really promote cooperation or clever teamwork.

I like the idea of an item activating benefits for when you are at low hitpoints but I don't particularly like how this item works. Its an activated ability that works best when cast on an ally of low health, which pumps the -aura- of this item. But it could be any low-hitpoint ally, a creep, or even yourself. The buff lasts 30 seconds which likely favors a precast but its capped at 3 charges which you could get from any one unit; the cooldown of the item (which I have to guess at, I couldn't find a number) would be the difference between hoping that one target ALMOST dies (but not completely dies) or allow you to precast on half your team + one creep to max out the 3 charges more consistently. The targeting/charges mechanic is mostly pointless.

An aura which grants additional armor/movement speed based on current health/max health would be just as effective.

OR

Give some sort of better scaling that makes the precast much better. Maybe make this item benefit wolf-packing where you gain better benefits as long as you are near units with the item's buff, which you'd have to upkeep by casting on everyone.

[Hornsby1]

I rather think this item should be something more along the lines of "Sphere of Desperate Escapes" than anything. It doesn't really promote cooperation or clever teamwork.



That's not true because:
-Cooperation cant change the fact that someone's losing hp, even if you heal and buff, there are no battles that every team escapes/wins with full hp.(if you win and all heroes have still full hp then you dont need many items anyway)
It's an item that's designed to turn the tables i suppose, to help the rest of the team when someone losing hp dramatically.


But it could be any low-hitpoint ally, a creep, or even yourself.



Targets only allied heroes or you, but there is absolutely no point to target you, cos after reaching 10% HP you probably die and the aura is gone, cos you had the item.


I admit you got a point that you must not hope your ally to lose that much hp to get max bonuses.

[Nedrapter]

I'm thinking of removing the targeting thing and implementing a passive aura that gets increases whenever an allied hero loses hp. But i'm having problems on how to make it balanced.
Any ideas?

[Nedrapter]

Forgot to add the cooldown as someone mentioned. 60 seconds will be enough i guess. or maybe a bit more?

[Lelouch]

60-90 would be the correct

[Nedrapter]

I'm thinking of putting an effect like :
"Whenever an allied hero , drops below half hp the item gets one charge. With maximum 4 charges (and not working for yourself). The charge for each hero lasts until regaining more than 50% of his max hp (which means if he dies, it lasts until he revives.

Opinions?

[Irsic]

I love support heroes, and I love support items. T-up.

[sebboo]

good idea, but to unbalanced :p

[Nedrapter]

good idea, but to unbalanced :p

Why unbalanced?

[Hornsby1]

Maybe he means your last idea about all allied heroes dropping below 50%?

[Freshpro]

Really cool idea indeed, takes support up to a whole new level. But even though its hard for some support heroes to farm these items required, it still say it way to cheap for sucha powerfull item. Recipe needs to cost more.

Heads up

[Lelouch]

Isn't too powerfull if you think that the main dmg comes from spells and not hits.. SO even the maximum armor buff my be underpowered instead of OP

[VenomKing]

Tricky item, but overall great idea.

[Hornsby1]

Tricky item, but overall great idea.

Tricky? how a support item can be tricky? maybe you mean strong? useful?

[Nedrapter]

Bump!

[Hornsby1]

Thought this item would be more popular than everything here, but i guess i was wrong.. maybe not everyone likes support items so much :P

[Nedrapter]

Needs to be Bumped imo :)

[jintenshi]

hmm, i'd say this is rather useful. but it's kinda funny cuz if u had ur entire team dying and they'd run so fast i don't think the opponent could catch up O.O but it's sweet. t-upz

[Nedrapter]

hmm, i'd say this is rather useful. but it's kinda funny cuz if u had ur entire team dying and they'd run so fast i don't think the opponent could catch up O.O but it's sweet. t-upz

Stuns, slows, etc :)

Btw, i reworked the item's aura mechanics, plz review and comment.

[Hornsby1]

I liked the previous version better ... :(, but personal opinion...

[Nedrapter]

Bump!>

[PhoenixICE]

Telepathy ability (active)

Active?

[Nedrapter]

Telepathy ability (active)

Active?

Thanks for the the notice :) it's not active now.

[Nedrapter]

Bump!

[Nedrapter]

Bumps are boring but what can i do? :P

[Hornsby1]

Bumping this one? omfg, this should be in popular already! :P

[Blam]

Needs a bit of balancing here and there, but otherwise it's a great concept :>

[Somnolent49]

20 armor and 30 move speed in an aura. That is so retarded there are not words. And all it takes is 5 charges, which means every 60 seconds, you run to ancient camp and hold position for 10 seconds.

[Nedrapter]

20 armor and 30 move speed in an aura. That is so retarded there are not words. And all it takes is 5 charges, which means every 60 seconds, you run to ancient camp and hold position for 10 seconds.

You don't quite get how it works.

1st- to get the 20 armor and 30 ms aura, you need all your team to drop below 40%. That means (by your logic) all your team has to hold position at an ancient camp and drop below 40%. Meaning that you will enter a fight with 60% of everyone's life missing. I don't think you want that, right? (droping below 40% gives this item a charge, but regenerating above 40% again, removes a charge.)

[Anosou]

Wording could probably be clearer to make it apparent that the aura is only affected by allied heroes with less than 40% in, say.. a 2000 yard radius? That way you don't have to worry about "resetting" charges when someone heals or similar, just make it based on who's around you.

I'm glad this item doesn't give attackspeed or str, that'd make it a beast when pushing and kind of break the meta there. Loving the concept though, but I'm pretty sure the numbers could be tweaked. I'm not that great with that though so I'll vote YES and see what S2 could do ;) Great work

[The_Eye]

Needs some number tweaking, but that's minor.

Nice concept, t-up.

[Nedrapter]

So now in popular any "harder" feedback?

[rickster]

The telepathy ability is boring as f*ck.

It just gives movespeed, mana regen, and armor in an aura. I've never seen that before.

[Nedrapter]

The telepathy ability is boring as f*ck.

It just gives movespeed, mana regen, and armor in an aura. I've never seen that before.

What's your definition of boring? Something that doesn't do 3478932849 dmg?

[ImpBloody]

This item would be a great item for nymph =P love the idea of an actual supporting item rather than only auras that work only so far in a game.

[rickster]

What's your definition of boring? Something that doesn't do 3478932849 dmg?
passive skills that don't add new effects to the game

[Nedrapter]

passive skills that don't add new effects to the game

It's simply impossible all new additions not to add numbers (with or without new abilities). From my point of view, an aura that triggers, and an aura tha give movement speed bonus is something i haven't seen before.

[Destro]

My only problem with this though is that lets say you have Magmus come in and ult your team. They all go below 40%. Ophelia then heals. Now sphere of telepathy will have 5 full charges.

My question is when does the sphere lose charges? Is it like every 5 seconds or 3 seconds or maybe it loses all charges when there are no nearby allies? I can't find it :s

[Nedrapter]

My only problem with this though is that lets say you have Magmus come in and ult your team. They all go below 40%. Ophelia then heals. Now sphere of telepathy will have 5 full charges.

My question is when does the sphere lose charges? Is it like every 5 seconds or 3 seconds or maybe it loses all charges when there are no nearby allies? I can't find it :s

The charge are lost when the conditions to get them are not met anymore.
In your example, when Ophelia heals, whoever got above 40% hp with that heal will make the item lose the charge that it got from that Hero. Charges remain as long as you got below 40%

[GGreenBass]

I don't understand how charges are gained.

[Nedrapter]

I don't understand how charges are gained.

When an allied hero drops below 40% it gets a charge. If another 2 allied heroes drop below 40% (total of 3 allied heroes, below 40%) the item gets another 2 charges (total 3). If one of these 3 heroes gets healed and his hp gets again above 40% the item loses 1 charge. TO sum up, for each allied hero below 40% hp the item has charge.

[Varp]

This is awesome, nothing else.
Signed!

[LeaveMe]

I like the idea but seems a bit easy to abuse imo.

[CheshireCat]

Like it :)

[Runesinger]

Just wanna know. Why Telepathy ?

[OhBob]

I'll T-Up it because I liked, but I don't thins2 will implement another Ring of the Teacher item soon.

[reaglex]

Imo this item seems way too powerful for its price. If we dont look at the numbers, as said before, it could also discourage teamwork (benefitting from your teammates having low HP or even dying).

Sorry, but it's a no from me.

[Nedrapter]

Discouragin teamwork is really something you can have with a codex also. Discouraging teamwork can exist by mane spells also. It's up to the player , not up to the item.

[Krypteia]

Make it 1000g and you got my vote

[XSkiBBiDyx]

More expensive, and FOOHA :D

[FreiBierFred]

definition of boring = passive skills that don't add new effects to the game

Thousands of active abilities in your inventory can get annoying as hell...
Sometimes you got a hero with 4 active abilities, power supply, tablet of command, chalice, ghost marchers and you gotta click everything in that short 10 seconds of teamfight. I consider myself an experienced player, still I'd like to see more new passive items created.

[GauntElakor]

Unique and useful, I like it. But Ring of the Teacher is an overused item as of now, another one would probably make this one more viable.

[shibbidydoo]

The armor and movement speed on this item is wayyyyyy too powerful. Tone it down a lot.

[Kalium]

The item is awesome.
But the armor bonus needs to be nerfed. +20 armor to the whole team is just INSANE.
something like 4/6/8/10/12/14 would be better.

[Nikomof]

Interesting aura effects, it would be the 1st with ms bonus that doesnt involve boots.

:Hack: says hi

[TheDarkLady]

:Hack: says hi
:Stormspirit: says hi

[SmashFiles]

Very nice idea, only the numbers seem way OP. This item would become core on every support hero. 20 armor? thats ****ing huge, even if the chances of that happening are slim. And 30%+ movespeed? Also very huge. that would be an average of about 90-120 on most heroes. Lower the armor to 10 at most, and movespeed 15% at most. Just my thoughts. I agree it would be a good item though.

[MaXi]

if you missed supporting items you must be blind...

but still idea of this item is good :)

[SilhouetteX]

I think the implementation of a hero like Martyr, who receives bonuses in playing dangerously should be ported into an item. Its bad enough when Maliken switches to lifesteal when he has +100 attack speed, I don't think it would be easily balanced or a good idea to implement an item that makes killing heroes more difficult on an aoe scale. Especially not on the one numerically suggested by the OP

[wonzling]

Too complicated, disapprove.

[chempres11]

epic item
just fix scaling a bit

[Sherwood]

Might be a useful support item to make if you're support and magically have farm early game.

If you have farm late game you may as well make a sheep stick.