What's with all the pure damage?

[Fantasy111]

Thunderbringers blast of lightning

Succubus's ult

Demented Shamans Heal

and others I may be forgetting. None of the ones listed above did pure in WC3 DoTA. Is this intended? If not it sure makes those heros a whole heck of a lot better...

[Chiffa]

I'm pretty sure Shaman's heal does physical damage, succi's ult is magic and TB's lightning is magic + 3-11% of current hp based on level of lightning rod.

[Fantasy111]

Are you sure succubus's ult is magic? There's no way...

[ElementUser]

Chiffa is correct. I can't think of too many pure damage spells off the top of my head (other than Jereziah's Inner Light) in HoN.

Oh right there's also Blood Hunter's ultmate (Hemorrhage) and Heartache like NimrodD said below

[NimrodD]

Succubus ulti is magic, however her heartache is true damage.

[Conscripted]

I understand why Heartache is pure damage: if you could counter it with magic armor, it would be twice as effective as usual.

Takes 300 damage from you, heals succubus for 300 damage.
with magic armor, if it worked, takes 200 damage from you, heals succubus for 200 damage.

Get it?

[ToxicHobo]

Jere's heal
Damage from jester's DoT (I forgot the name :p. maledict is it's dota counterpart)

[ElementUser]

Maledict/Cursed Ground is magical damage AFAIK

[Dustbin]

Ophelia's nuke is true damage, quite a big amount too 300-400.

[Stergeary]

I understand why Heartache is pure damage: if you could counter it with magic armor, it would be twice as effective as usual.

Takes 300 damage from you, heals succubus for 300 damage.
with magic armor, if it worked, takes 200 damage from you, heals succubus for 200 damage.

Get it?

That makes no sense. How is the spell more effective by being counterable with magic armor? Also Heartache doesn't heal based on how much damage was dealt; it always heals 300 health without regard to whether the unit has that much health remaining or whether the 300 damage was dealt in full.

[noi_nai_tan]

That makes no sense. How is the spell more effective by being counterable with magic armor?

He was referring to additional magic armor/resistance as being more effective, not the heartache spell.

[Llama]

jeres heal, ophies nuke, the (move only) damage from BHs ulti and succubuses heartache (and sleep) are the only i can think of. the rest listed here are physical/magic...

[Sw4n]

Thunderbringers blast of lightning

Succubus's ult

Demented Shamans Heal

and others I may be forgetting. None of the ones listed above did pure in WC3 DoTA. Is this intended? If not it sure makes those heros a whole heck of a lot better...

none of the spells you listed deal pure damage, how does that make you feel?

[Desirable]

Pretty much fail.
Got 0 out of 3 right.

[`14FAussie]

There are two spells that do pure damage.

Bane's sap
Omni's heal

If you don't know what these are then I don't see how and why you are crying about "pure" damage.

Zues's bolt seems to strong because static.

[Killroy]

Ophelia's nuke is supposed to be true/pure damage but if you test it out you will find out it does far from the expected 300-400 damage. If I hit people with it, it more or less does something in the lines of 200-300 damage max.

[`14FAussie]

Because it isn't worked into the game as "true damage" the damage improved is due to the pestilence spell he has increasing the damage given.

[xanitose]

why is it the forum mods don't know this game.....jez's inner light is true damage, succubus heart ache, and mesmerize are true damage, opehlia's nuke or whats ever its called is true damage. Succubus' mesmerize has the ability to deny any allied hero that has below 60hp becuase of the damage tic's. There are very few other skills yet to be in the game that to pure/ true damage. most are physical or magical damage and those can be reduced by armor or magic resitance.

edited: the damage from BH's ulti is not pure damage but direct HP removal based on the distance which is just about the same thing but coded different and can be reduced by regen unlinke pure damage

[Atsuko]

why is it the forum mods don't know this game.....

Maybe because moderating a forum for a game has nothing to do with playing the game? He's here to make sure stuff stays on topic, topics are in the right place, and that we act civil, not pass down divine wisdom.

[tidi_kodo]

Everyone seems to forget about Orchid aka someflower ;P . I dont remember the HoN name. It deals 20% of dealt damage after 5 seconds in true dmg.

[Maxter1]

why is it the forum mods don't know this game.....jez's inner light is true damage, succubus heart ache, and mesmerize are true damage, opehlia's nuke or whats ever its called is true damage. Succubus' mesmerize has the ability to deny any allied hero that has below 60hp becuase of the damage tic's. There are very few other skills yet to be in the game that to pure/ true damage. most are physical or magical damage and those can be reduced by armor or magic resitance.

edited: the damage from BH's ulti is not pure damage but direct HP removal based on the distance which is just about the same thing but coded different and can be reduced by regen unlinke pure damage

What exactly did the forum mod say wrong?

btw, i reckon BH's ulti has pure Initial dmge.

[Frog100]

Thunderbringers blast of lightning

Succubus's ult

Demented Shamans Heal

and others I may be forgetting. None of the ones listed above did pure in WC3 DoTA. Is this intended? If not it sure makes those heros a whole heck of a lot better...

None of those are pure.

[RapeGhost]

I see pure damage as a way to balance moves that would otherwise have trouble.

Edit* We would hate to see tons of nerfs and buffs creating a lot of unbalance. I wouldn't mind seeing other types of damage to make this game even deeper.

[edxs]

btw, i reckon BH's ulti has pure Initial
dmge.

Looks like it.

[Chiffa]

btw, i reckon BH's ulti has pure Initial dmge.
says "magic" in tooltip still.
Damage dealt via movement is true damage tho.

[Trysaeder]

If it is magical, then it is a 25% nerf to BH compared to the dota version.

[ElementUser]

Nevermind

[krucifix]

They are talking about Bloodseeker (BloodHunter).

:)

[ElementUser]

Oh ok nevermind then <_<

I don't think it does magical damage in HoN though. In DotA initial hit is pure

Proof from Tales' triggered skill guide:


Rupture: Finally, make Strygwyr damage the target with 50+100*Rupture level with Attack Type Hero, Damage Type Fire.

Bolded line is synonymous with pure damage

[Zombie_Jesu1]

puppets backlash may also be true damage

[Tyrando]

It's Whiplash, and its Physical.