Heros that use SOTM

[MrBigsmurf]

A good number of heros can use SOTM but who should you be getting it on and who should you not? I know someone like :swif: can get SOTM but you should NEVER get it.

So the ones that I think you should get it on are

:poll: :succ: :plag: :witc: :phar: :devo: :andr: :vood: :pyro:

One thing that I think a lot of people over look is that for 4300 you get some pretty good stat increase and for most of the heros being intel the stat gain is really well needed.

[mega_dmitri]

Basically, you get it on heroes who get some new function to their ult and not just damage when boosted by sotm. There are some exceptions though, like :slit:. Heroes like :witc::pyro: just get a small boost to their ults damage, so going for some other items is more preferable.

[Kudryavka]

Best: :chip::poll:
Good: :wret::phar::devo::slit::deme::ophe::vood:
Luxury at best: :nymp::tort::chro::pyro::thun::glac: :swif::magm::witc::plag::andr::soulr:
Bad: :moon::succ:

[Sheriff]

I prefer sotm on these heroes

:phar:
:devo:
:plag:
:andr:

It is a plain must for these

:vood:
:chip:
:nymp:

[Fumn]

Best: :chip::poll:
Good: :wret::phar::devo::slit::deme::ophe::vood:
Luxury at best: :nymp::tort::chro::pyro::thun::glac: :swif::magm::witc::plag::andr::soulr:
Bad: :moon::succ:


Ummmmmmmm gonna have to disagree on ur luxary.

Good: Wretched Hag, Chip, Polli, Voodoo, Pharo. I would say ds is also good, but usually never happens cuz im getting other stuff

Pyro and Ws should never get staff waste of teh money.
Chronos=NIEN. U solo team, dont need an xtra atk,
Never on glacius cuz... well... ur glacius....

[Mr_Bubbles]

GOOD: :chip::vood::poll::ophe::nymp::phar:
SITUATIONAL: :slit::soulr::deme::plag::magm:
NOOBTASTIC: :witc::pyro::moon::thun:

[Rofl_Lobster]

Sheriff has it right, although i'd add polly into 'prefer'. I'd say it's best on chipper, though. Adds so much in a team fight it's amazing.

[man_guy]

There are better items to get for MQ, but SotM takes CD from 160s to 90s. That's a pretty huge difference. I would only say never on Witch / Pyro. There are better items for survival and there are better items for damage for both of them.

[Johny_Hubert]

I only get :StaffOfTheMaster:on :pyro: against :chro:

[Skyve]

Actually it's okayish on Thunderbringer since it causes the ultimate to deal 550 bonus damage in total, guaranteed. If you can get it till around 30 minutes, it should be still good.

Similar for Pyromancer/Witchslayer/Hag. If you can get it fast, it's viable (usually when you've been mid and had a good game getting a lot of hk's through ganking). For Hag it generally can be very useful because of the cooldown reduction, but personally, if I were looking for cooldown reduction I'd go for Behemoth's Heart, since it provides 20 seconds CD reduction on her ult while also reducing Sonar Scream CD by 1 second, compared to SotM which provides 15/35/55 second CD reduction on her Ultimate.

[c0rrosive]

I only get :StaffOfTheMaster:on :pyro: against :chro:

Get codex instead, then...

[shibbidydoo]

Core on chipper, voodoo, hag, and maybe polly.

[JoOKie]

Great on Chipper, Pollywog Priest, Voodoo, Nymphora, Ophelia, Devourer (although Dev could definitely use other items), and Andromeda.

Sometimes on Pharaoh and Slither

[Linkness]

I'ma do it from 1-5.. with 5 being how good it is on them imo

5 :plag::devo::phar::soulr::andr::vood::chip:

4 :slit::poll::nymp::ophe:

3 :thun::wret::pyro::witc::succ:

2 :swif::moon::glac::magm::tort:

1 I'll kill you if you get a Staff on :chro:

:deme: Can someone tell me what it does for this guy?

:magm: I just can't see the use of getting it on him

:pebb: Yes I saw this once :D

[robbiek1]

I'ma do it from 1-5.. with 5 being how good it is on them imo

5 :plag::devo::phar::soulr::andr::vood::chip:

4 :slit::poll::nymp::ophe:

3 :thun::wret::pyro::witc::succ:

2 :swif::moon::glac::magm::tort:

1 I'll kill you if you get a Staff on :chro:

:deme: Can someone tell me what it does for this guy?

:magm: I just can't see the use of getting it on him

:pebb: Yes I saw this once :D

Sotm on ds gives lower cooldown+longer duration(=more -/+ armor)

~Robbie

[Rofl_Lobster]

Get codex instead, then...

I don't think you understand why he does it. He gets SOTM on pyro so he can BURST chronos. If chronos is half health and you can kill him in one hit, he can't rewind it. Codex is just another nuke that can be rewound.

I wouldn't get it on pyro though. Might as well get sheepstick.

[ChikenMcTest]

What about Electrician?

It gives the bounce to Cleansing Shock?

[Linkness]

What about Electrician?

It gives the bounce to Cleansing Shock?

But no-one thinks about that hero D:

[TaeYeon]

I don't think you understand why he does it. He gets SOTM on pyro so he can BURST chronos. If chronos is half health and you can kill him in one hit, he can't rewind it. Codex is just another nuke that can be rewound.

I wouldn't get it on pyro though. Might as well get sheepstick.
Well I don't think you quite understand how rewind works. If you use Codex immediately after ult that Chronos will die. Mind you it's a delayed healing.

Personally I'm a huge fan of SotM on Nymph. Being able to port a full team, or saving that teammate who's being 5-man raped is just golden. I can also bring teammates who just respawned or bought back right back to the other side of the map to join the fight again.

[JONNyG]

Get codex instead, then...
Nah hellflower is wayyyy better for pyro. Since his ferver stacks, the attack speed really helps put down some charges (which have gotten me quite a few kills when someone was going to get away) and the 20% increased damage and silence gives his ult a serious true damage boost, and gives pyro an extra disable for a hero like chronos since he cant leap away.

[c0rrosive]

Get codex instead, then...

woops I kinda processed that wrong when I was typing. I meant sheepstick (notorious counter against hard carries) Staff is like a never-get on pyro IMHO

[papwned]

Get codex instead, then...

exactly

[liq3]

I consider it core on these :devo::phar::vood::chip: and optional on these (it's good, but not needed) :magm::soulr::poll::slit::andr::wret::tort::ophe:. I'd never get it on anyone else.

[dsqc]

:chro: Late game, 5-6th item
:chip: Core
:swif: Depends on by build
:vood: Core
:glac: trollololol

No I don't do staff on :nymp::phar: because it's not needed for these heroes.
And before you just yell at me for getting staff on sb and chornos tell me why I am doing something wrong.

[painkiller`]

Why are people rating :StaffOfTheMaster: so lowly on :thun:? His sole job is to nuke people down, and anything that helps him with it is good on him. :StaffOfTheMaster: also gives him stats, so it's preferred over other nuking items (like a :Codex:).

Notail makes it every game he plays :thun:. Why don't people consider it core on him?

[SNNZ]

GOOD: :chip::vood::poll::ophe::nymp::phar:
SITUATIONAL: :slit::soulr::deme::plag::magm:
NOOBTASTIC: :witc::pyro::moon::thun:

you can see sotm on thunderbringer in competitive games,
so ots not
noobtastic as you put it.

[potoBest]

thunderbringer's job after he can no longer instantly kill people is to do a lot of team damage, and sotm adds a lot of team damage

I still don't much like the item on him, but it's certainly better than it is on witch/pyro

[Fetyukov]

So many heroes being left out... these are all the heroes according to hondb.com it effects, and if it is worth it, going from Core to Luxury, Situational and Money better spent elsewhere

Core:
:nymp: This ability is ****ing cool, and comes in handy more than you'd think.
:ophe: Nothing better for your cash except maybe an astrolabe. Either way, definitely worth it for 4 times the healing power.
:poll: Every time
:thun: AKA the "Notail" build, it's actually quite a strong item on him if purchased early. The difference in teamfights is significant (rather than Killsteals), and Thunderbringer is defined by his early game usefulness. Honestly, this item has a bad rep on him for its killstealing power, but should not be used as such.
:chip: I couldn't name a hero SOTM is more core on.

Luxury:
:devo: If you find you can get (near) full duration on your ulti, sure why not?
:phar: It's cool, worth the cash, but most of the time an early puzzlebox will do you more good.
:tort: after sac stone and FFP/heart sure why not.
:vood: If you're doing it right you shouldn't have enough gold for this. But if you do, it is potent.
:wret: Damage is decent, but the cooldown is where it's at. Almost a minute lower, meaning it doesn't have to be saved just for teamfights and can assist in ganks/small 2v2 battles. Another "get it if you can get it early" item.

Situational:
:andr: (I personally like it, constant ninja swaps allow you to be extraordinarily useful in teamfights)
:deme: If you're making a strong -armour (or need to counter a -armour) team this works fine, but not to useful in general.
:glac: The damage increase is actually pretty decent on a very damage-tastic ult (a little over 20%). The opportunity for a strong ass-kicking Glacius is rare, but if it exists this is definately a possibility above other items.
:moon: Rape the midlane and get it in time for ganking it can really turn you into a machine against a low disable team, but most of the time, shrunken head is a better pick-up.
:plag: Good if you have strong AOE disable (tempest etc) and can get all the bounces off, poor otherwise.
:slit: Does some good damage, but nothing special. Only get it if your team has the ability to kill any of those 1hp heroes.
:elec: Good against a team of summoned units (puzzleboxes, warbeast etc)

Money better spent elsewhere:
:accu: 1 extra second on ult just not worth it, get support items.
:chro: Stats are terrible, and change to ulti is minor for 4k gold.
:magm: This is terrible on magmus, an extra wave of ulti (around 110 damage) and a 20 second lower cd? Just not worth it. Save up for sheepstick.
:pyro: get a portal key and some wards instead.
:soulr: 40% hp kill to 48% hp kill, not worth it by a long shot, Icon of the godess before this.
:succ: Get a sheepstick for yet another disable instead, damage not worth it.
:swif: Two more bounces won't really do much for you.
:witc: Portal key. Wards. All this hero needs.

There ya go, feel free to debate this list, but now at least all the heroes are here.

[shibbidydoo]

So many heroes being left out... these are all the heroes according to hondb.com it effects, and if it is worth it, going from Core to Luxury, Situational and Money better spent elsewhere

Core:
:nymp: This ability is ****ing cool, and comes in handy more than you'd think.
:ophe: Nothing better for your cash except maybe an astrolabe. Either way, definitely worth it for 4 times the healing power.
:poll: Every time
:thun: AKA the "Notail" build, it's actually quite a strong item on him if purchased early. The difference in teamfights is significant (rather than Killsteals), and Thunderbringer is defined by his early game usefulness. Honestly, this item has a bad rep on him for its killstealing power, but should not be used as such.
:chip: I couldn't name a hero SOTM is more core on.

Luxury:
:devo: If you find you can get (near) full duration on your ulti, sure why not?
:phar: It's cool, worth the cash, but most of the time an early puzzlebox will do you more good.
:tort: after sac stone and FFP/heart sure why not.
:vood: If you're doing it right you shouldn't have enough gold for this. But if you do, it is potent.
:wret: Damage is decent, but the cooldown is where it's at. Almost a minute lower, meaning it doesn't have to be saved just for teamfights and can assist in ganks/small 2v2 battles. Another "get it if you can get it early" item.

Situational:
:andr: (I personally like it, constant ninja swaps allow you to be extraordinarily useful in teamfights)
:deme: If you're making a strong -armour (or need to counter a -armour) team this works fine, but not to useful in general.
:glac: The damage increase is actually pretty decent on a very damage-tastic ult (a little over 20%). The opportunity for a strong ass-kicking Glacius is rare, but if it exists this is definately a possibility above other items.
:moon: Rape the midlane and get it in time for ganking it can really turn you into a machine against a low disable team, but most of the time, shrunken head is a better pick-up.
:plag: Good if you have strong AOE disable (tempest etc) and can get all the bounces off, poor otherwise.
:slit: Does some good damage, but nothing special. Only get it if your team has the ability to kill any of those 1hp heroes.
:elec: Good against a team of summoned units (puzzleboxes, warbeast etc)

Money better spent elsewhere:
:accu: 1 extra second on ult just not worth it, get support items.
:chro: Stats are terrible, and change to ulti is minor for 4k gold.
:magm: This is terrible on magmus, an extra wave of ulti (around 110 damage) and a 20 second lower cd? Just not worth it. Save up for sheepstick.
:pyro: get a portal key and some wards instead.
:soulr: 40% hp kill to 48% hp kill, not worth it by a long shot, Icon of the godess before this.
:succ: Get a sheepstick for yet another disable instead, damage not worth it.
:swif: Two more bounces won't really do much for you.
:witc: Portal key. Wards. All this hero needs.

There ya go, feel free to debate this list, but now at least all the heroes are here.
Agree on all counts except voodoo. I consider it his big item.

PSupply/bottle/chalice>boots of choice>shrunken head>sotm.

Although with trilanes everywhere, i can see why he should never have it, but still, i consider it core.

[Llama]

Worth the math on voodoo

DPS goes from 400 to 500

Targets go from 2 to 3

800 to 1500 total, probably the biggest difference there right?

Of course getting a good ult off is another thing, but w/e

[EDIT] Staff on plague is like staff on tb. Far, far better items to pick.

[Fetyukov]

Agree on all counts except voodoo. I consider it his big item.

PSupply/bottle/chalice>boots of choice>shrunken head>sotm.

Although with trilanes everywhere, i can see why he should never have it, but still, i consider it core.

The main difference between a damage booster like Pollywogs wards and VJ is that VJ has to channel his ult. The damage increase is MASSIVE, but if they have one of MANY heroes with activated or passive stuns (trust me, there's a lot) or silences you've purchased a 4400 gold blue stick.

Which means to even make that possible, a further 3900 gold must be spent on a shrunken head as well (and even then, hellbringer and pestilence etc can still stop you in your tracks). 8300 is a lot of gold to get off this amazing ult, and is only really possible in long (read: 50+ minute) games for VJ to get that kind of farm, when many other items can benefit the team more in the short run. But, if the game seems like you can get to 50 minutes with 8300 it is a very potent item, which is why I put it in the "Luxury" catagory.

Now, if you're facing a no-stun or silence team than I don't think you'll have enough time to farm the glowstone before you win anyways.

[DrunkHON]

Thunderbringer with staff and refresher is pretty good, instant 1100 mg dmg to enemy team.

[DrunkHON]

The main difference between a damage booster like Pollywogs wards and VJ is that VJ has to channel his ult. The damage increase is MASSIVE, but if they have one of MANY heroes with activated or passive stuns (trust me, there's a lot) or silences you've purchased a 4400 gold blue stick.

Which means to even make that possible, a further 3900 gold must be spent on a shrunken head as well (and even then, hellbringer and pestilence etc can still stop you in your tracks). 8300 is a lot of gold to get off this amazing ult, and is only really possible in long (read: 50+ minute) games for VJ to get that kind of farm, when many other items can benefit the team more in the short run. But, if the game seems like you can get to 50 minutes with 8300 it is a very potent item, which is why I put it in the "Luxury" catagory.

Now, if you're facing a no-stun or silence team than I don't think you'll have enough time to farm the glowstone before you win anyways.It's not that hard to get off a good ult without shrunken as voodoo. Hide in the trees or wait for the enemies to blow their stuns, then ult in the middle of a fight. My personal favorite is at kongor: if a teamfight is going down there hide behind kong and ult...people never notice you until its too late.

Staff really makes voodoo a lot better and should be picked up first if at all possible.

[potoBest]

it's fairly hard to get enough mana to viably afford double ult as TB (you might just be able to afford it, but then you're out of mana)

you're better off going for a sheepstick in most cases

[Midya]

Edit. nvm @ necro, forum displayed date badly and thought this was a thread from Jan.

Its an insanely good item on a hero like :chip: and an insanely bad one on heroes like :pyro::moon::glac::succ::witc::swif::chro::magm:. Especially bad on :succ:. Seriously, never get it on :succ:.

I would call it situational on all the other heroes,with some(:vood:for example) getting more use then others(:deme:).

[Decency]

Carries like Chronos/MQ/Swiftblade should not be getting SotM except maybe as a 3rd or 4th luxury item. They need to hit stuff, not rely on spells. Witch Slayer and Pyro should not be getting SotM because 4300 gold for 100-200 damage is terrible.

I personally really like it on Pollywog, Pharaoh, Demented Shaman, Wretched Hag, Soul Reaper, Voodoo Jester, and Chipper because they really benefit from the stats and the effect. Utility ultimates such as Nymphora's, Andromeda's, Ophelia's, are good to have too. For bonus damage like Plague Rider, Magmus, Thunderbringer, Glacius, Torturer, Devourer, etc. it can be good too.

Finally, it needs to be ported for Bubbles and Legionnaire.


By the way: http://www.honwiki.net/wiki/Staff_of_the_Master

[Hyd]

when will people learn that items depend not just on your hero but on your team line up, the enemy line up, strategy and other variables within the current game

[Puchi]

this thread again...
l2p use search plxplx

but anyways...

get it on: :poll::devo::chip:
descent on: :phar::soulr::vood::nymp::ophe::wret::magm::swif:t ort:

[calm]

despite what people think:

sotm is a standard item you commonly see on TB
sotm is a viable option on pyro/ws, if you can't farm anything else, mostly for the good stats and buildup.

it's even possibly viable on heroes like swiftblade (but in very rare circumstances)

[shibbidydoo]

despite what people think:

sotm is a standard item you commonly see on TB
sotm is a viable option on pyro/ws, if you can't farm anything else, mostly for the good stats and buildup.

it's even possibly viable on heroes like swiftblade (but in very rare circumstances)
To be honest it has terrible stats. The only thing good on it is the glowstone. For survivability, you could get a glowstone+void talisman+mystic vestments, which just saved you like 1200, and i can guarantee you that a void talisman and vestments will give you more survivability that this staff could ever hope to.

[Relinquish`]

:tort: <---- CORE! oO :StaffOfTheMaster::StaffOfTheMaster:

[Loki]

I don't like it on Pharaoh simply because allied heroes will stand in the way of your initiation.


For any hero where it's a constant damage increase, staff is bad. For most others it's good. It still depends on the effect it gives though, eg. chronos staff is not worth it at all.

[RoxxorBoxxor]

Core (aka get it ASAP or GTFO):
:phar::poll::chip::ophe: :plag::andr: (last 2 only if someone else gets wards and astrolabe if you have money for all three of them)
Can be gotten after core (aka useful):
:thun::magm::devo::tort: :vood::slit::deme: (last 3 only if someone else gets wards and astrolabe or if you have money for all three of them)
No-No (aka there are so many better items):
Any other hero.

[Volkova``]

Core item if you're dominating (become a luxury item if not) :
:devo: :wret: :chip: :vood: :magm: (for mag, if you can get a PK before the 15:00, the quadkill/annihilation is quite common)

Luxury item :
:andr::slit::ophe::nymp::poll::phar::thun:

Situationnal :
:deme::glac::plag: (usefull against pub)

"Omfg I banlisted you" :
:elec::witc::succ::swif::moon::pyro::chro::tort::a ccu:

[Ekamo]

It is good on :tort: since it just like slithers ulti can increase the damag by alot. It maybe doesn't sound much if you have it on for 10 sec it will defiently be worth the price.
:magm: Don't flame magmus with Sotm. It is really great. It doesn't just decrease the cd on ulti and increase the damage. It increaes the RADIUS which is what is important. Means you will affect more players with your ulti.

[Ranzo]

I consider it as pretty good on :magm: after his bottle/pk since he needs stats, which it gives and it helps him scale better into late game and bring even more teamfight presence

[shibbidydoo]

Core item if you're dominating (become a luxury item if not) :
:devo: :wret: :chip: :vood: :magm: (for mag, if you can get a PK before the 15:00, the quadkill/annihilation is quite common)

Luxury item :
:andr::slit::ophe::nymp::poll::phar::thun:

Situationnal :
:deme::glac::plag: (usefull against pub)

"Omfg I banlisted you" :
:elec::witc::succ::swif::moon::pyro::chro::tort::a ccu:
Seriously, its situational pick on electrician as a counter pick. Its a purge+80% slow on a 15 second cooldown on 3 targets. Use it to counter pestilence and jeri. As for the rest, yeah, pretty much.

[Fetyukov]

It is good on :tort: since it just like slithers ulti can increase the damag by alot. It maybe doesn't sound much if you have it on for 10 sec it will defiently be worth the price.
:magm: Don't flame magmus with Sotm. It is really great. It doesn't just decrease the cd on ulti and increase the damage. It increaes the RADIUS which is what is important. Means you will affect more players with your ulti.

But, if you read the mechanics of Magmus's skill you'd see that the ult is only as large as the new radius in the last .3 seconds, the new damage is pitiful and the cooldown is barely decreased.

This item is terrible on magmus, I cringe every time I see it.

Here are a list of magmus items more useful than SOTM even if fully farmed out
:KuldrasSheepstick::DaemonicBreastplate:Frostfield Plate::PostHaste::ShrunkenHead::Puzzlebox:

Every single one of those items offers more to you and your team than Staff of the master.