Most Commonly Used Heroes in Scrims

[UltiiMatuM]

Just a Question???
I know top bans are tempest, jereziah, magmus. just wanted to know which heroes are pick the most.

[shammma]

You forgot defiler, and i wouldnt be surprised to see zues there too

[xahxah]

Jereziah banned over Behemoth? What?


Most Common Picks :

Defiler
Thunderbringer
Pyromancer
Behemoth
Glacius
Tortuerer
Magmus
Blacksmith (Picked more often here due to lack of counters)
Wretched Hag (No Puck)
Valkyrie
Tempest
Pollywag
Puppet Master
Vodoo Jester
Demented Shaman



That about sums it up. I might have missed a few. The rest are situational or are used primarily as counters (such as Jereziah, Arachna, etc.)

[Qwernakus]

Everybody picks Hammerstorm. Always.

[Darkstrand]

Do people really pick Puppet Master and Pollywog Priest?

Amazing

[Lyte]

Rarely see Puppet Master, Pollywog Priest, Blacksmith or Voodoo Jester.

Definitely a lot of Defilers, and the other heroes posted.

[Cheese]

Some of what other people have put forth is good. Additionally:

Yes, Jereziah is quite blatantly imbalanced.
Succubus is a beast.
Hellbringer is common.
Blacksmith has never shown up in a scrim or match I've played.
Soulstealer pops up now and then.
Ophelia doesn't fit most teams' style, but be careful...


At the risk of embracing a cliche, though, different teams have different philosophies. And furthermore, the pool is so thin in HoN compared to DotA that by the time you get to your 4th or 5th pick, there aren't usually any "must-pick" heroes who round out your strat. So, it isn't surprising to see damn near ANYONE show up (ok maybe not Scout hehe).

[_Archangel_]

Some of what other people have put forth is good. Additionally:

Yes, Jereziah is quite blatantly imbalanced.
Succubus is a beast.
Hellbringer is common.
Blacksmith has never shown up in a scrim or match I've played.
Soulstealer pops up now and then.
Ophelia doesn't fit most teams' style, but be careful...


At the risk of embracing a cliche, though, different teams have different philosophies. And furthermore, the pool is so thin in HoN compared to DotA that by the time you get to your 4th or 5th pick, there aren't usually any "must-pick" heroes who round out your strat. So, it isn't surprising to see damn near ANYONE show up (ok maybe not Scout hehe).

Jereziah isn't imbalanced
Succubus is indeed a beast
Hellbringer is pretty strong
Blacksmith can be anywhere from bottom tier to high tier depending on your luck. O.o
Soulstealer is farm-dependent and very gankable; shutting down a Soulstealer's farm is very easy. I wouldn't pick Soulstealer in a serious game.
Ophelia is far inferior to Chen at the moment due to lack of neutral creep abilities

[Isin]

Add Electrician, Accursed, Nymphora and Swiftblade to that list.

[Cheese]

Jereziah isn't imbalanced
Succubus is indeed a beast
Hellbringer is pretty strong
Blacksmith can be anywhere from bottom tier to high tier depending on your luck. O.o
Soulstealer is farm-dependent and very gankable; shutting down a Soulstealer's farm is very easy. I wouldn't pick Soulstealer in a serious game.
Ophelia is far inferior to Chen at the moment due to lack of neutral creep abilities

For each of the 3 heroes you were negative toward, I can recall a scrim or tournament match where they were the difference-making hero.

But, everyone has different experiences and that is what generates their different philosophies. Your mileage may vary.

[KARTlK]

Electrician and Accursed are both very powerful heroes. Definitely top tier.

[JumJum]

You should list the heroes that are never picked. So... you know... they change them for the greater good. ^^

[elNiuBi]

If I had to play an important game, unless I was forced to pick a specific hero to combo or something, I would go Electrician. It's the best gank/disable/tank hero of the game, better than Zephyr IMO.

[rpg711]

At the risk of embracing a cliche, though, different teams have different philosophies. And furthermore, the pool is so thin in HoN compared to DotA that by the time you get to your 4th or 5th pick, there aren't usually any "must-pick" heroes who round out your strat. So, it isn't surprising to see damn near ANYONE show up (ok maybe not Scout hehe).
Yes, the pool is so small that by the time you ban 8 and pick 6(counting both sides) there are no more powerful heroes left... forces people to do... unconventional combos.

[Sinbad]

WTF Jereziah imbalanced? Sorry is this a joke because I don't get it?

[_Archangel_]

For each of the 3 heroes you were negative toward, I can recall a scrim or tournament match where they were the difference-making hero.

But, everyone has different experiences and that is what generates their different philosophies. Your mileage may vary.

I wasn't saying Jereziah, Soulstealer and Ophelia I wasn't saying they have no impact on the game, I'm saying that there are usually better picks. (I know that Jereziah is powerful, but I'm just saying that he isn't overpowered.) It all depends on the game and situation though.

[Kaizen`1]

WTF Jereziah imbalanced? Sorry is this a joke because I don't get it?

yes he is.

[Isin]

He's top tier, not overpowered. Electrician counters just about everything Jereziah can do. Purge removes spellshield AND the ultimate.

[elNiuBi]

Exactly THAT is why I always pick Electrician ^^

[Isin]

Why magmus anyways? He's not that great at all.

[class]

......??

not item dependent, insane roamer, stunner, escape mechanism, excellent early mid game ult and prowress, great synergy with heroes and teams in general?

lol?

[kdeep]

Why magmus anyways? He's not that great at all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRtMdPWvP8A
thats why lol.

[Midnightoil]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRtMdPWvP8A
thats why lol.
EPIC lol

[Tesailion]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRtMdPWvP8A
thats why lol.
Awesome video :D

[elNiuBi]

Epic video hahaahahahahahahahaahahahahahaahahahahaha

[ZPotch]

Magmus has an awesome stun + awesome ulti - both are aoe

[Iceburns]

WTF Jereziah imbalanced? Sorry is this a joke because I don't get it?

Learn to play Electrician and Jereziah becomes ****.

[Archatype]

He's top tier, not overpowered. Electrician counters just about everything Jereziah can do. Purge removes spellshield AND the ultimate.

It's not that simple...

1) You have to actually purge the person with the spell sheild, which in a straight up 5v5 is easier said than done.

2) His ultimate can affect up to 5 people...you can only purge 1. Saying electrician counters jereziah's ult is like saying he counter's KoTF's ult.

3) His heal and his passive are very good and are unaffected by purge.

[Rkaze]

Jereziah isn't imbalanced
Succubus is indeed a beast
Hellbringer is pretty strong
Blacksmith can be anywhere from bottom tier to high tier depending on your luck. O.o
Soulstealer is farm-dependent and very gankable; shutting down a Soulstealer's farm is very easy. I wouldn't pick Soulstealer in a serious game.
Ophelia is far inferior to Chen at the moment due to lack of neutral creep abilities

Correct me if I'm wrong but is it not hard to wipe out a whole wave of creeps with soul stealer's first skill?

[Darkstrand]

Correct me if I'm wrong but is it not hard to wipe out a whole wave of creeps with soul stealer's first skill?

He can be shut down with an early roamer at like level 1-2 before he gets souls to buff his attack, he can't do **** that early in the game.. Especially when he can't get near the creeps.

[Freshpro]

Some heroes are more used than others yes, but it all comes down to 3 things.

1. What heroes/combo are best suited for your players/team.
2. Predicting what the opponent will pick (taken from what they ban/first pick), and counter it.
3. For the love of god dont copy/paste strategies you have seen done by others. I know there is not a lot of heroes atm compared to dota, but there is enough to wary your strategies every game with a good outcome if executed well.



Tips n tricks for Firstpick/ban.

If you play the "standard" 3x bans each and no autobans, you should especially be aware of this.

What hero is definently neccisary we get and they dont ? Some of the wisest firstpicks (in my opinion) would be, Tempest, Defiler, thunderbringer, jereziah and hellbringer. These heroes are very unique and a well asset to ANY teamcombination. So basicly there is 4 heroes and you got 3 bans, so what do you ban?

Obviously theres the "secondpick heroes" which most commonly and best suited for any combo is as follows, Magmus, Behemoth, glacius, demented shamann valk or if any of the heroes above are still available.

So a commonly mid/highskilled pick/ban would look like this: A: team pro B: team others

1A: behemoth
2B: jereziah
3A: magmus
4B: Tempest
5A: thunder (making opponent chose between giving us hellbringer / defiler)
6B: hellbringer

First pick.
A: Defiler - if it suits a player, hell yeah good hero

B: valkyrie+ glacius/demented - if opponents gets glacious defiler can be a ***** earlygame with spam, but demented is definently the best support-to-carry-hero. So if u fx rely on ur valk as gang and not lategamecarry you should get demented. In this case lets say we pick glacius.

A: accursed + pharaoh - ok wtf are u doing ? Well in 9 of 10 cases with defiler, he will solo a lane and will be the main source of dmg in lategame + the obviously best hero to push n get towers. accursed obviously supports with shield and heal + getting mekansim (250 aoe heal). Pharaoh is a great tank and anitiation whom will in 5v5 fights isolate 1-2 targets with his mummies making then unable to fully target defiler, which would be the main objective. + both heroes works well with the majority of ranged heroes left in pool.

B: pebbles/blacksmith - it doesnt take a rocketscientists brain to figure out what the opponents are doing, so since theres no melee heroes picked atm, the (in my opinion of course) would be to get the strongest instantly damage, so you can kill fast, and gang hard. A dead defiler early, is a sad low hp defiler lategame.

A: pollywog/voodoo - again a suprising choice, but it all comes down to predicting and countering. The opponents are obviously going for fast engage/kill, so lets look on pollywog. He can hex a heroe for 4 seconds (lvl 4) + ensnare for (4-5secs, not sure:P), which in a lucky scenario is 2 heroes disabled (less dmg to dp) + his ultimate is a great addition to the defilers pushing albilities. Now why voodoo ? As you can see from the opponents they will most likeley gang a lot, and hope for a great early. Well meet voodoo's stun, even in lategame pollywog/defiler/pharaoh can clear the creepslane in 1 second, leaving only the opponents heroes left to tank the 8x 1sec stun. + they will be forced to target him before the defiler, because if he gets maledict + ultimate up for a longer duration its kinda gg.

B: pyromancer - The best lanechoice to go with blacksmith, since he will instantly stun, leaving the pyro an easy task to not miss stunning + other spell dmg. pebbles+glacious is obviously a good lane, no further info needed there.

So how will team B lane vs team A ? In 9 of 10 cases defiler will be middle solo, so why leave a valkyrie to wank on lane vs her ? put valkyrie solo lane (bottom for sentinel) (top for scourge), and get the blacksmith/pyro on middle lane vs defiler. This will give permanently runecontrol + making it epicly hard for defiler to farm, and furthermore they can gang the valkyrie lane easy.

I hope this puts a little perspective on the "black and white, what to pick and what to not pick". Wary your picks/strategies, and ALWAYS consult your team while picking. Its a teamgame, theres endless opportunities so dont let your opponent see right through you, cuz that only leads to certian doom.

A last note, you can bait your opponents jereziah, and pick electrician 3rd/4th to make jereziah ur ***** +get an additional "firstpick hero".

Hope this could help out some people ^^

[xahxah]

Rarely see Puppet Master, Pollywog Priest, Blacksmith or Voodoo Jester.

Definitely a lot of Defilers, and the other heroes posted.


Puppet, Polly, Blacksmith, and Vodoo see alot more action than heroes like Swift, MQ, etc. because they simply are the 2nd tier heroes. And because HoN's pool of "must have heroes" gets knocked down alot due to bans, you see those heroes alot.

[FuzzyWuzzy]

Hmmm, I don't see why Pyro is there in the list... Lina is never picked in Dota, due to Lion being a lot better (ofc here we don't have Lion, but it's doesn't make the hero magically playable)

I would prefer a Polly in any game, especially since trapping with wards is 100% easier now.

[Kaizen`1]

jereziah and tempest are the most overpowered heroes in this game right now

[HunteR_]

In order:
Defiler
Tempest
Thunderbringer
Jereziah


Top 4

Second Tier

Hellbringer
magmus
behemoth
valkarie
Madman

Those are most used.

[Freshpro]

" In order:
Defiler
Tempest
Thunderbringer
Jereziah "

very very very very very very wrong, please comment this if ur skilled -_-

if u want a useless order it would be

Tempest
Jereziah
Hellbringer

[Darkstrand]

" In order:
Defiler
Tempest
Thunderbringer
Jereziah "

very very very very very very wrong, please comment this if ur skilled -_-

if u want a useless order it would be

Tempest
Jereziah
Hellbringer

... Is this a joke?

[Freshpro]

Yes this is a very big joke (not). We have lost a single scrim/ tour match doing like this, but if u dissagree go ahead.

[spedmunki]

" In order:
Defiler
Tempest
Thunderbringer
Jereziah "

very very very very very very wrong, please comment this if ur skilled -_-

if u want a useless order it would be

Tempest
Jereziah
Hellbringer

Its funny that you say that to him....considering he's the leader of HoN's official league.....

[Freshpro]

So that makes his opinion stronger than mine ?

Either way both our lineup comments are worthless now since patch :D

[spedmunki]

So that makes his opinion stronger than mine ?

Either way both our lineup comments are worthless now since patch :D

No, it shows how sad their league is.

[Llama]

I imagine nymph will get alot of love in proper games now, especially if you want to babysit a carry

[Nedrapter]

Puppet will be in the carry option sooner or later.Why? can solo mid with an excellent last hit, he doesnt need mana regen items. Just some pots/hp and pure dmg. He is the only carry that can kill easily through Jere's ultimate. Not to metion that he is a carry with 2 disables. He farms awefully fast.

Puppet will be a carry. Remember this.

[GODLY]

Puppet will be in the carry option sooner or later.Why? can solo mid with an excellent last hit, he doesnt need mana regen items. Just some pots/hp and pure dmg. He is the only carry that can kill easily through Jere's ultimate. Not to metion that he is a carry with 2 disables. He farms awefully fast.

Puppet will be a carry. Remember this.
I'll hold you to that Nerdraper.

[HunteR_]

Its funny that you say that to him....considering he's the leader of HoN's official league.....

It's not HoN's official League. But, he is mistaken, since I see "scrims" all day long, and personally communicate with HoN's greatest teams and players so far about these exact issues.

[Sw4n]

Hmmm, I don't see why Pyro is there in the list... Lina is never picked in Dota, due to Lion being a lot better (ofc here we don't have Lion, but it's doesn't make the hero magically playable)

I would prefer a Polly in any game, especially since trapping with wards is 100% easier now.

lina was picked plenty in dota, watch ks.int. and pyro is way better than lina, WAY better attack animation and longer stun range.

[noRaki]

Dunno why nobody says Spider :/

[CallMeMarkJ]

Exactly THAT is why I always pick Electrician ^^
Gay lol, Electrician should be slightly nerfed, he is a bit OP.
@ topic, Kraken is a must and Glacious is a must..

[Freshpro]

It's not HoN's official League. But, he is mistaken, since I see "scrims" all day long, and personally communicate with HoN's greatest teams and players so far about these exact issues.

Where do u see all those scrims ? O_O

We in FFS are dying to find worthy opponents to scrim against, but they are nowhere to be found :C

And no, puppet will never be a carry - EVER.

On topic, best scrim heros is obviously zephyr and kraken !! nerf plz

[Friskytheman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRtMdPWvP8A
thats why lol.Haha, epic.

[xahxah]

Where do u see all those scrims ? O_O

We in FFS are dying to find worthy opponents to scrim against, but they are nowhere to be found :C

And no, puppet will never be a carry - EVER.

On topic, best scrim heros is obviously zephyr and kraken !! nerf plz


If you let Zeph stack neutrals and farm all day sure. Still sucks when you dispell his buff.

[PeDRo_O]

Why magmus anyways? He's not that great at all.

I almost choked to death. thx

[Lanik1]

I see so many of these players with their stats in their signature who have more kills than assists. Laugh.

[Darkstrand]

I see so many of these players with their stats in their signature who have more kills than assists. Laugh.

That's supposed to mean something?

[Darksplatter]

WTF Jereziah imbalanced? Sorry is this a joke because I don't get it?

360 pure AOE damage FTW?
Immunity to magic also FTW?
Give team complete immunity to physical damage FTW?

[Samich]

360 pure AOE damage FTW?
Immunity to magic also FTW?
Give team complete immunity to physical damage FTW?


if you allow him to hit multiple heroes with his "360 pure AOE damage" more then once in a blue moon, then your team needs to work on its positioning.. And for that matter surely tempest is alot bigger threat to you considering if you play like that he's going to wipe you off the map.

Immunity to magic, yeha its a great spell, it can also be dispelled (and before you say, oh yeah if you can get close enough, if he's that far away from you, what threat is he?)

ulti is the best thing about jere, and yeah its a great ulti, its what makes him a top tier pick. It can still be dispelled on 1 opponent by elec and spell damage still effects them in the same way.

[GaIactic]

If ur thinkin of picking Jeraziah, learn to ban Electrician.

So far every single post I've seen people trying to say Jera's not imbalanced consists of "learn 2 play a good Electrician".

Just because 1 hero out of the entire pool can (kinda) counter him doesn't mean he's not imba. L2Nullfire Blade? Sure, assuming you have an agil carry and not a STR carrry. Even so, you have 10 charges and a much longer cooldown on that than Repel.

^_-;

[G`Funk]

Jereziah isn't imbalanced
Soulstealer is farm-dependent and very gankable; shutting down a Soulstealer's farm is very easy.

soulstealer is one of the absolute best carries out there. with his massive early game presence , massive early nuke output and massive last hit potential he starts beeing a dps monster at lvl 8.

gankable? you get lothars or dagger anyways and you can kill creepwaves in lightningspeed.

in addition, other then most carries, he has a amzing ultimate which does serious aoe dmg and slows.


so he has a WAYWAY stronger early game then your usual agi, gets his dps way faster then any other agi and has a gamedeciding ultimate. an.d also is a amazing mid hero if you dont suck at lasthitting/denys/razing

[RockMaster]

guys best are MAGEBANE AND CHRONOS!

[Isin]

Magebane actually isn't that bad anymore because he got buffed.

[krucifix]

Even so, you have 10 charges and a much longer cooldown on that than Repel.

^_-;

You mean, 16 charges, and a much shorter cool down compared to Protective Charm... right?