Hero Roles v3.28 (Jul 16, 2011)

[GoldMath]

DISCONTINUE: New version here (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=311599).


Hero Roles by (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?p=1702598#post1702598) PixelCombat (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/member.php?u=2914952); continue by GoldMath (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/member.php?u=474643); special thanks Silv3ri (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/member.php?u=1651401) for Compendium and support.
To give you a clue as to what hero role you want play.

_____http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16897780/Hero%20Roles/heroroles.jpg


Download link
HeroRoles.honmod (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16897780/Hero%20Roles/HeroRoles.honmod) - 3.28 (Autoupdate) You need HoN Modification Manager (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showpost.php?p=349428&postcount=1).

Help me develop this new feature (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?p=13692023).

Changelog
3.27 - 16/07/11 : Add Revenant.

3.27 - 16/07/11 : Add Revenant.
3.27 - 01/07/11 : Add Emerald Warden.
3.26 - 24/06/11 : Fix compatibility with new patch.
3.25 - 18/06/11 : Add Parasite, fix compatibility with new patch (thanks bluechipps (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/member.php?u=3044916)).
3.24 - 03/06/11 : Add Amun-Ra.
3.23 - 20/05/11 : Add Martyr.
3.22 - 13/05/11 : Fix compatibility with new patch, tweak roles.
3.21 - 07/05/11 : Add Flux.
3.20 - 29/04/11 : Fix compatibility with new patch.
3.19 - 22/04/11 : Add Silhouette.
3.18 - 08/04/11 : Add Nomad.
3.17 - 25/03/11 : Add Tremble.
3.16 - 26/02/11 : Add Aluna, fix compatibility with new patch.
3.15 - 18/02/11 : Fix compatibility with new patch, more glow!.
3.14 - 09/02/11 : Add a little glow effect on Roles, tweak roles (thanks Ryuukun (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/member.php?u=473315)).
3.13 - 05/02/11 : Add Empath, fix colors bug in Compendium (thanks Silv3ri (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/member.php?u=1651401)).
3.12 - 21/01/11 : Tweak roles (thanks pwn_U_fast (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/member.php?u=833033) and kaboo` (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?p=12896756#post12896756)).
3.11 - 31/12/10 : Tweak roles (thanks Likrant (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/member.php?u=1270400)).
3.10 - 28/12/10 : Add Compendium page (huge thanks Silv3ri (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/member.php?u=1651401)).
2.10 - 27/12/10 : Add Pusher (thanks Nezu (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/member.php?u=176448) and KinkyPeach (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/member.php?u=956969)), add Tri-Roles and more.
2.09 - 23/12/10 : Add Dampeer.
2.08 - 20/12/10 : Tweak roles (thanks noVa` (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/member.php?u=906035))
2.07 - 18/12/10 : Add Soft-Carry.
2.06 - 17/12/10 : Change the color of [Tank] to [Tank] for a better visibility ingame, finally fix broken description.
2.04 - 16/12/10 : Remove "Assassin", tweak roles (thanks Nezu (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/member.php?u=176448)), debug deleted heroes descriptions.
2.00 - 15/12/10 : Add all heroes, rework roles and compatibility with 2.0.

Roles
Soft|Hard-Carry, a hero who primarily relies on auto attacking for damage, with spells which compliment auto attacking. They are also very item dependent.
Disabler, a hero which controls enemies with disabling spells. (stun/silence/immobilize...).
Ganker, a strong early game hero designed to roam the lanes and gank.
Initiator, a hero that is the first one in, usually via port key or a spell based teleport. (Maliken's sword throw, Wretched Hag's blink)
Nuker, a hero who's spells do pretty straight forward damage. Usually magic damage.
Pusher, a hero that can efficiently push a lane quickly and break towers faster than most heroes.
Support, a hero who is useful without any gold, therefor invests there gold into wards and a courier. They prefer assists over kills because they do not need the extra income like the carry does.
Tank, a hero that has a moveset which invites building defensive items rather than offensive items.

Heroes Roles
Accursed : Tank Support
Aluna : Soft-Carry Ganker
Amun-Ra : Hard-Carry Tank
Andromeda : Ganker Support
Arachna : Soft-Carry Ganker
Armadon : Ganker Tank
Balphagore : Tank Pusher Initiator
Behemoth : Initiator Ganker Disabler
Blacksmith : Nuker Ganker Support
Blood Hunter : Ganker Soft-Carry
Bombardier : Nuker Ganker
Bubbles : Ganker Initiator Disabler
Chipper : Ganker Support
Chronos : Hard-Carry Initiator Disabler
Corrupted Disciple : Soft-Carry Ganker Disabler
Dampeer : Nuker Soft-Carry Initiator
Dark Lady : Hard-Carry
Deadwood : Ganker Nuker
Defiler : Soft-Carry Nuker Pusher Initiator
Demented Shaman : Support Ganker
Devourer : Ganker Tank
Doctor Repulsor : Soft-Carry Ganker
Electrician : Disabler Tank
Emerald Warden : Soft-Carry Ganker
Empath : Support Ganker Disabler
Engineer : Initiator Ganker
Fayde : Ganker Nuker
Flint Beastwood : Soft-Carry Nuker Pusher
Flux : Initiator Ganker
Forsaken Archer : Soft-Carry Ganker Pusher
Glacius : Support Ganker
Gauntlet : Ganker Nuker
Gladiator : Hard-Carry Ganker
Hammerstorm : Soft-Carry Ganker
Hellbringer : Initiator Pusher
Jereziah : Support
Keeper Of The Forest : Initiator Pusher Tank
Kraken : Initiator Ganker
Legionnaire : Initiator Tank
Madman : Hard-Carry Ganker
Magebane : Hard-Carry
Magmus : Initiator
Maliken : Hard-Carry Initiator
Martyr : Support
Moon Queen : Hard-Carry Pusher
Moraxus : Tank Ganker
Myrmidon : Ganker Disabler
Night Hound : Hard-Carry Ganker
Nomad : Soft-Carry Ganker
Nymphora : Support Ganker
Ophelia : Support Ganker Pusher
Pandamonium : Disabler Ganker
Parasite : Ganker
Pebbles : Initiator Ganker Nuker
Pestilence : Soft-Carry Initiator Ganker
Pharaoh : Initiator Ganker
Plague Rider : Ganker Support
Pollywog Priest : Disabler Pusher Support
Predator : Hard-Carry Ganker
Puppet Master : Hard-Carry Disabler
Pyromancer : Nuker Ganker Pusher
Rampage : Ganker Disabler
Revenant : Support Ganker
Sand Wraith : Hard-Carry Ganker
Scout : Hard-Carry
Silhouette : Soft-Carry
Slither : Ganker Pusher
Soul Reaper : Support Soft-Carry
Soulstealer : Hard-Carry Nuker Pusher
Succubus : Disabler Support
Swiftblade : Hard-Carry
Tempest : Initiator Ganker Pusher Disabler
Thunderbringer : Nuker
Torturer : Soft-Carry Nuker Ganker Pusher
Tremble : Soft-Carry Ganker Pusher
Tundra : Ganker
Valkyrie : Ganker Soft-Carry
Vindicator : Disabler Support Soft-Carry
Voodoo Jester : Support Ganker
War Beast : Hard-Carry Pusher
Wildsoul : Hard-Carry Tank Pusher
Witch Slayer : Disabler Ganker Nuker
Wretched Hag : Soft-Carry Ganker Nuker Initiator
Zephyr : Tank



If you have any requests for roles, post with a constructive message.
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[BoboTheKlown]

Thanks for this, I like it :)

[Nezu]

All sounds good, except "Assassin".
Please remove it. "Ganker" and "Assassin" are the exact same thing. except you added that assassin goes invis... there is no role for going invis...

[GoldMath]

I remove "Assassin" for "Ganker", you can update ;)

[_Liszt_]

Ummm, rename the file to a .honmod extension. Right now your link is a zip file.

[GoldMath]

Ummm, rename the file to a .honmod extension. Right now your link is a zip file.
Where you see a zip? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16897780/Hero%20Roles/HeroRoles.honmod
I download I install it, it's a .honmod

[_Liszt_]

Weird. I'm using Google Chrome and clicking the link automatically turns it into a zip file and asks to save it as HeroRoles.zip

I had to manually change the extension on my side. Weird.


Where you see a zip? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16897780/Hero%20Roles/HeroRoles.honmod
I download I install it, it's a .honmod

[Kenneth]

Scout is most certainly not a ganker

[Nezu]

downloaded perfectly, as a honmod.

Great addon, good work. Love it. :)

[GoldMath]

I change again (after a good night) some sub-roles, Kenneth you not really give me a constructive message but cause of you I know I was use a not good definition of ganking, now it's fix.

You can update, and give me some constructive feedback about roles if you disagree, thanks ;)

[Nezu]

I really like this mod, so I want to help you make it perfect (if we can) so here is my advice. :)


I'm editing your post for you, and fixing your English. I assume you speak a different language, and you seem like a nice guy, so I don't mind helping.
Read where I quoted your post to see, the changes are written in larger red letters.

Also, you should add one additional role that is not here.
Semi-carry, or Soft Carry. I am not sure which phrase is the "correct" one, but its for heroes like Soulstealer, and Valkyrie, who can carry, but they also have a moveset which has spell dmg, magic based attacks, which does not scale as well into the late game as a Hard Carry does. Which is good and bad, because they are stronger early game than a Hard Carry.

Also on the hero roles list make these changes- (sorry I read the list backwards, so my list is backwards.)
I feel these role changes are very accurate.

Zephyr, Carry, Tank.
Night Hound, Carry, Ganker.
Maliken, Carry, Initiator. (not ganker)
Magebane, Carry. (not ganker)
Legionairre, Initiator, Tank. (not ganker)
Kraken, Initiator, Ganker.
Flint Beastwood, Carry, Nuker.
Fayde, Ganker, Nuker. (not carry)
Engineer, Initiator, Ganker. (not carry)
Dr. Repulsor, Carry, Ganker.
Devourer, Ganker, Tank.
Defiler, Nuker, Disabler. (not carry)
Dark Lady (the), Carry. (not ganker)
Chronos, Carry. (not ganker)
Bloodhunter, Ganker, Carry.
Bephelgor <-- Spelled wrong, its BALPHAGORE, Tank, Ganker.
Andromeda, Ganker, Support.

Once you get these changes in, I think this will be almost done. (if you need help deciding who is a Soft Carry I can help)

[GoldMath]

Thanks ggKUSH for your advices, you can update ;)

For "Soft/Semi-Carry", actually if "Carry" is write in second is = "Soft/Semi-Carry".
But whynot add this I will look your list ;)

[Mattie42]

Hi, where is Myrmidon?

[Nezu]

Add myrmidon, Ganker, Nuker.

[GoldMath]

Myrmidon is ingame but I forgot it in the list, his tag [Ganker] [Disabler]

[noVa`]

Defiler is a spell-casting Tank. You can't hold the attention from you without tank items. So: Nuker, Tank, Disabler.
Good work tbh. After the tweaks from version 1 I can try it. :)

//EDIT: You need some different descriptions for Hard-Carries IMO. E.g. Chronos, WS, TDL, Magebane, Scout, WB. Semi-Carries e.g. Valk or FA (secondary). And Glacius is not a Ganker in first role. Gladiator is a Ganker and Tank (without tank items you can't spam Whips).

[Nezu]

Defiler is a spellcasting Tank. You can't hold the attention from you without tanky items. So: Nuker, Disabler, Tank.

Good work tbh. After the tweaks from version 1 I can try it. :)

Defiler is usually built tanky, but I wouldn't consider her a tank.

You can buy tank items on any hero, but in order to be a tank you should have a moveset which invites defensive item stacking. (armadon, etc)

You can just build a shroud on defiler and run next to people invis, dont need any tank items. Seen it done tons both ways.

[noVa`]

Without a real tank (armadon, accursed, etc) in your Lineup you HAVE TO GO tanky. There is no other way imo. Otherwise you will go down in an instant.

So I don't think a good Defiler can play without at least an Hotbl (IF there is no primary tank in your lineup).
Exact the same counts for Gladiator imo.

[GoldMath]

Sure all heroes can be played differently according the player, we just give his base role, after you can experiment ;)

I make a little update, I change the color of [Tank] to [Tank] for a better visibility ingame and finally fix broken description, you can update ;)

[GoldMath]

I will add Soft-Carry and Hard-Carry, can you look at the list before I upadate ? ;)

[Okuu]

Soul Reaper = Support?

Him and Torturer = Soft Carries, as much as Hag

[Gara]

An awesome mod! Thanks!

[GoldMath]

I finally update, if you have any comments ;)

[St0l3n_ID]

Nice small Mod. I like the idea and the solution u made ;-)

[GoldMath]

Thanks to PixelCombat (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?p=1702598#post1702598), I just continue his mod and improving it ;)

[Mattie42]

Swiftblade a HARD-carry? Really? I consider him to be a soft-carry (just like FA/CD/Valk) and I think you can also call him a ganker looking at his skillset.

[noVa`]

He's not a ganker (his Skillset? His Ult and Whirl r not rly ganking skills), but he's a Soft-Carry.

IMO a hard-carry just needs huge farm to can do anything later in the game, needs a babysitter to get fed and is nearly useless in early game, so Swift is not.
Same with Arachna (Semi-Carry and awesome ganker).
Same with Pestilence. He's never ... in no way ... a hard-carry. A Portal Key is not a huge farm, but with it Pesti is owning. He need's nothing more.
Same with Puppet-Master, awesome ganker and Semi-Carry.

Other roles are ok, but I think you have to change these 4.

But good job anyways.

[GoldMath]

Thanks for contribute with these points noVa, they are change, you can update ;)

[Nezu]

He's not a ganker (his Skillset? His Ult and Whirl r not rly ganking skills), but he's a Soft-Carry.

IMO a hard-carry just needs huge farm to can do anything later in the game, needs a babysitter to get fed and is nearly useless in early game, so Swift is not.
Same with Arachna (Semi-Carry and awesome ganker).
Same with Pestilence. He's never ... in no way ... a hard-carry. A Portal Key is not a huge farm, but with it Pesti is owning. He need's nothing more.
Same with Puppet-Master, awesome ganker and Semi-Carry.

Other roles are ok, but I think you have to change these 4.

But good job anyways.

I agree with all of these except puppet master. He is a hard carry. Puppet is just auto attack with some holds. His ulti is the only thing that might make him a semi carry, but scout's ult does not make him a semi carry. So imo puppet is a hard carry. I've heard over and over that he is a hard carry as well. He is a disabler as well.

[Judgement`]

Add :damp: - Hard Carry

[GoldMath]

2.09 up, I add :damp: Dampeer has Hard-Carry, and back :pupp: Puppet Master to Hard-Carry, you can update ;)

[Mordiggian]

Dampeer's not a hard carry, he's a ganker (plays similarly to Pebbles, with a built in blink to boot). Obviously, he can be built as a carry (and the passive lifesteal would seem to encourage it), but his damage comes from his combo of charge (nuke), fear (which also nukes), and his ult, which is just a strong single target nuke (like pyro's ulti, but melee range, short cooldown, and the heal). And, unlike pebb's stalagmites, which has a pretty lengthy cooldown, Dampeer's fear and charge both have 4 second cooldowns at max level, so he isn't reduced to autoattacking once he's blown his load.People are doing the same thing with him as they were with Fayde when she was introduced, building carry items on them and saying it makes them carries. (Note that Fayde fits into the same area as Pebbs/Dampeer, specifically the "Pick-one-squishy-and-make-them-dead" area.)

Also, the fact that the lifesteal is an aura lends further merit to the idea that he's not a carry, as once I get chalice/spellshards on him, I'm generally free to build defensive items to improve my staying power without hampering my damage, and the real hard carries (the melee ones, anyway) love having me around, as a free 30% lifesteal on them is beautiful.

[Nezu]

Dampeer's not a hard carry, he's a ganker (plays similarly to Pebbles, with a built in blink to boot). Obviously, he can be built as a carry (and the passive lifesteal would seem to encourage it), but his damage comes from his combo of charge (nuke), fear (which also nukes), and his ult, which is just a strong single target nuke (like pyro's ulti, but melee range, short cooldown, and the heal). And, unlike pebb's stalagmites, which has a pretty lengthy cooldown, Dampeer's fear and charge both have 4 second cooldowns at max level, so he isn't reduced to autoattacking once he's blown his load.People are doing the same thing with him as they were with Fayde when she was introduced, building carry items on them and saying it makes them carries. (Note that Fayde fits into the same area as Pebbs/Dampeer, specifically the "Pick-one-squishy-and-make-them-dead" area.)

Also, the fact that the lifesteal is an aura lends further merit to the idea that he's not a carry, as once I get chalice/spellshards on him, I'm generally free to build defensive items to improve my staying power without hampering my damage, and the real hard carries (the melee ones, anyway) love having me around, as a free 30% lifesteal on them is beautiful.


He is a nuker/semi carry. I associate him more with soulstealer than pebbs. He is capable of carrying (unlike pebbs), and he has spell dmg based nukes. He has charges he loses on death. His move set encourages auto attacking, and like a semi carry, his nukes can be used to ensure/steal kills for himself. (valks first spell etc)
Frostburn is a better pickup on him than spellshards. Tried them both about 4 times each, respectively. Spellshards is meh even at level 3. I feel shrunken is mandatory to enable him to continue auto'ing for lifesteal. (like maliken with green sword mode and shrunken head) he can sustain and keep dumping. He is much more than just a ganker, but I agree less than a hard carry.

[MiniDon]

As soon as i saw arachna- soft carry i started crying.... ended and i was on the floor having fits.......

Really archna semicarry whaa?????? shes afull on carry dude.. she has an aura =hardacrry..... shes the hardes hitting ranged hero = hard carry... well maybe next to mq..

Also i skiped like half of it and saw zephyr hard carry... i loled, he doesnt have a crit, or any spell that makes him better..........look theres a difference between softcarries or semicarries and hardcarries.. hard carries have steroid skills, ie crit, +%auras, % based atacks example predator and sandwraith... semicarries have a set damage on their skills example valkyrie, her javelin does a certain amount of damage, her valk call does a certain amount of damage, however ppl like tdl her skill gives her + 80% damage, so if she has 100 damage she will do 180.... if she has 200 she will do even more.. you get me? the more autoatack damage they give out the more their spells help them... valks call only does a certain amount, however arachnas passive gets better and bettter the more damage she has on her.

Edit: i looked at ur list .......... and wow dude you have no idea of half of the friggin heroes.. you put Defiler Nuker Disabler WHAT? Shes a semicarry-tank, why ? well her ghosts do a crapton of damage, if you survive a whole teamfight thats a shitload of damage, thats why shes a tank well she isnt but you are supposed to build hero as one, also disabler is being retarded, all she has is a silence, and thats not even a true disable....... Jesus dude play all the damn heroes and remake it please... you have no idea on half of the heroes...

[Nezu]

As soon as i saw arachna- soft carry i started crying.... ended and i was on the floor having fits.......

Really archna semicarry whaa?????? shes afull on carry dude.. she has an aura =hardacrry..... shes the hardes hitting ranged hero = hard carry... well maybe next to mq..

Also i skiped like half of it and saw zephyr hard carry... i loled, he doesnt have a crit, or any spell that makes him better..........look theres a difference between softcarries or semicarries and hardcarries.. hard carries have steroid skills, ie crit, +%auras, % based atacks example predator and sandwraith... semicarries have a set damage on their skills example valkyrie, her javelin does a certain amount of damage, her valk call does a certain amount of damage, however ppl like tdl her skill gives her + 80% damage, so if she has 100 damage she will do 180.... if she has 200 she will do even more.. you get me? the more autoatack damage they give out the more their spells help them... valks call only does a certain amount, however arachnas passive gets better and bettter the more damage she has on her.

Edit: i looked at ur list .......... and wow dude you have no idea of half of the friggin heroes.. you put Defiler Nuker Disabler WHAT? Shes a semicarry-tank, why ? well her ghosts do a crapton of damage, if you survive a whole teamfight thats a shitload of damage, thats why shes a tank well she isnt but you are supposed to build hero as one, also disabler is being retarded, all she has is a silence, and thats not even a true disable....... Jesus dude play all the damn heroes and remake it please... you have no idea on half of the heroes...


Arachna's spider = set dmg. Semi-carry. Defiler is no carry in any sense. She is an int pusher, nuker with silence. Why would you even think to label her as a tank? You can buy sac stone on ANYONE and be "tanky" but that does not make you a TANK, a tank has SPELLS that make them tanky.

Perhaps you should learn the game before you start trolling, lol but I think you might be serious which is even more sad.

[GoldMath]

I change :damp: Dampeer to Nuker Soft-Carry, thanks for your constructive feedback. You can update.

MiniDon, I stop read you after your "i started crying" and "i loled", I don't listen baby.

[Mordiggian]

He is a nuker/semi carry. I associate him more with soulstealer than pebbs. He is capable of carrying (unlike pebbs), and he has spell dmg based nukes. He has charges he loses on death. His move set encourages auto attacking, and like a semi carry, his nukes can be used to ensure/steal kills for himself. (valks first spell etc)
Frostburn is a better pickup on him than spellshards. Tried them both about 4 times each, respectively. Spellshards is meh even at level 3. I feel shrunken is mandatory to enable him to continue auto'ing for lifesteal. (like maliken with green sword mode and shrunken head) he can sustain and keep dumping. He is much more than just a ganker, but I agree less than a hard carry.

He has one skill that seems to encourage autoattacking, the aura. Pebbs also has one skill that seems to encourage autoattacking: His ult, increasing his damage (admittedly, at the cost of IAS). However, his ult and charge really don't do anything to encourage autoattacking, and fear actually discourages it, by making the enemies run around (you're gonna get fewer autoattacks off on a moving target, vs a stationary one). Obviously, he can be built into a decent semi-carry. So can Pebbles, throw some attack speed items on him, and his autoattacks hit like a freight train. It's certainly doable, but it's really not playing to his skills' strengths. Same deal with Dampeer.

Also, as an addition to what I said in my earlier post about his aura, it also supports ganker as much as carry, because, when combined with blood chalice, it means you have a ganker who never has to return to base between ganks without being reliant on runes to fill a bottle, which leaves them for the hero at the middle lane.

Obviously, you're entitled to your opinion as much as I am, and yes, he is quite capable of carrying, but I'd just say that it's not his primary role.

[proXsteR]

other subject: bubbles, consider him as initiator, shellsurf or pk (blink)-> ult (aoe stun or immobilize) -> take cover (survivability)

[GoldMath]

Men, a moment I thinking about add "Tri-Roles", you think is good ?
For exemplary Bubbles : Ganker Initiator Disabler

[GoldMath]

If any one can help me for do this! I am really low in coding, it's just a fake-screen :(
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16897780/Hero%20Roles/compendiumtemp.jpg

[ChaosYoshi]

A lot of your roles are quite incorrect.
e.g.
Soulreaper - Remove support change to hard-carry/tank.
Hammerstorm - Change to soft-carry, ganker.
Arachna and Corrupted Disciples are hard-carries. Etc.

Also might want to add Pusher to some heroes like Torturer, Defiler, Wildsoul, etc.

[Nezu]

Men, a moment I thinking about add "Tri-Roles", you think is good ?
For exemplary Bubbles : Ganker Initiator Disabler

I think adding a third role would be more informative, as some heroes do more than 2 roles. Would be some work, but probably worth it in the end.

Also I think "Pusher" is worth making into a subrole, for heroes like Defiler, Pollywog Priest, Warbeast, Tempest, etc. Heroes that can efficiently push a lane quickly and break towers faster than most heroes. A pusher would be a tower breaker (unlike pyromancer). Pyro can push, but hes not a superior tower breaker. Flint Beastwood also a pushers because his nuke hurts towers. Engineer, Ophelia, torturer, wildsoul. There may be more, this is just a rough draft idea.

Thank you for all your work on this mod, it is very appreciated by me!

[KinkyPeach]

Along the lines of pushers...polly, balph, defiler, ophelia, engi, fa (kinda), slither, hellbringer, pyro, tempest, torturer, warbeast, wildsoul; i think thats all of them.

[GoldMath]

2.10 - 27/12/10 : Add Pusher (thanks Nezu (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/member.php?u=176448) and KinkyPeach (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/member.php?u=956969)), add Tri-Roles.

Look at the Hero Roles list, can you confirm it before I put 2.10 online ? ;)

[SquiZ]

I consider silencer as a separate role from disabler... but it's a good list for players new to the game. It will probably never be perfect as everyone has their disagreements on hero roles, but what you have so far is good enough.

[Silv3ri]

Future
If any one can help me for do this! I am really low in coding, it's just a fake-screen :(

Hey, I coded up a mod for you so you can do that. I just added the roles for the first five heroes to match your 'fake-screen'. You'll only need minimal coding knowledge to set all the rest of the hero roles.

Further details:

Here's a screenshot (actual, not fake!):
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7150186/Images/screenshot-heroroles.JPG
Sorting by role even works! Here's a download of the honmod to get that right: Mod Download (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7150186/Silv3ri%27s%20HoN%20Mods/Compendium%20Hero%20Roles.honmod)

You should be able to figure it out if you look at the code a little bit (hint: search for the word IMPORTANT in the mod.xml file), but if you have any further questions or something doesn't work, just PM me.

You (or anyone, actually) you can alter, change and use it in any way you want. Just give credit by keeping my name (Silv3ri) somewhere!

[GoldMath]

Hey, I coded up a mod for you so you can do that. I just added the roles for the first five heroes to match your 'fake-screen'. You'll only need minimal coding knowledge to set all the rest of the hero roles. [...]
You (or anyone, actually) you can alter, change and use it in any way you want. Just give credit by keeping my name (Silv3ri) somewhere!
[/spoiler]

Really Thanks !! :'( :'( :'(
I am going to tweak this base thanks ! I give you a huge hug !

[Lust]

Can Soft-Carry be changed to Semi-Carry?
"Soft" seems like a bad word to use there. Sounds like squishy.

[GoldMath]

I put 3.0.0 online, you can update, huge thanks Silv3ri (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/member.php?u=1651401) for the Compendium!!

[Nezu]

Can Soft-Carry be changed to Semi-Carry?
"Soft" seems like a bad word to use there. Sounds like squishy.

Lets nitpick a great mod! lol.
It does not sound like a squishy, as it is a prevalent and well accepted term.
Soft, as opposed to hard carry is well understood.

On another note, I love this mod. Great work! I love where this has gone!
Good job Silv3ri on the compendium changes as well!

[GoldMath]

Fix ABC order in the Compendium, thanks again Silv3ri (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/member.php?u=1651401). You can update ;)

[Likrant]

IMHO
Chronos - disabler
Moon Queen - nuker
Puppet - soft carry
Zephyr - soft carry
Flint - hard carry? (i think, but not sure) and not pusher
Torturer - soft carry
Vindicator - soft carry
Hag - nuker, support?
Bubbles - nuker, pusher, disabler, support?
Gauntlet - nuker
Jeraziah - support
Thunderbringer - support
Blacksmith - support, disabler
Pandamonium - soft carry
Pestilence - disabler
Pharaoh - disabler
Myrmidon - soft carry?
Bombardier - support, pusher
Behemoth - disabler
Succubus - support
Swiftblade - hard carry
Tempest - disabler
Chipper - support
Gladiator - soft carry
Damper - not soft carry, but initiator

something like that

All roles depends on heroes skills, not on public play-styles (;

+1 semi-carry

[Mordiggian]

Flint - hard carry? (i think, but not sure) and not pusher


Flare hits tower, plus he can attack them out of their range at level 3 of his passive range skill. He's a pusher.

That said, I'd say neither Hammerstorm nor Pyro are really pushers. Pyro's DoT on Fervor doesn't really do much for tower killing, even if it does affect them, and what exactly makes Hammerstorm a pusher? Damage from his ult? Along that line of though, Madman would be a pusher, because the IAS from his ult also increases his damage output.

Oh, and minor bug, Balphagore is near the bottom of the list when you sort by the pushers field on the compendium. Dunno about any others.

[Likrant]

Flint not pusher. coz he cant kill a creep spawn fast. Yes, he can do 100 (lol )))) damage to towers by his skill and hit them from out of range, but his phisical damage on tower is low (his real power in microstans and magic bonuses).

Pyro can kill spawn with his 2 magic skills every ~10 sec (forgot his cd). Hammer have splash damage, AOE skill and ult.
They can kill spawn very quick and with them kill tower.
And they can do it much faster then Flint.

[GoldMath]

Thanks Likrant, I change some heroes with your feedback, but I waiting more opinions for other heroes ;) You can update ;)

[Diablo]

GoldMath .. You are really going to change some things based on Likrant feedback? This guy is at 1500 PSR and claims that Flint is not a pusher :D and Dampeer is not a Soft Carry, he is a joke. I would suggest that only people above 1700 should be allowed to post their opinions here :) .

[Likrant]

Ye, PSR is a real mind-index (;

I can defend all my words in facts and numbers. Yes, I have curved hands and cant do high APM, but i played dota for many years and understand something in game mechanic.

PS Damper has NO carry skills, he is like Deadwood: jump, disable, ult and hope to stay alive (: His aura is support for hard carry.
BTW he may be pusher.

[Nezu]

Ye, PSR is a real mind-index (;

I can defend all my words in facts and numbers. Yes, I have curved hands and cant do high APM, but i played dota for many years and understand something in game mechanic.

PS Damper has NO carry skills, he is like Deadwood: jump, disable, ult and hope to stay alive (: His aura is support for hard carry.
BTW he may be pusher.

PSR does matter.
1500 doesn't cut it. CURVED HANDS? WTF???

Dude, Flint is definitely a pusher.
Much of your feedback is wrong.

I disagree with almost everything Likrant said.

[GoldMath]

I don't take all Likrant feedback, just some return I suggest fine, for other I wait more opinions, has you can see Diablo, Dampeer still Soft-Carry and Flint a Pusher.
And you know, my MM PSR is just 1550 :D

[Likrant]

Well. We can test. Start practic and try to push two mid towers. Then do it with pyro or hammer. And compare times.

Its easy to say "disagree", but hard to give proof.

[Syllab]

AAAHAHAHAHAHA Hammerstorm hard-carry but not a ganker :D

You have NO clue of how this game works.

[Stokkolm]

Hammerstorm is a tough hero to categorize. He's usually picked solely for the stun, the rest of his skills rarely make any difference. I've never seen in 500+ games a hammerstorm to carry. A bit of a initiator (portal key is almost always built on competitive games), a bit of a ganker, a bit of a semi-carry, and a bit of a pusher, a bit of a tank. But he doesn't shine at any of them.

[Nezu]

Well. We can test. Start practic and try to push two mid towers. Then do it with pyro or hammer. And compare times.

Its easy to say "disagree", but hard to give proof.

Go do it yourself and post your findings here. Otherwise, you are right. It is easy to say something, but hard to give proof.

Proof is something you don't have.

[TheMadman]

Armadon carry

[GoldMath]

Armadon carry
Thanks, huge argumentation :rolleyes:

[zoltano]

I have a problem. In last update (3.1) my compendium is no open plis help me

[Emin3m]

Awsome, now i can train those noob via mod :D

[sheff]

Good idea, but you should try getting some competitive insight. Right now the roles are pretty off for some heroes. For example, training people to think :hamm: is a hard carry and not an initiator is criminal. Try messaging Henry_D from honcast and see if he'll help you out.

[Angry_Chu]

How is Hammerstorm a Nuker? His stun is his only nuke, ult doesn't count as a nuke.

[Vheo]

Great mod dude !!! Should I dare say awesome ? Well, yes awesome mod !!!

But I don't know if it's only happening to me and my friend, but in our compendium Jeraziah has no roles...

Waiting for reply, thanks !

[Dewdler]

Lol @ hammer hard carry/nuker

I mean he does have one active ability that does damage, but hey nuker seems right. Almost want to download this to make fun of it more.

Warning to noobies out there, this really will not help your game ask someone with atleast 1600 psr to help your game!

[Vheo]

Lol @ hammer hard carry/nuker

I mean he does have one active ability that does damage, but hey nuker seems right. Almost want to download this to make fun of it more.

Warning to noobies out there, this really will not help your game ask someone with atleast 1600 psr to help your game!

Oh my god !!! Another guy who's downing peeps too show his awesomness instead of just making a normal and constructive comment...

[GoldMath]

But I don't know if it's only happening to me and my friend, but in our compendium Jeraziah has no roles...
Fixed, you can update ;)


For all "blabla" Hammer, what you suggest ? Soft-Carry/Initiator ?

[Vheo]

I must admit that Nuker isn't appropriate... I'm not a pro, but Disabler maybe ?

[Ryuukun]

Nice mod but the informations are fatally wrong.

[GoldMath]

Nice mod but the informations are fatally wrong.
Thanks for your huge contribution :)

[Demigod`]

Please change Rampage from Hard-Carry,Ganker to Tank,Disabler,Ganker

[pwn_U_fast]

i know this is a mod, but can we get the information in this thread copied to the premium guides section?

[GoldMath]

Sure but this list still have controversy ;)

[Scydow]

Please change Rampage from Hard-Carry,Ganker to Tank,Disabler,Ganker

Have to agree with this.

Don't think either Rampage or Hammerstorm are (hard)carries.

[pwn_U_fast]

Have to agree with this.

Don't think either Rampage or Hammerstorm are (hard)carries.

if hammerstorm gets 'decent' farm he can be a pretty good hard carry as long as the other team get a purge (nullfire blade?).

but yes he fits the semi-carry ganker role much better.


Sure but this list still have controversy ;)

on another note though, a list like this will ALWAYS have controversy, however this is more or less to give new players some direction, at least imo.

[Tobb3n]

Have to agree with this.

Don't think either Rampage or Hammerstorm are (hard)carries.

hammer is a frigging hard carry
given the right items
hes unstoppable ..
much better than rampage if they are to be compared

[pwn_U_fast]

hammer is a frigging hard carry
given the right items
hes unstoppable ..
much better than rampage if they are to be compared

...the only problem is about 3k gold can turn hammerstorm into a little *****. all game, completely rendering him useless. nullfireblade means no ult for hammer which means 150% less damage late game which means not gonna be carrying.

anyone who can be countered that easily isnt an ideal hard carry. hes better off playing a semi-carry role or ganking.

as you said given the right items he can be, but i think he has more utility with a pk/chalice then going straight dps.

[Tobb3n]

...the only problem is about 3k gold can turn hammerstorm into a little *****. all game, completely rendering him useless. nullfireblade means no ult for hammer which means 150% less damage late game which means not gonna be carrying.

anyone who can be countered that easily isnt an ideal hard carry. hes better off playing a semi-carry role or ganking.

as you said given the right items he can be, but i think he has more utility with a pk/chalice then going straight dps.

probably true but countering nullfire with shrunken?
does it work? :o
and then just focus stuns / cc agains the target with it
and you got that problem away ..

surely with a little attack speed and riftshards hammerstorm
turns into a ****ing bulldoser really quick..

[pwn_U_fast]

probably true but countering nullfire with shrunken?
does it work? :o
and then just focus stuns / cc agains the target with it
and you got that problem away ..

surely with a little attack speed and riftshards hammerstorm
turns into a ****ing bulldoser really quick..

im going to say right now that to properly counter hammerstorm with nullfire your hardcarry should be picking up the item imo.

yes shrunken does work to block the nullfire. if youre going the hardcarry route with him its a must have as your first pick up (with reasonable comp, nubs wont buy a nullfire to counter hammer, not smart enough so you can still go pk or whatever you want).

but the ult lasts significantly longer than the shrunken, especially after youve used it once or twice. You will find that against good competition the shrunken isnt long enough to protect you and get off all the damage you need to be a hard carry.

then you notice with him, that he lacks the escape mech most hard carries have. any true hard carry (madman, magebane, tdl, cronos) will be able to tank your stun and a few autoattacks (or dodge the stun outright), escape, wait til the shrunken has worn off, and just purge your ass.

then you will watch yourself get autoattacked to hell with no way to get out.

[Scydow]

But still, its not even close to winning from madman or sand with enough farm.
So soft-carry I think.

And rampage isn't even a soft-carry imo...

[pwn_U_fast]

And rampage isn't even a soft-carry imo...

pure ganker. thats all he does now. with MINOR disables.

hes not even a tank.

[ChaiKnight]

this is nice - i'd make rampage ganker, though.. MAYBE (if given the option and farm) tank or soft-carry, but...

[ellidokork]

This is really great work... but you missed something very vital imo, the "Babysitter" role.. of course this is a subrole, but then again so is the "Tank" role... I understand very well why a role like "Roamer" isnt on the list since it isnt something a beginner should concern him or her self with but if a beginner needs to learn the games more important roles, I would say one of them were "Babysitter"...

And the last little thing that caught my eye - Keeper of the Forest has the roles Initiator support which is fine but again imo, he needs the subrole Tank added, if you go for tank items keeper can be almost unkillable thanks to very high health and regen, and most initiators fit well with the Tank subrole since it allows them to get away if they mess up...

Keep up the good work, love it since this has been needed for a long time ;)

[pwn_U_fast]

This is really great work... but you missed something very vital imo, the "Babysitter" role

Babysitter == Hard Support (or in this case Support)

additonally, if you feel that roaming is too difficult a role for someone to play, the 'subrole' you describe of babysitting, implies, creep stacking, pulling, etc.

all things a new player will not even know exist. do not include babysitter role.

[GoldMath]

I tweak roles with your advices and shadow` (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?p=12896756#post12896756) post, you can update ;)

[Mecavity]

Nymphora honestly behaves better as a ganker than she does as a support. All the more so coupled with another strong ganker. Naturally, this is personal opinion, though out of the last 20 games I've played with her as such, I have only a single loss.

Naturally, if we restrict ourselves to the trilane metagame, the only role she really perfoms well is support.

[Demigod`]

Add Empath Disabler ,Ganker ,Support

[Ryuukun]

:souls: Semi Carry
:zeph: These days he's at best just a "Tank" (Nonexistant class in HoN) but not a Hard carry.
:defi: Semi Carry
:ophe: Ganker
:swif: Hard Carry
:glad: Hard Carry
:vind: No matter how you look at him, he's not support.
:tort: Semi Carry

[pwn_U_fast]

:souls: Semi Carry
:zeph: These days he's at best just a "Tank" (Nonexistant class in HoN) but not a Hard carry.
:defi: Semi Carry
:ophe: Ganker
:swif: Hard Carry
:glad: Hard Carry
:vind: No matter how you look at him, he's not support.
:tort: Semi Carry

vindi is an anti-carry and exactly what his DotA name says - Silencer.

he disrupts normal initiation and almost serves as a counter initiator.

[ToFat2Gank]

Uhm, nh is a great support to, just saying :D

[GoldMath]

Thanks Ryuukun, I make some changes, you can update ;)

Slot96 you trolling :D

[Demigod`]

Why :arac: is Disabler?

[GoldMath]

Why :arac: is Disabler?

Arachna get a auto attack and a ulti who can "disable" any weak hero with a huge Movement Slow and reduce Attack Speed ;)

[Tropicocity]

Flint Beastwood: Soft Carry? Really?

[Emin3m]

new patch broke current version

[GoldMath]

ya I working on it, don't worried ;)

EDIT: Fixed

[GoldMath]

3.17 : Add :trem: Tremble; Soft-Carry Ganker

[GoldMath]

3.18 : Add Nomad; Soft-Carry Ganker

[andu`]

Edit.

[GoldMath]

3.19 : Add :silh: Silhouette; Soft-Carry

[Glider]

Plz update.

Empath ****ed up the mod ^^

[Andie]

Not working for me as well. Please update when you can.

[SHiRKiT]

Please, notice you are developing a XML file. \\Accursed Shudn't be there, and should be replaced with <!-- Accursed -->

Just a note here. I can change this for you really easily.

http://www.tizag.com/xmlTutorial/xmlcomment.php

http://www.w3schools.com/xml/xml_syntax.asp

[GoldMath]

Fixed!

Don't worried Shirkit and thanks for your links, I will do this in a next update, actually this \\ don't break the mod :D

[Serrrie]

Hi GoldMath,

New update works good, but you didn't change the update txt version, so people with an updater won't get the new working version. I get 3.19 from the update URL while the honmod is 3.20. Just FYI. Thanks. :)

[Supersolid]

the mod doesn't automatically update with honmod. it stays at 3.19

[Serrrie]

the mod doesn't automatically update with honmod. it stays at 3.19
See my reply above yours. If you want to fix it now you can simply use the download link, it does contain the updated version. Simply copy it over the old one you have.

[GoldMath]

[...] you didn't change the update txt version, so people with an updater won't get the new working version. [...]
Oh! Forget this! My bad, fixed :bubb:

[Bloodmaker]

nice

[GoldMath]

3.21 : Add :flux: Flux; Initiator Ganker

[Demigod`]

Also Tank?

[hsram]

Tank is a sub-role, not a role by itself.

[Flowww]

This mod is outdated, plz fix it.

[GoldMath]

3.22 : Fix compatibility with new patch, tweak roles.

[GoldMath]

3.23 : Add Martyr; Support Tank

[hsram]

arachna
> soft-carry, disabler

what?

[TeitanBlood]

Where u have 'jungler'?

[majkzor]

Dont think really martyr is a tank, because he cant use his second spell on himself :)
He is more like a support/healer/protector or something.

[Shin__]

Puppet Master "Hard-Carry" is in pink at the character selection ( but in red on the compendium ).

I also noticed that certain hero don't have caps in their roles descriptions.

Some of the heros descriptions are flashy like their roles too

[GoldMath]

3.24 : Add Amun-Ra; Hard-Carry Tank, fix Puppet Master and Moon Queen, remove Tank for Martyr.

[GoldMath]

I search people for make this new feature (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?p=13692023#post13692023), thanks for your look !

[Andie]

As expected, this mod has broken with the 2.0.36 patch. Awaiting an update, keep up the good work!

[bluechipps]

As expected, this mod has broken with the 2.0.36 patch. Awaiting an update, keep up the good work!
here you go, updated for 2.0.36 :) http://www.mediafire.com/?83biwg9abqxb89f

[GoldMath]

Thanks bluechipps!
Parasite added as Ganker ;)

[Renegateor]

Interesting that u say panda is ganker and nypmh not :D:D

[Despisepq]

Not working since the new patch...

[GoldMath]

Not working since the new patch...
Fixed, +add Nymph Ganker

[ZebraNinja]

I would also consider Scout beeing a good ganker, especially when you are solo mid.

[Alter]

After updating today, im getting this error "Hero Roles" caused a problem: could not find string starting with "Hero_Parasite_description . . . While the world above burned (...) as sought by line 346 of C:/Program Files/Heroes of....

How can i fix this?

Thank you and keep it up! I love this mod.

[GoldMath]

How can i fix this?

Hum, I don't get this, try delete it from modmanager and redownload (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16897780/Hero%20Roles/HeroRoles.honmod) it, tell me, if persist ;)

[Alter]

GoldMath, heres a pic of the error im getting.

Pd. I did what you told me, deleted and redownloaded from your link, still gives me the same error.

[Alter]

got it fixed!!

Thank you!

[Volko]

Epic mod is epic :noma:

[GoldMath]

Add Emerald Warden, Soft-Carry Ganker.

[Silidons]

thanks for this! i'm a new player and don't know what role every hero is...this helps a lot!

[GoldMath]

Add; Revenant: Support Ganker

[coven]

Getting an error message after new patch 2.1.0 today.

[GoldMath]

yap, I start working on, i will perhaps have to rewrite the code.

EDIT: Gonna be fix Tomorrow©

[St0l3n_ID]

Looks like a complete rewrite is needed 'cry'

[St0l3n_ID]

Not sure if i'm finished today, much to do, original code was pure mess, i've started all over

[GoldMath]

Thanks for give me so much of your time on this :/
Good luck

[GoldMath]

DISCONTINUE: New version here (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=311599).