Behemoth- what's the point?

[gahd_damn]

Ok so just hovering over the units, Behemoth attacks slower, closer, and for less damage than a scout. Why bother playing behe when you just get sliced to ****?

Anyone have any tips on playing this unwieldy hero?

[Rippsy]

The characters in this are all about there abilities and how they interact with the other heroes.

Behemoth has a massive array of aoe stun abilities, scout has abilities to chase down and kill single targets.

Not to mention Scout is agility and and Behemoth is strength.

[Glorify1]

Behemoth has 3 stuns, his ult can throw an entire team down into 1/4 health, he can block with his fissure to force lots and lots of early game kills.

Scout is a bad hero, Behemoth is a good hero.

[Vadi]

Behe indeed is good. The fissure ability is awesome for cutting off a team or splicing them.

[Talander]

Well - it's not that simple:
In teamgames a well played Behemoth >>>>>> a well played scout. He is just devastating and an awesome initiator.

In Pubs where noone has a clue how to play (and most of all when people don't get a Dagger/Portal Key on him but rather go cleave or so.. wtf..) he might be not that strong and a well fed scout can be the "better" hero (as he is easier to play).
But for a team the Behemoth is alot more important (Initiator/Stuns/AE-Dmg).

[BLUEPOWERVAN]

The newb-easiest thing to do is try to wall someone early on into a tower. If you are good you will buy portal key and teleport in/aoe stun the entire enemy team in group fights (use the +damage on hit as third stun), as well as walling off enemy pursuers from teammates if fights go bad.

I'd like to say for the record, I generally consider this to be easily one of the best heroes in hon or dota.

[Vadi]

He just can't one-shot guys with a well-aimed tree trunk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwqVFO6H2Us) anymore :(

[gahd_damn]

yeah that's the problem I have, 1v1 vs predator, behe goes down like a sack of doorknobs. Where is the THICK RHINOCEROS HIDE? Why does a TREE TRUNK do less damage then butter knives?

[Krangry]

He isnt a physical DPS hero, he is a str caster, whith AMAZING spells, he is nothing wihtout a team

[Rippsy]

Now your just trolling yourself;

My last 2cents Behe is a support/initiator at best. He's not a solo hero killer unless the situation is heavily in your advantage (Huge creepwave & ulti up against a low hp hero)

Pred has a lot of hp, and a lot of lifesteal, if you cannot insta-kill him. He will eat your face.

[FuriousPeon]

... HONis not a 1v1 game. And you're talking a carry vs an AOE suppor thero. Look at it this way. PREDATOR can do 1400 dmg to one hero OH MY GOD. Behemoth can do something like 4-5k in an AOE to the entire team.

[kosta1]

Behemoth: awesome hero.
Scout: used for statwhoring.

[Shazam1]

This probably belongs in another thread but has anyone noticed Fissure not working properly? I've seen people right under my feet not get stunned or take damage... this never happens in DotA.

[Krangry]

This was fixed in the last patch. I havent had this problem at all recently

[LodeRunner]

yeah that's the problem I have, 1v1 vs predator, behe goes down like a sack of doorknobs. Where is the THICK RHINOCEROS HIDE? Why does a TREE TRUNK do less damage then butter knives?
Man I forgot this game was about reality.

Also check the Behemoth guide. It will tell you how to screw up less when you play as him.

[unormal]

The basic way to maximize Earthshaker (the dota edition of Behemoth) was to get the blink dagger. (So get portal key)

What you basically do is:

1) Portal key into the middle of the enemy pack and immediatly:
2) Shockwave (Stunning everyone around you for 1.5 seconds due to heavyweight), doing massive damage
3) 1.5 seconds later, enrage (stunning everyone around you for 1.5 seconds due to heavyweight)
4) 1.5 seconds later, fissure (stunning everyone for 1.75 seconds from fissure, and hopefully blocking escape/splitting up the enemies)

At this point, they've taken tons of damage, have been stunned for 5 seconds, and are now in trouble, split up from the Fissure.

It rarely goes perfectly, but even at sub par this is a devestating opening if you get surprise. Portal key is the 'secret' key to this hero. (If he's anything like Earthshaker)

[Liquidsword]

LOL that's so ****ing typical to see a new player shoot down behemoth, possibly the most OP hero for team fights ever and then in the same post say that scout is better. hah

Let me lay it down for you buddy.

Blink Dagger -> 3 Stuns

if their team bunches up you win that fight hands down. If theyd on't, you still lock up 2-3 players.