About LOAD's ventcast on Honcast

[PuK]

So we all know breaky is famous for his "I'll tell you the obvious stuff that you can already see with your own eyes"
Now he just invented the "i'll repeat what you just heard".
Chu: "Omg i can't solo bottom"
Breaky: "so chu is not happy about his lane"

Thank for the info breaky, very helpfull, meanwhile someone from LOAD said something on vent and we heard nothing. :-/

Some people may like, and some may not like his "I'll tell you the obvious stuff that you can already see with your own eyes", i personnally hate it but that's not rly the point i want to make here, the point was that u were speaking while loaded's player were speaking, that was just too far for me as it was to say completly useless stuff, and that made me rage.

I really like ventcast, but if we can't hear what the players says, what's the point?

I know its new for you and you're trying it out. That's just my point of view here, maybe other ppl have different opinions but IMO, there is no point doing a ventcast if we can't hear the players, especially if you're saying useless stuffs. It'd be OK if it was actual insight on the game, but its not, its just parasite noise rly.

Sorry if it seemed harsh, i didnt mean to be.

Peace.

[Rxz]

Annoys my balls too, happened with the last ventcast. Should just record the team imo.

[Hurfdurf]

I wouldn't mind a little commentary from breaky, but yeah, most of it was useless information.

[Pathogen`]

Breaky NEEDS to hear his own voice, that's what I've discovered over the past few months.

Check out a lot of the casts where is the camera man - there will be a big team fight going on, and he'll SEE it starting, but he'll switch over to someone stunned in the jungle just so he can say "AND MAGMUS IS STUNNED IN THE JUNGLE HE CAN'T GET IN THERE AND FIGHT OH AND NOW HE'S USING HIS ULTIMATE WILL HE GET THERE IN TIME".

meanwhile a team has been genocided

[SmokeFx]

Agreed. Breaky really doesn't need to talk for ventcasts.

[ZabatieI]

I like the comments of breaky during the vent cast, the cast get more interesting with that.

[Amarali]

Gosh, are you people still grinding on that? You no laik - you no watch.

That is his style, so suggesting that he completely changes what's unique about him is just pointless. You either like it or hate it, and that's that >_>...

[BadaBing]

Its so annoying.

But I guess Breaky wont copy the Vent-cast idea from GR and adds his own personal touch. -even though that touch makes the product worse.

[LEjEUNE]

Thank you for this incredibly useful piece of information PuK. We wouldn't have realized unless you stated the obvious. See what I did there? As for BreakyCPK, it didn't really disturb me at all.

[Kolapz]

Load:"Yo, how we gonna lane?!"
Breaky:"So they're not sure how they're gonna lane yet."

lol

[Z1D]

I heard a rumor that chu's pudge is 45,000 times better than bkid's

[renzo]

I totally agree with the OP. I hope this doesn't sound harsh Breaky but you really shouldn't be talking at all during ventcasts. It'd be understandable if you started filling some dead air on a very quiet/boring vent but not only was Load's vent fairly active/entertaining/informative but you were talking over the players all the time, which completely defeats the purpose of having a ventcast.

Not sure if this assumption is correct but it seemed like you started freaking every time vent went silent for 3-4 secs and felt the need to fill in the air, and then would not interrupt your thought after they started to talk again. At one point mid-game you started to play-by-play, while Load players were talking.

Basically just relax, mute yourself, and play cameraman unless you get an extremely quiet ventcast, and even then make sure to hold your thought when the players start talking again as that really took away from the cast.

I'm aware you're under heavy scrutiny all the time so hopefully you don't take it personally, I tried making this post as constructive as possible.

[JonnyL]

I heard a rumor that breakyCPK is becoming useless by his own invention.

oh teh irony

[Mike`]

All that should be heard in a Ventcast is the vent, no casters.

PuK best!!!!

:doct::doct::doct::doct::doct:

[OmniKnight]

To be fair, it is the job of a play-by-play caster (of any sport) to fairly continuously describe what's going on.

However, that doesn't excuse the total lack of basic statistics citing in the casts during "downtime". Professional sports casters do this all the time to keep what they're saying both interesting and worthwhile to the listeners. I wouldn't mind so much the 8 mentions per game that :dark: is trying to farm a Runed Axe if they were also consistently throwing out statistics and other facts we as an educated audience wouldn't already know. - The other major issue I see is that no one but breaky seems to want to jump in and start talking when another person stops. Everyone else always has to be directly asked what they're thinking at the moment rather than them just automatically contributing once the person currently talking stops. Because of the frequency in which it happens, it's both disruptive and makes it seem like the others don't really want to be there.

[Grace]

Go find something worthwhile to complain about.

[ShadowsCrush]

He's the John Madden of HoN, how can you hate on that!

[snow`]

I much prefer the ventcasts done by GR. you listen to a ventcast to hear the VENT, not breaky. Agree with the OP 100%. its hard to understand what they are saying in vent if breaky is talking over them

[Anghkor]

Load:"Yo, how we gonna lane?!"
Breaky:"So they're not sure how they're gonna lane yet."

lol
This made me laugh.

[Alba]

it is possible to say it in a polite way you know, no need to go all iMAD

[BreakyCPK]

Well like said in the DrDz vent cast and the LOAD vent cast, these are trials for a reason... honestly I wasn't planning on talking when we first came about the idea, however people were complaining about just hearing the vent was boring and would like to at least have some bit of talking from myself as well.

This is another one of those you can't win situations which seems like most of the work Honcast has done lately is about... because of the community we deal with and vast spread of ideas/wants towards a feature. It is clear that you are not a fan of my casting style from the points you make in your post which is fine and I have no problem with that, however for those that do actually prefer that I talk and at least try commentate some battles. I have no problem doing another vent cast and JUST doing the vent and then getting feedback from that as well, which tbh what I was planning on doing anyways cause again this was a new idea :).

Thank you for the feedback though, all be it like usual in a very pissed off and sarcastic manner, will make some adjustments for a future one and then receive the feedback from that one.

[Frylock]

Breaky you oughta stick to what you do best - casting the action. I see no reason to have you involved in any ventcast. There's little talking to do, mostly just camera work and idle comments to fill the void.

[tohta6]

Hey yo, can I join the HonCast staff cause I think I know more about the stats/strats than breaky/phil/henryd. Its interesting (ie annoying) when breaky will comment on item pickups and then ignore an extremely important item development for 10 minutes and say "well looks like they finally got sheepstick."

Overall though, breaky is much easier to listen to than henry, phil, or essentially anyone on the HCT. There was a guest caster once who was pretty knowledgable, but the other caster went all "I'm the leader and imma talk over your actual important info." Breaky has his own style, do not attempt to plagiarize mane.

[canikizu]

Listening to vencast alone is boring, that is true, so breaky is right when he says that he want to feel the silent gap with his ranting. Of course it's hard to predict if players are about to talk or not, sometimes breaky can't help but talk over players, making it annoying sometimes. But they are trying it out, so leave it be.

[PUB5TAR]

About HoNcast being lack luster, I don't think it has been. I think it's been more HoNcast like we're used to and Breaky is without a doubt THE voice of HoNcast. Really you guys just need some more charisma in your caster lineup. All your other casters are fairly good, but they tend to be quiet and reserved.

Bottom line is that HoNcast is essentially radio/television and it pays to have someone with a strong voice that will keep your audience engaged. You've got Breaky already, supplement that with someone who has played 1800 bracket who can establish strong rapport with Breaky in terms of sound quality.

How will you find this person?

<Insert HoNcast Promotional Event Here>

[Talesavo]

I like my ventcasts sans HC staff.

[Netukka]

Seriously, breaky BARELY talked during the cast. And most of the time he wasnt speaking loudly at all. Barely noticeable and definitely not annoying. Seriously no reason to cry about him blocking the vent chat because he isnt.

Only time he raised his voice was when he was doing the pregame when the vent wasnt even on and when devo hooked ss (which was hilarious btw).

[FourCourtJester]

GameReplays have been doing ventcasts for a long while (ie - pre-retail) with teams that agree to it. And we post just that - their vent.

That's why its called a ventcast -_-. Because theres no commentator casting in it; its just the teams as they play with a cameraman syncing them up.

For those that want just pure ventcasts, try some of the GameReplay-recorded ones; holyftw is tracking clans DM, unZ and CeM currently. 100% pure team chat.

On Topic : Whenever I listen to a ventcast, I'm just wanting to listen to the teams as they play. I find its more pure than having a commentator help overlay it, because of said reasons above (talk crashing, volume differences, etc).

My 2c.

[Shatnerr]

Although you do listen to listen to the players, I thought he did a good job of talking at a minimum and keeping casting going while they weren't talking (which was limited anyways).

I really like the vent casts though and look forward to more!

[PuK]

Well like said in the DrDz vent cast and the LOAD vent cast, these are trials for a reason... honestly I wasn't planning on talking when we first came about the idea, however people were complaining about just hearing the vent was boring and would like to at least have some bit of talking from myself as well.

This is another one of those you can't win situations which seems like most of the work Honcast has done lately is about... because of the community we deal with and vast spread of ideas/wants towards a feature. It is clear that you are not a fan of my casting style from the points you make in your post which is fine and I have no problem with that, however for those that do actually prefer that I talk and at least try commentate some battles. I have no problem doing another vent cast and JUST doing the vent and then getting feedback from that as well, which tbh what I was planning on doing anyways cause again this was a new idea :).

Thank you for the feedback though, all be it like usual in a very pissed off and sarcastic manner, will make some adjustments for a future one and then receive the feedback from that one.

Cheers bro!

Sorry for the "flame", just realised it looks like one of those "rage thread" which wasn't my intention.

I understand your dilemna. Maybe doing a "no comment" ventcast would be a way to please "the other side", so everyone can find what he's looking for at honcast. :)

[Seektruth]

At least he set up a vent cast with LOAD, what have you done?

[SmokeFx]

Breaky I like your stuff in normal casts, but agree with those who say additional input by you in ventcasts is unnecessary/unwanted.

If you feel there is disagreement in the community make a poll?

[BillDjango]

GameReplays have been doing ventcasts for a long while (ie - pre-retail) with teams that agree to it. And we post just that - their vent.

That's why its called a ventcast -_-. Because theres no commentator casting in it; its just the teams as they play with a cameraman syncing them up.

For those that want just pure ventcasts, try some of the GameReplay-recorded ones; holyftw is tracking clans DM, unZ and CeM currently. 100% pure team chat.

On Topic : Whenever I listen to a ventcast, I'm just wanting to listen to the teams as they play. I find its more pure than having a commentator help overlay it, because of said reasons above (talk crashing, volume differences, etc).

My 2c.

Oh here we go, GR vs HCT all over again.........

[Fuga]

GameReplays have been doing ventcasts for a long while (ie - pre-retail) with teams that agree to it. And we post just that - their vent.

That's why its called a ventcast -_-. Because theres no commentator casting in it; its just the teams as they play with a cameraman syncing them up.

For those that want just pure ventcasts, try some of the GameReplay-recorded ones; holyftw is tracking clans DM, unZ and CeM currently. 100% pure team chat.

On Topic : Whenever I listen to a ventcast, I'm just wanting to listen to the teams as they play. I find its more pure than having a commentator help overlay it, because of said reasons above (talk crashing, volume differences, etc).

My 2c.

im not in gr clan so its ok for me to say this

[Ernie888]

Oh here we go, GR vs HCT all over again.........

He just gave an opinion and a lil advertisment like your sig from what i can see.

I could say a ventcast is when someone sits on the toilet listening to the echo of poo hitting the water and that i've been doing it for months since pre-HoN. So if you wanna come listen to my poo echoing, hit me up, ill stream it some day. I've also been tracking my gf's poo echoes and they dont echo as much. Fact. :mali: maliken cuz he looks like he's really trying hard to squeeze one out.

[RiskZero]

Well like said in the DrDz vent cast and the LOAD vent cast, these are trials for a reason... honestly I wasn't planning on talking when we first came about the idea, however people were complaining about just hearing the vent was boring and would like to at least have some bit of talking from myself as well.

This is another one of those you can't win situations which seems like most of the work Honcast has done lately is about... because of the community we deal with and vast spread of ideas/wants towards a feature. It is clear that you are not a fan of my casting style from the points you make in your post which is fine and I have no problem with that, however for those that do actually prefer that I talk and at least try commentate some battles. I have no problem doing another vent cast and JUST doing the vent and then getting feedback from that as well, which tbh what I was planning on doing anyways cause again this was a new idea :).

Thank you for the feedback though, all be it like usual in a very pissed off and sarcastic manner, will make some adjustments for a future one and then receive the feedback from that one.

Hey Breaky! I just wanted to put my 0.02 cents in here hope you dont mind! :thun:

Firstly let me just thank you for all your hard work that goes on to produce, edit and cast all these games that have helped me and countless others as well as entertained many.

Now for my 0.02 I personally dont like vent cast's. It does nothing to help a person gain any insight into a game or reasoning's than if you just watched the replay from the HoN client. Really what did you learn when bkid said "YO YO YO PHARO HEADED TOP BACK DODO BACK" you know what I learned from that? "RiskZero: Mid mia, inc top, back." You know what part was a ton of fun to watch? When bkid went to get the dd rune bot and ended up getting ganked. If breaky didnt say anything during that section all you would have heard is a sigh. Nothing was said, no excitement, no BUT AT WHAT COST, nothing. That's BORING.

I say go back to just your regular cast's I personally enjoy them. I think you do an excellent job doing the cast's and your intensity is fun.

Please, dont let the people that have apparently never watched an event or game on TV tell you that your casting is bad because your describing whats happening on the screen. Seriously, these people need to /wrists. You're an idiot if you're one of these people. THAT IS CASTING. Dont like it? Make your own, put all that effort trying to do whatever it is you think casting is as your clan of 4 watch it and tell you its good when they really make fun of you behind your back at how much time you waste putting together ****.

Oh and a side thought that just popped into my head. Since there definetly seems to be a community that enjoy the vent cast's thats fine, I say take that opportunity to use vent cast's to give yourself a break. Dont talk just let the ventcast run threw and you take a break from casting/watching games etc.

ps - bkid if you happen to read this by some long shot, I'm in no way picking on you or calling you out. Those were the examples that came to mind is all. UNLESS YOUR :madm: 1v1? :tund:

[Hurfdurf]

What a disgustingly desperate attempt to plug gamereplays, lol.

[Proportie]

I honestly dont get ppl making a problem out of this.. an empty vent cast would be plain boring..

and play by play casting is just what breaky's good at.. Maybe he could pick his moments more carefull but I enjoy those casts alot :>

[Midya]

I liked the LOAD ventcast as a whole. While the obvious type comments have to go, it was a very good ventcast from my PoV.

@Further ventcasts. I think a ventcast without any sort of commentator input would be boring. Maybe not a LOAD ventcast(Bkid+Chu+Dodo on vent are a blast, so any LOAD ventcast is instant win) but another team, specially the team losing...that i wouldn't like without some commentator input.

[BreakyCPK]

Hey Breaky! I just wanted to put my 0.02 cents in here hope you dont mind! :thun:

Firstly let me just thank you for all your hard work that goes on to produce, edit and cast all these games that have helped me and countless others as well as entertained many.

Now for my 0.02 I personally dont like vent cast's. It does nothing to help a person gain any insight into a game or reasoning's than if you just watched the replay from the HoN client. Really what did you learn when bkid said "YO YO YO PHARO HEADED TOP BACK DODO BACK" you know what I learned from that? "RiskZero: Mid mia, inc top, back." You know what part was a ton of fun to watch? When bkid went to get the dd rune bot and ended up getting ganked. If breaky didnt say anything during that section all you would have heard is a sigh. Nothing was said, no excitement, no BUT AT WHAT COST, nothing. That's BORING.

I say go back to just your regular cast's I personally enjoy them. I think you do an excellent job doing the cast's and your intensity is fun.

Please, dont let the people that have apparently never watched an event or game on TV tell you that your casting is bad because your describing whats happening on the screen. Seriously, these people need to /wrists. You're an idiot if you're one of these people. THAT IS CASTING. Dont like it? Make your own, put all that effort trying to do whatever it is you think casting is as your clan of 4 watch it and tell you its good when they really make fun of you behind your back at how much time you waste putting together ****.

Oh and a side thought that just popped into my head. Since there definetly seems to be a community that enjoy the vent cast's thats fine, I say take that opportunity to use vent cast's to give yourself a break. Dont talk just let the ventcast run threw and you take a break from casting/watching games etc.

ps - bkid if you happen to read this by some long shot, I'm in no way picking on you or calling you out. Those were the examples that came to mind is all. UNLESS YOUR :madm: 1v1? :tund:

Don't worry, this by no means is a replacement for the way we currently do things, not even close to that in fact. Vent casts will be just a special weekly feature at the most if that, or for when it just happens to be convienient for our staff pending on the day/time. Our normal casting however will be the same and the much more used method for all future casts, so ya.

[zergscum]

I thought the whole thing was hilarious, especially when chu and bkid were arguing over who plays devo/soulstealer better

[LoOLwuT]

i personally dont see why people rage over this.. if you dont like how they do it download a replay. simple. i personally love watching honcast and have no problems how they do it. i thought the latest vent cast with load was amazing. load is my fav team and hearing them discuss strategy was fun. thx again honcast

[IULove]

I would love to hear LOAD talk strategy too, sadly, Breaky needed to feed his ego and be important. As per usual....

Go figure, once again, Honcast ****s up.

[PuK]

Why does everyone just respond with the "If u don't like it, download replay"?
Its not the point of the thread...

I actually watch replay instead of the VOD. (unless its a live final or i want to hear insight from a comp player)
It doesn't mean that i can't give feedback if i see something important that could be improved? That "commenting during ventcast" was shocking to me because you couldn't hear what players were saying!
And i wasn't the only one to think so apparently.

I'm pretty sure Honcast wants to grow and get bigger, so ignoring many potential viewers(based on how much ppl watch GR ventcast) just like that "u don't like it, dont watch it" would be stupid.

I know they're clearly trying to work on the "not enough comp insight", so they clearly care about what the rest of the community think (those who doesn't like honcast as much for that X or Y reason), thats why i'm giving a feedback.

Now if commented ventcast brings more viewers then fine. But it seems that if u're watching a ventcast, its to hear the vent. Otherwise u'll just watch the commentated version (if available) or the replay.

[``Phoenix]

Why don't you have the vent recording as a seperate audio player under the video; that way people have the option of:
a) Muting the video play by play and listening to the ventcast.
b) Listening to both at the same time by lowering the volume of the main video while boosting the ventcast, so they get both but can choose which one will speak over the other.
c) Not using the ventcast at all and solely watching your regular honcast video.

I don't know if this is practical, but it seems to me to be one way of letting the honcast viewer choose how they want to do it and leaves little room for complaint.

Another idea would be to have the choice like you had between progressive and streaming video - watch video with just the ventcast or normal play by play.

[Bartender]

I'm not sure why some people don't recognize that Breaky is legally retarded. He can't pronounce half of the **** he says, doesn't know how to use most idioms and only says about a handful of sentences and is payed simply because he can substitute nouns into those sentences.

[IULove]

Why don't you have the vent recording as a seperate audio player under the video; that way people have the option of:
a) Muting the video play by play and listening to the ventcast.
b) Listening to both at the same time by lowering the volume of the main video while boosting the ventcast, so they get both but can choose which one will speak over the other.
c) Not using the ventcast at all and solely watching your regular honcast video.

I don't know if this is practical, but it seems to me to be one way of letting the honcast viewer choose how they want to do it and leaves little room for complaint.

Another idea would be to have the choice like you had between progressive and streaming video - watch video with just the ventcast or normal play by play.

This is a great idea.

Sadly, Honcast will respond "No like, no watch" in an effort to look super professional and do what's best for competitive HoN.

Also, Bartender, I agree 100%. Every cast is the exact same, just substitute the heroes in each game with the heroes of the same role from previous games. Breaky's attempts and "being insightful" is just repeating each heroes role over and over in an attempt to sound like he has a clue.

[daggius]

cast was good wtf u kids crying bout. hrd enough for breaky to fit in a few comments in between the nonstop talking

[knowitall]

cast was good wtf u kids crying bout. hrd enough for breaky to fit in a few comments in between the nonstop talking

i think the point is that no one wanted breaky talking.

[Berra_la]

The problem isn't so much what is said. It's the commentators fear of being silent. If nothing is going on and there is no interesting side topic to talk about, just stfu... really. Or... bring more people with insight about the game. The worst part is when breaky is trying to be insightful himself. He's gotten better, but not because he understands the game... he's just repeating what he's seen while casting.

[CrimsonAdder]

Alright, so vent cast will continue and I have no problem with that, BUT AT WHAT COST!? :phar::phar::phar:

[lolsworth]

Loved the ventcast, Chu's voice is hilarious lolllllllllll

Breaky's comments did seem unnecessary but his minimal commentary wasn't bad or anything

[SmokeFx]

Do people overreact here or what.

No-one's raging or having a hissy fit. Just pointing out some opinions.

[man_guy]

Ventcast + Breaky inbetween really not working well. Ventcasts alone are fine. It might work if Breaky was in the same channel all game, not giving away positions and such, but I don't think any team would take it too well.

[scroll]

You faggots cry way too much, you're lucky you get to listen to a top team's vent, be happy with that.

[BillDjango]

The "no like, no watch" argument is valid. We can't please all of you. Period.

[ImScout]

Great cast. Love Breaky!!!!!!

"oh he takes the creeps, poor poor dwarf!" :D:D

[ObeseSheep]

Well like said in the DrDz vent cast and the LOAD vent cast, these are trials for a reason... honestly I wasn't planning on talking when we first came about the idea, however people were complaining about just hearing the vent was boring and would like to at least have some bit of talking from myself as well.

This is another one of those you can't win situations which seems like most of the work Honcast has done lately is about... because of the community we deal with and vast spread of ideas/wants towards a feature. It is clear that you are not a fan of my casting style from the points you make in your post which is fine and I have no problem with that, however for those that do actually prefer that I talk and at least try commentate some battles. I have no problem doing another vent cast and JUST doing the vent and then getting feedback from that as well, which tbh what I was planning on doing anyways cause again this was a new idea :).

Thank you for the feedback though, all be it like usual in a very pissed off and sarcastic manner, will make some adjustments for a future one and then receive the feedback from that one.

My cents on dis.
For the people who want change out of honcast but are to retarded to put constructive criticism on the table.
Why would you watch hon cast if you just wanted to see someone else do the camera work?... Play-by-play is good, and it really brings excitement to the cast. If it annoys you or you don't like it, grow a pair. I don't like Flint. Boring to play and watch and annoying to play against. Check my pants ladies.

breaky, great job man but somethings need to be said.
-lol. It's "unpro". Need I say more?
-you should really focus on getting some insight onto item and skill builds. Read around, read premium guides, read arguments. Stategy forums are a gold mine of Lethe telling people they are idiots. =D
It really hurts when I hear you say :HelmOfTheBlackLegio or :Mock: are good pick ups on :sand: especially after the nerfs to dissipate. If you read around you would have known why they are not and why :NullfireBlade: is prefered.
-Sometimes it really isn't necessary to say EVERYTHING you see. God, I can't think of examples that would help you. Sorry.
-Other small things I have forgotten.

GL, cheers. :plag:PLAGUUUUUUUUUUUUUU:plag: :plag: :plag: :plag: :plag: :plag:

[IceTrap]

So after reading all three pages the only thing I have take from this is a bunch of people saying "I like to watch things this way... this is the best way... the only way... I hate anyone that does something that is not 100% the way I want it RIGHT NOW"

STFU, and just watch the cast. Breaky I think you do a great job, as a caster you do a great job filling the void. Yes a lot of stuff you say is simple and just explaining stuff that we can see but that is also a good thing. I have had friends that are not good at the game *gasp* yes those people exist. That commented on things you pointed out so they could try that or learn from it.

So all in all, get your chuckles from all of the haters and keep doing the casts your way.

[Christened]

GameReplays have been doing ventcasts for a long while (ie - pre-retail) with teams that agree to it. And we post just that - their vent.

That's why its called a ventcast -_-. Because theres no commentator casting in it; its just the teams as they play with a cameraman syncing them up.

For those that want just pure ventcasts, try some of the GameReplay-recorded ones; holyftw is tracking clans DM, unZ and CeM currently. 100% pure team chat.

On Topic : Whenever I listen to a ventcast, I'm just wanting to listen to the teams as they play. I find its more pure than having a commentator help overlay it, because of said reasons above (talk crashing, volume differences, etc).

My 2c.

Why does it always have to be HC vs GR? Not calling you out specifically jester. Your post just happened to be in the thread. It just seems like both sites are trying to one-up each other when I think it would be easier to just post the casts and let the viewers go where they please.

[Hornet]

Please continue to do ventcasts of funny teams.

Chu's WTF reaction of hooking bkid made me laugh so hard as well as many other things.

[IULove]

The "no like, no watch" argument is valid. We can't please all of you. Period.

Not talking over players in a ventcast (where the whole purpose is to LISTEN to the players) isn't "not pleasing everyone" it's just stupid.

There's a huge difference between seeing someone say "Breaky have dumb voice, fire plz" and saying "too bad" as opposed to "Breaky has no clue what he's talking about, is extremely repetitive and shouldn't talk OVER the vent in a ventcast".

The first one, I'd agree, can't please him, too bad, not a big deal. The second one, can be fixed, easily. Breaky's just too damn self obsessed to bother taking any critism and just hides behind his mass of 1500 PSR dick-riders.

It's incredibly stupid and immature for a COMPANY that is pretty much the face of COMPETITIVE HoN to just laugh in the face of the competitive players going "nanana can't hear you".

As for the people saying, why do you watch it if you hate it so much? I watch it because it has so much potential. Breaky does have a great voice for casting, he has the energy and enthusiasm as well. The problem is, he doesn't even PLAY HoN. He watches it, he knows somewhat about its competitive side, but he has no real experience PLAYING the game.

It's sad to see that Zndr, who I absolutely detest was the only member of Honcast who made any effort to actually PLAY and learn the game. But of course he gets fired for having a clue.......

[PanterA]

I loooooveee ventcasts...and imo its better to just have the vent without the commentary..breaky is trying something new here with trying to commentate during team fights and what not.which is fine since majority of the people do enjoy that more then normal ventcasts...something jester/holyftw shuold take note of :P ...anyway
kittypurry is right, hes put it in the least offendable way and i hope you guys at HCT take note of this and stop with the same insight over and over again :) ..GL HF
PLAGUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

[BillDjango]

Not talking over players in a ventcast (where the whole purpose is to LISTEN to the players) isn't "not pleasing everyone" it's just stupid.

There's a huge difference between seeing someone say "Breaky have dumb voice, fire plz" and saying "too bad" as opposed to "Breaky has no clue what he's talking about, is extremely repetitive and shouldn't talk OVER the vent in a ventcast".

The first one, I'd agree, can't please him, too bad, not a big deal. The second one, can be fixed, easily. Breaky's just too damn self obsessed to bother taking any critism and just hides behind his mass of 1500 PSR dick-riders.

It's incredibly stupid and immature for a COMPANY that is pretty much the face of COMPETITIVE HoN to just laugh in the face of the competitive players going "nanana can't hear you".

As for the people saying, why do you watch it if you hate it so much? I watch it because it has so much potential. Breaky does have a great voice for casting, he has the energy and enthusiasm as well. The problem is, he doesn't even PLAY HoN. He watches it, he knows somewhat about its competitive side, but he has no real experience PLAYING the game.

It's sad to see that Zndr, who I absolutely detest was the only member of Honcast who made any effort to actually PLAY and learn the game. But of course he gets fired for having a clue.......

We can never do anything perfect. Case in point this. Someone will always ***** regardless of how we do things. Its a situation you can't win. If everyone hated it, they wouldn't watch it - and we would change how it was being delivered.

Pretty obvious that everyone doesn't hate it. Just a few vocal people on a forum. That video has been up for 24 hours now and has over 20k visits and 100 comments. If we did something and expected a huge turn out, and only get 4k on it - theres an obvious problem. However 20k+ hits in 24 hours on a single video is far from a poor turn out.

Bottom line. If you don't like our offering - feel free to go watch/listen somewhere else. We aren't forcing you to watch our streams. If something warrants being fixed, its fixed. Your comment about breaky - you do realize that honcast isn't ran single handedly by him right? If theres a problem and we ask him to fix it, he fixes it, however he does for the most part have creative control to try whatever he wants. If it doesn't work, he'll stop doing it.

Now on to Zndr. Not that its any of the communities business, but i'll comment on it. Zndr rarely shared his criticism with us, at least never to me personally or in vent when I was there. He wasn't let go for criticism even if you choose to believe everything you read on hongossip. People complained about zndr for months, he was given multiple warnings, and then staff started to complain as well. Simple as that.

If you think that breaky and phil don't make any effort to learn more about the game you are clearly clueless. Every single night, multiple times, I jump in on them playing ( not casting ). I'm sorry that breaky's casting schedule doesn't allow for him to play 15 hours a day like some people. Between school and honcast, his day is pretty busy. If he spent more time playing and less time casting - i'm sure people on the forums would ***** about it as well.

When it comes to knowledge - I bet breaky is more knowledgeable then you think... Do you cast? When your speaking publicly can you always deliver everything 100% perfect from memory? Get everything correct? It's not like he's reading from a damn teleprompter.

[BillDjango]

Note - a week or so ago I floated the idea of recording BOTH vents separately from the cast itself, for every match we can - and creating a separate player that would load under the video player where a person could listen to the vent chatter of either team, or both, along with the cast - or separate.

I tried PM'ing a few people from the larger teams to see if they'd be down. But never got a response back.

If your in a team that we frequently cast - and are interested in this. Please PM me. We could provide a vent and record the audio ourselves, or the audio could be submitted. Unrealistic to think this could happen for every cast, or for both teams on every cast - but I do think it would be a better way to handle vent casts.

[WorstPlayer]

The man you loved and praised so much when he first took the throne, and now you look down and spit on what he does. For shame... Shame on all of you.

On topic - I would rather a DRD ventcast. KingRaven is a funny dude.

[_24]

Not talking over players in a ventcast (where the whole purpose is to LISTEN to the players) isn't "not pleasing everyone" it's just stupid.

There's a huge difference between seeing someone say "Breaky have dumb voice, fire plz" and saying "too bad" as opposed to "Breaky has no clue what he's talking about, is extremely repetitive and shouldn't talk OVER the vent in a ventcast".

The first one, I'd agree, can't please him, too bad, not a big deal. The second one, can be fixed, easily. Breaky's just too damn self obsessed to bother taking any critism and just hides behind his mass of 1500 PSR dick-riders.

It's incredibly stupid and immature for a COMPANY that is pretty much the face of COMPETITIVE HoN to just laugh in the face of the competitive players going "nanana can't hear you".

As for the people saying, why do you watch it if you hate it so much? I watch it because it has so much potential. Breaky does have a great voice for casting, he has the energy and enthusiasm as well. The problem is, he doesn't even PLAY HoN. He watches it, he knows somewhat about its competitive side, but he has no real experience PLAYING the game.

It's sad to see that Zndr, who I absolutely detest was the only member of Honcast who made any effort to actually PLAY and learn the game. But of course he gets fired for having a clue.......

Everyone who plays at a high level is a dick.

Also I watched the ventcast thinking like an idiot this might be a problem; and of course it wasn't. Breaky was whispering the whole time and LOAD never let slip any inane 2 second tip on how to get to 2000 psr without trying that was obscured by Breaky's deafening whispers. Stop whining. It was mostly jokes and things you saw a few seconds later anyway.

[Jo]

I liked the way they did it, in the op's example I had no idea who it was that was winching about "not being able to solo top" until breaky pointed it out. Also his volume was lower so it didn't matter.

Also it's not like you're missing much, the extent of these vents are really "I'll come top, I need to switch lanes, I'm better than you, watch out bot". edit: it was still kindof fun though.

Haters gonna hate, op is an rude and spoiled kid as far as I'm concerned. It was his first vent cast in a language he understood.

[renzo]

We can never do anything perfect. Case in point this. Someone will always ***** regardless of how we do things. Its a situation you can't win. If everyone hated it, they wouldn't watch it - and we would change how it was being delivered.

As a previous poster said, there is a difference between telling to **** off to someone who just drops a 1 liner hating on the casting/production/etc... but when you have multiple well thought out arguments regarding the same topic the least you could do is acknowledge it and look into it and not just shrug it off as "oh well too bad, can't please everyone". This doesn't particularly pertains to this issue as Breaky has acknowledged this is more of a trial and error sort of process, but was mainly referring in general to other issues that are brought up every now and then.



Pretty obvious that everyone doesn't hate it. Just a few vocal people on a forum. That video has been up for 24 hours now and has over 20k visits and 100 comments. If we did something and expected a huge turn out, and only get 4k on it - theres an obvious problem. However 20k+ hits in 24 hours on a single video is far from a poor turn out.

Dude you were ventcasting a game of Load, of course you were going to have an enormous number of hits. I don't think anyone is going to say they hated it (I very much enjoyed it) but the talking over the players (and commentating in general) definitely took away from the cast... that doesn't mean it was bad, it just means it could've been better.



Bottom line. If you don't like our offering - feel free to go watch/listen somewhere else. We aren't forcing you to watch our streams.

It's easy to say that when you know you have a monopoly over hon (sorry gr but you're not up there with them right now), you have very little incentive to change things because you know those who want to watch replays have nowhere else to go (again sorry gr but you offer much less content). It wouldn't surprise me one bit if you guys suddenly were more open minded if a serious competitor with a better product came along.

Just so this isn't misinterpreted, I enjoy honcast's product and content, and visit the site almost daily, and as someone who would like the site to stick around in the long run I'm doing my part by giving back feedback, so hopefully it is appreciated.

[``Phoenix]

Note - a week or so ago I floated the idea of recording BOTH vents separately from the cast itself, for every match we can - and creating a separate player that would load under the video player where a person could listen to the vent chatter of either team, or both, along with the cast - or separate.

I tried PM'ing a few people from the larger teams to see if they'd be down. But never got a response back.

If your in a team that we frequently cast - and are interested in this. Please PM me. We could provide a vent and record the audio ourselves, or the audio could be submitted. Unrealistic to think this could happen for every cast, or for both teams on every cast - but I do think it would be a better way to handle vent casts.

That seems like the best way to do it, regardless of its a common occurrence to get the vent or not to be honest.

[MARCUS]

I enjoyed the cast but fuji/loop mics need turning up for next time.

Oh and GR your casts are kind of sucky.

[calm]

personally I really liked it this way with breaky whispering over, it sounded like the guys on discovery channel whispering like "we gotta be really quiet here as we approach the gator"

[IHitYouHARD]

Hey Breaky and BrandonB,

I just have some input about the vetn casts:

a) It was great to hear how a "professionel" team communicates
b) LOAD sucked at it. Take Druidz or some relatively "mannered" team. (because lets be honest, LOAD wasn't exactly the best example of "good" communication :D)
c)Just talk during team-fights, the community loves when you shout during the battles <3
d)As mentioned in another thread try and make spread sheets to be able to counter each other with "intelligent" comebacks as in "Dodo is playing a great bubbles lately averaging a 10/4/11 overall stat".
e) Try and argue more with each other. It makes it more interessting instead of agreeing with each other 24/7. Thats the only reason I appreciate when HenryD is on HoNCast as he always tries to get an arguement going.

Hope that helps,
Kind regards,
FishcatcH

[Tomate]

I actually like breaky's comments too. Other wise, it just gets boring. I somehow prefer to watch honcast games then the actual replays since I don't need to care about the camera...

[IULove]

We can never do anything perfect. Case in point this. Someone will always ***** regardless of how we do things. Its a situation you can't win. If everyone hated it, they wouldn't watch it - and we would change how it was being delivered.

Previous poster answered this, but I'll add a bit. I'm not talking about "you suck HoNcast", I'm talking about "It makes very little sense to to have a caster cast a VENTcast" however, is a very sensible and legitimate critique that many agree with. Saying "lolumadbro" to your community isn't exactly good business policy when they have a REAL issue with the product.

Pretty obvious that everyone doesn't hate it. Just a few vocal people on a forum. That video has been up for 24 hours now and has over 20k visits and 100 comments. If we did something and expected a huge turn out, and only get 4k on it - theres an obvious problem. However 20k+ hits in 24 hours on a single video is far from a poor turn out.

And? Shitty 15 minute stomp games get views too. This was a LOAD game, what do you expect..? Not to mention, people don't assume that during the VENTcast (note the VENT) Breaky is going to repeat everything the players say like a parrot. I sure didn't. I watched about half of it, before I simply muted it in disgust.

Bottom line. If you don't like our offering - feel free to go watch/listen somewhere else. We aren't forcing you to watch our streams. If something warrants being fixed, its fixed. Your comment about breaky - you do realize that honcast isn't ran single handedly by him right? If theres a problem and we ask him to fix it, he fixes it, however he does for the most part have creative control to try whatever he wants. If it doesn't work, he'll stop doing it.

No, I don't HAVE to, but you have a monopoly. YOU and YOU alone are sponsored by S2. YOU are the face of competitive HoN, not GR, not those other no-names. YOU have production value, YOU have the backing, do something that stands out with it, because frankly, the fact GR is considered competition, is slightly sad.

Now on to Zndr. Not that its any of the communities business, but i'll comment on it. Zndr rarely shared his criticism with us, at least never to me personally or in vent when I was there. He wasn't let go for criticism even if you choose to believe everything you read on hongossip. People complained about zndr for months, he was given multiple warnings, and then staff started to complain as well. Simple as that.

I don't personally care why he was fired. I actually think it was an excellent decision, as he was a rather detestable person. The point still stands, when the ONLY member of your site who actually tried to learn something about HoN is let go for being a complete ass. You might just have a problem.

If you think that breaky and phil don't make any effort to learn more about the game you are clearly clueless. Every single night, multiple times, I jump in on them playing ( not casting ). I'm sorry that breaky's casting schedule doesn't allow for him to play 15 hours a day like some people. Between school and honcast, his day is pretty busy. If he spent more time playing and less time casting - i'm sure people on the forums would ***** about it as well.

Since Breaky stats reset (lol, says something in itself) I can't tell his exact number of games. However I remember someone once made a post on it, and Breaky had played less than 4 games a week or something similar. The average HoN game doesn't even run an hour, don't tell me the man is so busy he can't squeeze in 1-2 hours on an average day to PLAY a game he professionally casts for. As for Phil, he honestly doesn't cast enough for me to really compare all that much, so I'll admit I could be wrong there, but I doubt it's any different. Also, less time casting? There really aren't that many tournament games going on at once, it's honestly maybe 6-7 hours a week of casting, it's not that much...

When it comes to knowledge - I bet breaky is more knowledgeable then you think... Do you cast? When your speaking publicly can you always deliver everything 100% perfect from memory? Get everything correct? It's not like he's reading from a damn teleprompter.

No, I don't cast, never really felt inclined to do so. I don't see it's relevance though. I can guarantee I'm a better player than Breaky and THAT is enough justification for me to say his knowledge of the game is poor. I don't see how talking quickly about nothing makes him more knowledgable.... or are you just grasping for things to throw at me now? Though, usually when doing presentations on subjects I am knowledgeable about, I can deliver accurate information AND I even manage to not say the exact same lines over and over, people like variation.

Oh, and since I see some people saying it. DO NOT talk during team-fights in a ventcast. That is the MOST important time to hear the team. Not during rune calls, or MIAs but when they actually need to communicate and organize.

Honestly., if you want commentary, watch a commentated cast instead, they're plentiful. But don't try and make ventcasts worse for those who do enjoy them.

[``Phoenix]

Agree with the not talking during teamfights, we can see whats happening, we don't need to be told that someone was soooo close to dying, we'd rather hear what LOAD are going to do during teamfights, who their priority target is and why etc etc

[Foul]

Well like said in the DrDz vent cast and the LOAD vent cast, these are trials for a reason... honestly I wasn't planning on talking when we first came about the idea, however people were complaining about just hearing the vent was boring and would like to at least have some bit of talking from myself as well.

This is another one of those you can't win situations which seems like most of the work Honcast has done lately is about... because of the community we deal with and vast spread of ideas/wants towards a feature. It is clear that you are not a fan of my casting style from the points you make in your post which is fine and I have no problem with that, however for those that do actually prefer that I talk and at least try commentate some battles. I have no problem doing another vent cast and JUST doing the vent and then getting feedback from that as well, which tbh what I was planning on doing anyways cause again this was a new idea :).

Thank you for the feedback though, all be it like usual in a very pissed off and sarcastic manner, will make some adjustments for a future one and then receive the feedback from that one.


Or you could make both parties happy and have someone else sit in vent and record, and you do your normal cast at the same time.

Put up the standard vod but have a link to listen to the vent cast.

Problem solved?

Not sure how you'd deal with live but I wouldn't have thought it would be too difficult considering you have multiple channels anyway.


e: it would appear brandon beat me to it ~~

[Onkelffs]

nvm. (http://hon.esportmedia.com/forums/forum/24-suggestions/)

[netygraph]

Note - a week or so ago I floated the idea of recording BOTH vents separately from the cast itself, for every match we can - and creating a separate player that would load under the video player where a person could listen to the vent chatter of either team, or both, along with the cast - or separate.

I tried PM'ing a few people from the larger teams to see if they'd be down. But never got a response back.

If your in a team that we frequently cast - and are interested in this. Please PM me. We could provide a vent and record the audio ourselves, or the audio could be submitted. Unrealistic to think this could happen for every cast, or for both teams on every cast - but I do think it would be a better way to handle vent casts.I love how you have nice ideas and provide insight what is going on in the Honcast!

Ontopic: I think the play-by-play casting didn't fit this kind of ventcast at all.

[Jo]

b) LOAD sucked at it. Take Druidz or some relatively "mannered" team. (because lets be honest, LOAD wasn't exactly the best example of "good" communication :D)

They already did a druidz ventcast and it was like retarded adhd kindergarten holds a confused meeting about termin trends, pretty much the most geeky thing I've listened to in my life and that's from a guy writing forum posts about a game and watching honcast on a regular basis.

[Vulpes]

It really hurts when I hear you say :HelmOfTheBlackLegio or :Mock: are good pick ups on :sand:

They are still strong.

[Tracky]

I didn't read through the whole thread - sorry about that.

My opinion towards the honcasts in general is: They're awesome. Sure, sometimes it happens that breaky or whomever is recording the match misses some action - But that's caused through them being more interested in other scenes than we are. We're individuals - That's what caused it.

For the specific honhast which included a ventcast - Well. For me, it was something GOOD to hear Breaky repeating some stuff, due the other language the team has spoken sometimes.
Nevertheless, you're right - Repeating the obvious isn't needed.
If player#1 says: Yay, I'm pro.
Breaky hasn't to tell us, that player#1 thinks he's a pro. Atleast not, if it's the same language and the record was clearly understandeable.

In general - the honcasts are awesome. But the ventcast was kinda.. senseless. Most likely due the team speaking their own languages. The ventcast was an idea to talk to the players, while they're playing - but that failed due the players being constantly concentrated onto the game ;)

Best regards, Tracky.

[netygraph]

In general - the honcasts are awesome. But the ventcast was kinda.. senseless. Most likely due the team speaking their own languages. The ventcast was an idea to talk to the players, while they're playing - but that failed due the players being constantly concentrated onto the game ;)
Can you explain what you mean by this? I though they spoke english all the time.

[Phage`]

The man you loved and praised so much when he first took the throne, and now you look down and spit on what he does. For shame... Shame on all of you.

On topic - I would rather a DRD ventcast. KingRaven is a funny dude.

This!

[IULove]

I didn't read through the whole thread - sorry about that.

My opinion towards the honcasts in general is: They're awesome. Sure, sometimes it happens that breaky or whomever is recording the match misses some action - But that's caused through them being more interested in other scenes than we are. We're individuals - That's what caused it.

For the specific honhast which included a ventcast - Well. For me, it was something GOOD to hear Breaky repeating some stuff, due the other language the team has spoken sometimes.
Nevertheless, you're right - Repeating the obvious isn't needed.
If player#1 says: Yay, I'm pro.
Breaky hasn't to tell us, that player#1 thinks he's a pro. Atleast not, if it's the same language and the record was clearly understandeable.

LOAD/WHP is an AMERICAN team, as in, THEY SPEAK ENGLISH, nothing else. As for the DrDz cast, I didn't watch it (as it was in Swedish) but I highly doubt Breaky was translating during it, as I highly doubt Breaky speaks much Swedish.

The second part is exactly the problem, Breaky DOES do that, and not only does he do it, but he talks over other players while he does it.

In general - the honcasts are awesome. But the ventcast was kinda.. senseless. Most likely due the team speaking their own languages. The ventcast was an idea to talk to the players, while they're playing - but that failed due the players being constantly concentrated onto the game ;)

The point of a ventcast is to LISTEN to the vent, not communicate with the players. The players can't even hear Breaky...... Please, at least know what you're talking about before trying to make a point....

Best regards, Tracky.

Also, I second a DRD ventcast, would be good IMO.

[Mike`]

Also, I second a DRD ventcast, would be good IMO.

"They got Hellbourne, concede at 15."

[IULove]

"They got Hellbourne, concede at 15."

You really don't get the point behind it.....

He doesn't actually think Legion is an auto-loss, he's just bringing attention to the fact HB is a large advantage.

[The_Thrill]

If you think that breaky and phil don't make any effort to learn more about the game you are clearly clueless. Every single night, multiple times, I jump in on them playing ( not casting ). I'm sorry that breaky's casting schedule doesn't allow for him to play 15 hours a day like some people. Between school and honcast, his day is pretty busy. If he spent more time playing and less time casting - i'm sure people on the forums would ***** about it as well.

Since Breaky stats reset (lol, says something in itself) I can't tell his exact number of games. However I remember someone once made a post on it, and Breaky had played less than 4 games a week or something similar. The average HoN game doesn't even run an hour, don't tell me the man is so busy he can't squeeze in 1-2 hours on an average day to PLAY a game he professionally casts for. As for Phil, he honestly doesn't cast enough for me to really compare all that much, so I'll admit I could be wrong there, but I doubt it's any different. Also, less time casting? There really aren't that many tournament games going on at once, it's honestly maybe 6-7 hours a week of casting, it's not that much....

Do you really think that Breaky plays on his main account? Do you realize that probably 75% of the time I join a game (matchmaking or not) with the HCT tag on, someone on my team finds it hilarious to "lol troll the honcast guy" like people with 1800 PSR who decide to go scout and go straight to kongor... I'm serious, this happens. I'll be honest, breaky didn't play for a long long time, at least not often. But after we started reading the feedback we got subaccounts and started playing. I'd say breaky plays on average 3 hours/day and consistently with 17-1850 level players. Just because you can't see it for yourselves doesn't mean it's not happening.

As for my casting/knowledge.. If you watch the latest SK vs NvD or SK vs DRD I casted those games. I also casted Empr vs DM when DM tried that crazy push strat, I don't feel uncomfortable with saying I have come lightyears from where I was even 2 months ago when it comes to game knowledge. I cast when I'm needed to, but we have other casters who need air time as well. One of our short term goals at honcast is to have 2 casting teams who can stream live at the same time which is why I brought Sooner to the staff because he will most likely be my Co-Caster. Ideally the teams will be Breaky/XanderK and The Thrill/Sooner with 2 live streams so that you guys will get to watch more content. I know this was off topic, but just thought you'd like to know about some of the stuff we're looking into.

[Jo]

Can you explain what you mean by this? I though they spoke english all the time.

He's probably just a bit confused, there's been two vent casts so far, one with LOAD in english and one before that with DRUIDZ which was 90% in swedish.

[QKO]

The man you loved and praised so much when he first took the throne, and now you look down and spit on what he does. For shame... Shame on all of you.

I never liked breakyCPK's casting. As for ventcasts, I feel they shouldn't be commented on. There is no useful comment to provide other than stating the obvious and a commentator has no right to judge a team's way of doing things. So the only thing a commentator could do in such a case is shut up and being obsolete.

An option would be that 3 audio streams are provided with the broadcast: one the shoutcast with commentators and the other two each team's vent stream. I think that way pretty much every type of person would be satisfied.

[IULove]

Do you really think that Breaky plays on his main account? Do you realize that probably 75% of the time I join a game (matchmaking or not) with the HCT tag on, someone on my team finds it hilarious to "lol troll the honcast guy" like people with 1800 PSR who decide to go scout and go straight to kongor... I'm serious, this happens. I'll be honest, breaky didn't play for a long long time, at least not often. But after we started reading the feedback we got subaccounts and started playing. I'd say breaky plays on average 3 hours/day and consistently with 17-1850 level players. Just because you can't see it for yourselves doesn't mean it's not happening.

Well, I know he used to use his main account, so yeah, I was basing it off of that. If this is true, then T-up to you guys, hopefully it starts to show through.

As for my casting/knowledge.. If you watch the latest SK vs NvD or SK vs DRD I casted those games. I also casted Empr vs DM when DM tried that crazy push strat, I don't feel uncomfortable with saying I have come lightyears from where I was even 2 months ago when it comes to game knowledge. I cast when I'm needed to, but we have other casters who need air time as well. One of our short term goals at honcast is to have 2 casting teams who can stream live at the same time which is why I brought Sooner to the staff because he will most likely be my Co-Caster. Ideally the teams will be Breaky/XanderK and The Thrill/Sooner with 2 live streams so that you guys will get to watch more content. I know this was off topic, but just thought you'd like to know about some of the stuff we're looking into.

As I said, I haven't seen many recent casts with you, so I can't fairly judge it all too well. I'll be sure to look into some of them sometime soon.

Two live streams could certainly be good, though, in all honesty, I'd prefer the option below about different audio streams. It would be especially nice if they were interchangeable mid-game, so you could listen to say Sk during a team-fight, then afterwards switch back to the casters to hear what they had to say about it etc. Though, I imagine this would destroy your upload rates =/

Talkinginquotesdoesntcountascharactersapparently.. .......

[Fanlaen]

I like his casting style. I started watching HoN casts before buying HoN so breaky's style of being very descriptive helped me understand what the hell was going and got my interested in the game.

I didn't miss what they were saying on vent because breaky was talking, he was whispering and doing his best to talk silently. Some of the LOAD guys (i think fujiapples) are just very soft talkers I guess.

[ObeseSheep]

They are still strong.

This makes me cry. Sorry.

[Vulpes]

This makes me cry. Sorry.

Apologize to yourself for being terrible.

[Tracky]

The point of a ventcast is to LISTEN to the vent, not communicate with the players. The players can't even hear Breaky...... Please, at least know what you're talking about before trying to make a point....

Seriously, - You should start to listen to the regarding honcast before you gonna blame me for posting wrong informations.
All my statements belong to the honcast you didn't watch. Breaky, at the beginning of the cast, told us listeners to use the ventcast as a way to community WITH the players, aswell as see how they're acting on the vent.
Tho, you might be correct with some of your statements, don't blame me for talking bullshit. Cause that's what I don't.

[IULove]

Seriously, - You should start to listen to the regarding honcast before you gonna blame me for posting wrong informations.
All my statements belong to the honcast you didn't watch. Breaky, at the beginning of the cast, told us listeners to use the ventcast as a way to community WITH the players, aswell as see how they're acting on the vent.
Tho, you might be correct with some of your statements, don't blame me for talking bullshit. Cause that's what I don't.

No....

I'm sorry, just no. IF and I know it isn't true but, IF it was true. Breaky would have essentially cheated and the other team would have called for a rematch or DrDz to be DQed. For all their faults, HoNcast ARE very professional and I highly, highly doubt Breaky was talking to one of the teams while casting.

So yes, you are "talking bullshit" lots of it.

[Tracky]

Well, you're statements are based on "if"'s.
Check the regarding cast - Listen to the beggining words by Breaky and GG.

[IULove]

Just watched it.

You sir, are an idiot.

What he said was, that he might talk to them ON OCCASION to ask questions. Not that he would be speaking on the cast with them able to hear him. So, no, I was right, the point was to listen to DrDz, not listen to Breaky talk to them. It was implied the players couldn't hear him.

So in your own words sir, GG.

[BigLew]

I liked the vent cast with loaded and I thought you were fine when you commented a bit here and there otherwise it would just seem boring if they didn't talk much

[Crabski]

Agreed. It can honestly just be a recording of their vent; this ventcast stuff is really unnecessary and only makes it worse.

[tz`]

Link where is the link

[mitha]

What breaky needs to say or not say in a ventcast depends heavily on the team. Some teams talk alot (LOAD being one of them aparently). In that case there is no need for comments by breaky.

If there are major gaps like in the drdz-cast he has to comment a bit, it's his "job" to keep it entertaining :)


By the way, don't ever again use a non-english team for this.

[Pellikan]

If you don't want to hear ppl watch the game as a normal replay ^^

[Deathbeproud]

So we all know breaky is famous for his "I'll tell you the obvious stuff that you can already see with your own eyes"


I'm sure when I watch sports on TV the casters say things I can see with my own eyes. Because this is your first sentence the rest is invalid.

[Thermy]

If you don't want to hear ppl watch the game as a normal replay ^^

No, we want to hear eG. We don't want to hear Breaky+eG.

Just eG.

[Tracky]

Just watched it.

You sir, are an idiot.

What he said was, that he might talk to them ON OCCASION to ask questions. Not that he would be speaking on the cast with them able to hear him. So, no, I was right, the point was to listen to DrDz, not listen to Breaky talk to them. It was implied the players couldn't hear him.

So in your own words sir, GG.

I herd you sed GG.

[PuK]

I'm sure when I watch sports on TV the casters say things I can see with my own eyes. Because this is your first sentence the rest is invalid.

You'll go very far in life.

Good luck.

[ObeseSheep]

Apologize to yourself for being terrible.

I don't have a gold shield, so my opinion is invalid. That's what I'm sorry about. Not my opinion.

[Scope]

I enojyed the cast and I don't think Breaky spoke to much and when he did
it was easy to still hear the vent in the background.

[Freyz]

My cents on dis.
-you should really focus on getting some insight onto item and skill builds. Read around, read premium guides, read arguments. Stategy forums are a gold mine of Lethe telling people they are idiots. =D
It really hurts when I hear you say :HelmOfTheBlackLegio or :Mock: are good pick ups on :sand: especially after the nerfs to dissipate. If you read around you would have known why they are not and why :NullfireBlade: is prefered.

Awesome. =D I can't believe there is someone dumb enough to believe you can get insight to the game by reading some tardy strategy forums. I haven't checked but I'm quite sure there won't be players like bkid & chu writing guides. So - seriously - get real man.

Ontopic.. This thread is full of fail. Breaky is doing his job better than :blac:!