Breakycpk casting StarCraft 2.... ZOMG

[BreakyCPK]

Hey guys, I consider myself a professional shoutcaster however my experience in terms of amount of games I have casted is minimal. I currently really only do shoutcasting for Heroes of Newerth at http://www.honcast.com , however I have always wanted to expand.

I figured there would be no better game to get into shoutcasting next then StarCraft 2, so with that said I have finally stepped foot in and I am just looking for reactions from the community. As I state in the cast, I by no means am a proffesional player with tons of knowledge... so if you are wanting to watch a cast expecting that, dont bother. However, I do promise to bring entertainment and decent play calling as those are my strengths :).

You can find my Youtube channel at : http://www.youtube.com/breakycpk

You can find my livestream channel at : http://www.ustream.com/breakycpk

Let me know what you guys think as I am always looking for criticism, and of course Favorite me if you like! I would ask that you do leave feedback though on the Youtube page as I may have trouble finding it here, thanks!

[ktN]

Please do read up on the game, I mean......the entire manual if you could. Having shoutcasters lack knowledge of any tiny bit of StarCraft is just a big waste of time.

Good luck with it.

[Radioman]

Whenever I watch SC shout casts the caster always has a huge understanding of the game. With what we've seen of you with HoN I don't think you will do that well with SC. You're great at your "fasttalkofwhatshappeningonscreen" but as for as insight you have always had guys like henryD there.

I don't see SC2 being big for you, but you can always try it right??

[iSlayDragons]

Give it a try, as long as your main focus is HoN <3

[BreakyCPK]

Well as I state in the cast I am no where near day9 status or any top tier competitive player in knowledge. This is in fact what has kept me out of getting involved with SC2 in the first place when it came to casting and in the past when people asked if I would, I stated no because I agree that knowledge is a big part of it.

However, I bought the game and I have had a lot more fun with it than expected so I figured I would throw out a couple of casts and see what kind of response I got from a community that doesn't know me as well.

Hell, if anything I am doing this just for the fun and I dont expect to be on a top tier level of casting, and if people tune in then cool, if they dont, so be it. This is pretty much the same thing I did with HoN and well... it worked out well I would say :).

[KalurO]

Hey guys, I consider myself a professional shoutcaster

May I ask, what makes it so that you think you're eligible to be classified as a professional caster?

Professional means you are the absolute top.
Amateurs can be good as well, or intermediates. But professionals are really the highest league.

Why do you classify yourself as one? Not to bash you but because im curious :)
A smooth talk and average knowledge of the subject you're casting doesn't make for a professional.

[bswhunter]

Professional means you get paid, not the best
Breaky gets paid for casting HoN (I think)
Therefore he is professional (Unless he doesn't get paid inwhich case my argument is invalid)

Anyway, it was a fun cast to watch. Its easy to see how much HoN influences you, especially when you called the zerg player hellborne.
I enjoyed it

[Grondhuiles]

I've been watching StarCraft replays for way much longer than HoN, and I think that casting has to be way different. SC or SC2 requires much more knowledge. I think it's less about describing the action,but more by analyzing the situation. Talking about ecenomy and macro is really important to talk throughout the game. I noticed that you tend to be too much focused on troops while not talking much about teching and bases count.



If you want to get some idea how SC shoutcasting is done, I think you should check some videos (I'm pretty sure you already checked some) from this channel, the casters have a great knowledge of the game/competitive scene.

http://www.youtube.com/user/VioleTAK

However, for a first try, I fount it really entertaining, and I tihnk that practicing is the best way to acquire experience :)

[Fuzzel]

As always great cast in the way of presenting whats happening at the moment.
Would be great if you could get some pro to cast with you, to get some depth in the cast.

[Will_Tuna]

Yes violatak is a great source, HDstarcraft is one of the easyist SC2 casters to listen to imo, he makes it viable for al listeners noob and other alike.

Husky is a funnier but also verry good and lots of knowledge my favorite.

difference is these guys play the game alot.

I like you as a honcaster, so i would love you to do some new sc2 commentary

goodluck with it

[Asway]

http://www.teamliquid.net/

If you want to cast some sc2, which I personally wouldn't recommend it, read that website and learn. Follow the scene, Lucifron is a very famous wc3 player and duckloadra is Whitera, who is a very well known Ukraine sc2 player.

[Aboo`]

Check out HDstarcraft and Huskystarcraft mabye, as mentioned above.

[Noxulus]

Past tense of cast is cast not casted. Just saying bro.

[i2iot]

Just watch as many pro games as you can, you will pick up the knowledge fairly fast. Glad to see you get into SC2 and look forward to it. Good luck!
btw I feel most of the casters who are lacking are because they don't pay enough attention to other places on the minimap which I think HoN has trained you well for.

[KalurO]

Past tense of cast is cast not casted. Just saying bro.

Rule 8:

Do not call people out for spelling mistakes, actions they took in-game, their HoN account statistics, or other trivial matters. If you have an issue with someone, keep it to Private Messages. If you need to report a player for griefing, use the Report a Player feature.

Just saying bro.

[Asway]

also, please the the proper names for each sc2 unit..sweet jesus.

[_dazE]

Hey breaky! I watched your SC2 cast with Socke vs Mardow and although I have NO idea how to play SC2 to a competitive level, (and I'm sure you don't either) you definitely made it a lot of fun to watch and although I do like seeing you cast Heroes of Newerth more, you did an excellent job casting SC2 as well! Keep casting and I look forward to listening to more of your casts in the near future :)

[MoRawka]

I think it will be hard for you to compete with Husky, maybe do a few games and post them up, and let us give you feedback.

[Asway]

Hey breaky! I watched your SC2 cast with Socke vs Mardow and although I have NO idea how to play SC2 to a competitive level, (and I'm sure you don't either) you definitely made it a lot of fun to watch and although I do like seeing you cast Heroes of Newerth more, you did an excellent job casting SC2 as well! Keep casting and I look forward to listening to more of your casts in the near future :)

The thing is, if you knew ANYTHING about the game, you'd understand how bad his sc2 casts were :(

[BadaBing]

I've been watching StarCraft replays for way much longer than HoN, and I think that casting has to be way different. SC or SC2 requires much more knowledge.

Isn't it just because you have been presented to casters who both are excellent casters but also have TOP tier insight in BW/SC2, while this really isn't the case in HoN? If we had Day9, Tasteless or even HD+Husky in HoN we would also demand FAR more from the competitors (e.g. Breaky), but sadly the level of shoutcasters is way lower in HoN than it is in SC2 due to the obvious reasons (SC have been around a little longer than HoN).

@Breaky

Honestly, don't waste your time doing SC2 casts if you don't have anything to bring to the table. There are already tons of brilliant casters in SC, and the SC community is just different than the HoN community.

Sure you might be able to blabber your way through a HoN teamfight, but SC requires a different set of skills from the shoutcaster, IMO.

You still have a lot to learn in HoN. Specialize in one game and focus on becoming the best, rather than trying to over extend and end up being a mediocore nobody at all the games.

[Forfeit]

May I ask, what makes it so that you think you're eligible to be classified as a professional caster?

Professional means you are the absolute top.
Amateurs can be good as well, or intermediates. But professionals are really the highest league.

Why do you classify yourself as one? Not to bash you but because im curious :)
A smooth talk and average knowledge of the subject you're casting doesn't make for a professional.
The worst minor league baseball player to ever play the game is still a professional. Know why? Because he gets paid for what he does.

[Angel]

If you try starcraft, for the love of god don't mindlessly spam your mic with everything you see happening like you do in HoN. In fact, in HoN, stop doing that.

[Asway]

The worst minor league baseball player to ever play the game is still a professional. Know why? Because he gets paid for what he does.

I know you like breaky and all. but all I'm asking is for you to be reasonable. Breaky is indeed a decent shout cast and I as well as many other people would not consider him a professional. Breaky has been shout casting Heroes of Newerth for less then a year. He still has a ton of room for improvement.

[Forfeit]

I know you like breaky and all. but all I'm asking is for you to be reasonable. Breaky is indeed a decent shout cast and I as well as many other people would not consider him a professional. Breaky has been shout casting Heroes of Newerth for less then a year. He still has a ton of room for improvement.
The thing is, it doesn't matter what you think. Professional does not mean "THE BEST". It means you get paid for what you do.

pro-fes-sion-al : participating for gain or livelihood in an activity or field of endeavor often engaged in by amateurs <a professional golfer> b : having a particular profession as a permanent career <a professional soldier> c : engaged in by persons receiving financial return <professional football>

[Rocx]

Honestly man, you still can't get a complete grasp on HoN, i think you should kind of master that before you expand to a more complicated, more in-depth game. I mean, you can't even tell details from a game that happened a day ago, make notes on the stuff, you just plug in and think shouting about whats going on is casting. Casting is knowing fine details, the reasons why a player made a decision to do one thing over another, etc.

Day9 is amazing because he's a diamond league player, playing SC for 10+ years.

And to be completely honest, the only reason people listen to you still is you are the only outlet for HoN shoutcasts. Self proclaiming "professional" doesn't mean you're professional. People get paid to flip burgers at McDonalds, doesn't make them a professional chef. Sorry.

[Forfeit]

People get paid to flip burgers at McDonalds, doesn't make them a professional chef. Sorry.
It does make them a professional burger flipper though.

[Tyon]

Breakycpk.... you're the best. <3

[_dazE]

you guys are fcking harsh. o-o.

I think breaky is an excellent shoutcaster, and while he may have room to improve, (everyone does) it doesn't mean you all should tell him to give up and stop trying just because there are people much better than him...

By using that logic, we should all quit playing hon because MSi is better than us.

Course not! We play hon because its fun, and we all have room to improve, and we do so everyday. The same applies to breaky; he casts because he finds it fun, and although he has room to improve, he will continue to keep at it and expand his horizons.

Don't fcking tell people to give up just because there are people out there who are better.

[Syf]

Please, learn the game first.

[babishh]

btw I feel most of the casters who are lacking are because they don't pay enough attention to other places on the minimap which I think HoN has trained you well for.

i'm afraid this is not one of his best features. his lack of map awareness (even if he's not playin but casting - this means he can see the whole map, not just a part of it) has been criticized a lot, and yet i have to see improvements on that side.
I watch/ed a lot of HDstarcraft and Husky's shoutcasts while playin beta, and i'd say those are pretty good shoutcasters. they know the game, they can see what the players will go for minutes before (even if in my opinion sc2 is a much more unpredictable game) and their talk is always clear and accurate. Breaky often (always?) goes for asking the co-shoutcasters thoughs because he doesn't know the answer of those questions. i've seen i don't know how many times breaky asking for their opinions about the team compositions because he has no clue of how said teams will work one against the other.
I don't want to be rude (cause i think i appeared like it), but all i've seen (heard) from breaky til now is just a fluent and entertaining talk.

[Hermes]

my fav. shoutcaster! <3

[Reuk]

Man, people in this forums srsly have nothing better to do. I guess they really enjoy criticising people even though they can do something that you cant do, and probably never will be able to. I think breaky is a great caster, he might not have the greatest knowledge about the games he casts and lack a bit of criticism on his opinions but he can cast big team fights like no one else, he can catch a lot of details and say what he has to say when he has to say it.
He is a professional caster and he can cast. Knowledge about the game is something you pick up with time and Im sure he will.

[svirrz]

With HenryD and another co-caster you are amazing. I've enjoyed watching your casts since honcast came to life and i think HenryD is a great addition when it comes to the more indepth stuff.

If i were you I would do Honcast like you do it now and just cast SC2 for fun. Watched the three videos you posted on youtube and as a SC2 noob myself i obviously thought it was amazing :)

:doct:

[Asway]

Man, people in this forums srsly have nothing better to do.

Posting on these forums show that you also have nothing better to do, but anyways. All I'm really saying is if breaky wishes to cast sc2 he should do some research before he starts.

[Reuk]

Posting on these forums show that you also have nothing better to do, but anyways. All I'm really saying is if breaky wishes to cast sc2 he should do some research before he starts.

I actually enjoy reading the forums, reading other peoples opinions and giving mine, but posting just to flame someone or tell them that they are bad at something that you probably have no experience on doing is something different.

[Reuk]

With HenryD and another co-caster you are amazing. I've enjoyed watching your casts since honcast came to life and i think HenryD is a great addition when it comes to the more indepth stuff.

If i were you I would do Honcast like you do it now and just cast SC2 for fun. Watched the three videos you posted on youtube and as a SC2 noob myself i obviously thought it was amazing :)

:doct:

I agree that henry has the competitive insight, but hes such an ******* most of the time, if someone makes a mistake while casting hes the first one to go ''NO, You are wrong'', or ''NO, thats not it, thats stupid''. He needs to chill out and learn some humility.

[Asway]

I actually enjoy reading the forums, reading other peoples opinions and giving mine, but posting just to flame someone or tell them that they are bad at something that you probably have no experience on doing is something different.

This might shock you but, I'm actually not flaming breaky.


Let me know what you guys think as I am always looking for criticism, and of course Favorite me if you like! I would ask that you do leave feedback though on the Youtube page as I may have trouble finding it here, thanks!

Nick asked people to give him some feed back and that's what I am doing.

[Reuk]

This might shock you but, I'm actually not flaming breaky.


Never said you were, what im saying is, theres people that enjoy spending some time reading the forums and giving opinions and theres people that just have nothing better to do but come here to flame.

[ObeseSheep]

Your casting is great but you should learn the game first. Read around, learn the scene, etc. Great job.

[Angel]

The thing is, it doesn't matter what you think. Professional does not mean "THE BEST". It means you get paid for what you do.

pro-fes-sion-al : participating for gain or livelihood in an activity or field of endeavor often engaged in by amateurs <a professional golfer> b : having a particular profession as a permanent career <a professional soldier> c : engaged in by persons receiving financial return <professional football>

While anyone can do something for gain of knowledge, he's definitely not making his livelihood on shoutcasting and as such your point is invalid.

[theoutsider]

Listening to this, all I hear is someone who talks really fast about anything he sees happening because he doesn't know what else to talk about.

Professional shoutcaster my ass.
Way to think you're on the same level as shoutcasters like djWHEAT, 2gd, Tasteless.

Just because you're the only acknowledged shoutcaster for a game nobody remotely cares about in the competitive gaming scene, it does not make you professional. Hell, you're not even good at casting HoN to a competitive, insightful level.

inb4 fanboy rage

[Machiavelli`]

May I ask, what makes it so that you think you're eligible to be classified as a professional caster?

Professional means you are the absolute top.
Amateurs can be good as well, or intermediates. But professionals are really the highest league.

Why do you classify yourself as one? Not to bash you but because im curious :)
A smooth talk and average knowledge of the subject you're casting doesn't make for a professional.
Stopped reading the thread here.. You should learn what "professional" is.

[MADVlLLAlN]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUh0Qg-QtJs

00:30

:)

[Alba]

Listening to this, all I hear is someone who talks really fast about anything he sees happening because he doesn't know what else to talk about.

Professional shoutcaster my ass.
Way to think you're on the same level as shoutcasters like djWHEAT, 2gd, Tasteless.

Just because you're the only acknowledged shoutcaster for a game nobody remotely cares about in the competitive gaming scene, it does not make you professional. Hell, you're not even good at casting HoN to a competitive, insightful level.

inb4 fanboy rage

HAHAHAHA u are so mad SIR:scou:

[BadaBing]

The thing is, it doesn't matter what you think. Professional does not mean "THE BEST". It means you get paid for what you do.

pro-fes-sion-al : participating for gain or livelihood in an activity or field of endeavor often engaged in by amateurs <a professional golfer> b : having a particular profession as a permanent career <a professional soldier> c : engaged in by persons receiving financial return <professional football>

A professional caster would be someone like Tasteless: Casting SC for a living in Korea.

Everybody can make a buck on making Youtube video, just like kids can make $100 a week on online poker. It doesn't make them professional poker players, if you ask me though.

[SmokeShow]

I say go for it. To be honest Breaky, the competitive scene of HoN is getting pretty boring to watch and frankly I don't know if it's going to grow very much. Watching the same heroes picked all the time and the same AOE spam fest style battles can become redundant. So why focus all your talents into one area?

I think you're one of the best shoutcasters. If knowledge of SC2 is holding you back from getting into shoutcasting SC2 then LEARN THE GAME MORE!!!

Don't make the mistake of becoming stagnant/inert, you have to continuously branch out and evolve! Don't sell yourself short.

Also try not to listen to the negative douche-tards on these forums. They are always looking to cut someone down due to their pathetically low self esteem.

[Tenacious]

Meh, yea. Before u shoutcast SC2, you should learn the game. watching your shoutcast for Socke vs. Mardow, u don't know alot of the game. U did it fine, it was fun to watch, and that's what I like about you, it's so more interesting with you shoutcasting.
Play more zerg
Play more protoss
play more terran
learn the names of the units, and your fine. Your an awesome shoutcaster, I don't watch Honcasts without you ^.^
Time and time again, ur casts are awesome

Alot of other casters may know more than you, but they're also way more boring..

[ArnoldRimmer]

I hope you do well breaky! You go girl!

[mep]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUh0Qg-QtJs

00:30

:)
ZEELOTS.
:warb:

[ArnoldRimmer]

ZEELOTS.

I literally laughed out loud when he called the zerg the Hellbourne.

[Jo]

Go for it breaky, knowledge can be aquired while personality is constant.

While I think HenryD was the best compliment the honcast team could get I don't think honcast would have taken off as it did without yourself or that any of the high tier players would do such an good job rambling on and keeping it exciting.

Try to partner up with more high tier players though, alot of the whine comes from when you and an non-hightier guy keeps calling it wrong without anyone correcting you (Like not understanding how the game would end with an 350g/min darklady completly unchecked last time she was casted, took about 30min of zero comprehension of the situation before it became more obvious).

[Kolapz]

Don't waste your time breaky. To be brutally honest, you're not even a great HoN caster yet, it's just that you don't have much competition here. Your knowledge of HoN is abysmal, your knowledge of SC2 is even worse. Considering SC2 shoutcasting focuses a lot more on why stuff is happening and not what is happening, I don't see you being a good caster there either any time soon, especially since after 6 (?) months of you casting HoN, you're still doing the same stupid mistakes and saying the same stupid stuff.

No chance you could ever compete with the shoutcasting giants that the SC/SC2 community already has.

[ArnoldRimmer]

"Starcraft Cast 2"

Protoss TEAM! Just say Protoss.

Zerg TEAM! Just say Zerg.

Zerg PLAYERS (when there is only one zerg player)

[r00t]

i'm not really the starcraft guy and dont understand u're interest in it.. ;) but i'll watch a few casts and maybe i'll get interessted just like awake my interesst in hon ;)

[ArnoldRimmer]

Breaky one thing you have going for you is your voice, its an industry-esq voice. Alot of these other casters have your typical nerdy gamer voice. Thats nothing something I want to listen to when I'm watching games. I want to hear the same kind of voice my grandpappy heard while he was listening to the big ball game on the am radio, I want to hear the same kind of voice my dad listens to while watching football. You can bring a mainstream voice to something that doesn't have alot of mainstream credibility, so for that reason I think you can do well.

One of the biggest things I think you need to work on is deviating from your usual patterns. Catch phrases are ok "Time and time again" - but they can be a crutch if you use them too much. Also, when you are narrating a buildup to action, you almost always do it the same way - starting with a low growl then building up into a session of loud (sometimes) jibberishy noises. Try a different approach every once in awhile.

[stronK]

I don't know why you guys are giving him such talk, but I guess criticism is always welcome, when Korean shoutcasters do basically the same thing.

Shoutcasting's (imo) primary goal is to provide entertainment for the spectator, while tips and strategy are always secondary.

offtopic: I personally watched replays and analyzed it myself to improve in the game. (Then again after 7 years of Starcraft my highest rank is still B-)

[Bartender]

In HoN identifying who is winning is very straight forward, but in SC and SC2, the amount of factors determining if someone is going to win is huge. An example of this would be if a person had more expansions than the other person, that doesn't mean the person is ahead. The other person may have a larger army and be abusing a timing push, or he might not have any upgrades and the person who has the expansion is actually ahead.

This is why breaky can be okay as a shoutcaster for just HoN, but for SC2? No.

[Omnigrunt]

You'll have to play and win hundreds, if not thousands, of games with each race using all competitively accepted maps to have enough knowledge to begin casting Starcraft. You'd need to have to strong understanding of all 6 matchups (3 mirrors, pvt pvz zvt) from each perspective otherwise it will very hard to predict strategies or explain to others what these pros or thinking. Alot of small details are key, such as when players decide to scout (8th worker, 9th worker, etc), how they adapt to the information they get from scouting, when they start mining gas, when they decide to expand, and so on, and all these timings depend on which map is being played and in what matchup.

Map issues are important to understand. There are very, very good reasons everyone hated Incineration Zone in the SC2 beta.

In any case though, Starcraft is very fun, very complex, and very exciting game, so if you want to get into the scene, more power to you and good luck.

[M72TheLaw]

Play by play commenting is fine in a game like HoN, where the tactical choices and team choices can be mentioned and discussed to death within 20 seconds of farm time. With new variables being added once every 5 mins or so.

In starcraft (Read: RTS's) the commentary should NEVER be play by play, you have to give insight and discuss builds, movements, and actions. Not only that but in a 1v1 format player style and attitudes play a huge role in how the game progresses

"Normally i'd be worried about this early muta rush by the zerg, but flash almost always builds his anti air defense with seconds to spare, he has a build that is very risky but pays off".

Vs

"OMG A HUGE MUTA RUSH BY THE ZERG PLAYER, HE IS OBVIOUSLY IN THE LEAD AT THIS MOMENT! FLASH DOESN'T HAVE ANY AIR DEFENSE UP!"

You can pass off casting HoN with minimal to low knowledge of the game, you CANNOT pull the same off in an RTS. It is honestly really painful to hear play by play commentating on RTS's.

[uberdabing]

In general, I think good commentators should bring up more information not relating to the specific game. Information about the players and teams, like statistics, play styles, win/loss records, and the psychological feelings of players, makes it much more interesting.

The problem I have with most SC2 commentary is that I feel no attachment to the players. Whereas when you watch SC1 commentary, it is much more engaging. You can follow Korean pro gamers throughout the proleague/MSL/OSL and track their progress. You get to see the reactions of the players when something dramatic happens because it is happening in a live arena. This is more like actual sports, where you attach yourself to a particular team or player and watch them.

One of the people I liked so much who did this sort of thing was klazartsc. For example, he would often talk about player's previous games and how it impacted his mindset for this game, influencing his build order, how he scouted, etc.

In general, to commentate successfully I feel you not only need to know how to play well, you also need to tirelessly follow every pro game and keep up to date on statistics.

[Angel]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUh0Qg-QtJs

00:30

:)

Proof he has no idea what he's doing. Normally people watch casts, especially RTS ones, not for entertainment but for insight into the game. Watch any other cast of starcraft and it'll be someone telling you why things are happening and generally which units counter which. Why players made that move at which point, etc. Breaky just spams what he sees and doesn't explain why it happened, because just like in HoN, he has no clue why things happen.

[rickster]

Please stick to SC2, thanks.

[MoRawka]

Originally Posted by SkyAndSand http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?p=12233048#post12233048)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUh0Qg-QtJs

00:30

:smile:

yeah, after that video, i have to say stick to hon man, get good at it, put more videos out. Huzzy's got SC2 covered, and it's pretty much his domain.

He knows the game very well, and listening to your video, I can tell you've got about 2 weeks of SC2 experience if even that..

Not trying to sound harsh, but you could tell you were nervous during that video, stammering everynow and then, plus you called the units and races by the wrong name. You gotta know tons of build orders, tons of slang, learn who the top guys are, and where they are from. You called Mineral, "gold", Zerg "Hellbourne", and Zealots, Zeeeelots.............

[Astrusum]

Please stick to SC2, thanks.

Come on, he's not THAT bad as a HoN caster... as long as he got someone to give him (any) competitive insight and a third person on the camera (with map awareness so we don't have to follow teamfights on the minimap and char portraits), I kinda like his casts.
It's like white noise to my hears while people are farming and nothing happens.

[TheScalpel]

@Breaky

I have watched alot of SC and SC2 casts, and what youre doing is not a SC2 cast. Its an SC2 commentary. You are commenting on the actions happening, yet you do not know what is happening at all. If you want to cast SC2, please watch alot of casts first by the respected casters. You will need to know who is ahead at a given time, and where hon basically has gpm as a stick to show you which way the tide of the battle is going. SC2 also has a bazillion other things you need to be aware of at the same time.

In my experience you are a very very entertaining caster, and you work very well in HoN because you just need to cast what you see and every character has 4 skills, which basically work in a few distinct ways. But SC2 has so much delicate macro, micro, paper-rock-scissor(-wizard-dragon-knight-etch) technicalities that you need to know before this will be decent.

Hope you get into all the details, cause your voice is way better than most of these guys. (hate the name moletrap!!!)

[Kolapz]

In general, to commentate successfully I feel you not only need to know how to play well, you also need to tirelessly follow every pro game and keep up to date on statistics.

Oh this x1000

The first part of what I quoted has been said over and over again, the second almost never.

It would be interesting to hear the win ratio between top teams, win ratio when one of them played a certain hero, win % of a team when they ran a trilane, etc. But hard to expect that when casters can't even remember who won the last game they casted or who played what.

[Sam`]

please do get a somewhat high tier player/ someone who knows who they are talking to about to co cast with you. Not trying to be mean, but i don't want the equivalent of saying panda is working on his runed axe in SC2 :)

[Decency]

You're about 12 years behind on StarCraft knowledge to even attempt to cast the game.

I understand your enthusiasm, but leave it to the professionals.

[wza]

I watched your first cast and it was horrible. also



ZEL-OT


SHORT E


ZEL-OT

[wza]

Lets be honest too breaky. I love your hon casting, but all you do is call out the action we are all seeing really fast. you dont have any real knowledge of the game like HenryD. You just make watching a replay more exciting. SC2 needs a day9 type caster, because just saying "all of his zealots died" when we can all clearly see that is not gonna cut it. And calling the zerg player the hellbourne player made me shut it off after that.

your a good personality fast talker, but you need a different skillset for sc2, watch some day9


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=104154

[SOLObro]

You have a great voice, and I'm very impressed by your ability to call action and make an entertaining cast - but you lack knowledge of both HoN and SC2. I guess you do these casts for your own enjoyment, so just do what you enjoy - but I don't think expanding to more than one game will be a good thing for you.

[scoutpickguy]

hey breaky, since you might be reading this i'd like to tell you something unrelated to the topic (or maybe it is)

one time you were casting some game and there was an arachna... and he had 2 illusions, 1 of which was on lane farming creeps and the real hero and another illusion were sitting in woods doing nothing, a valkery threw out an arrow and the guy dodged it with the illusion, you said wow what great micro, that's not great micro, it's not even micro :) the dude was only controlling the illusion, and contrary to popular belief there is no more micro in hon than there is in counterstrike (ok there are some exceptions like maybe ophelia but she'd have to control everything individually to say she's actually microing and that doesn't happen, the best they do is block with 1 creep while the rest are set to attack) that's all i wanted to say :D

[`Tape]

Rise from SC1 casting is what got me hooked into watching casts in the first place. I have watched a lot of the Honcasts that breakycpk does and they are excellent! However, I think it will be a few months at least to get "up to speed" in sc2 casts, let alone at a level similar to rise.

[chapy]

Breaky, I think your probably a bit late to the party for SC2. There are COUNTLESS shoutcasters for SC2 that have been around since the start of SC1, people will do nothing but compare you to them, which they have every right to. Starcraft is not a game that you can just be successful at casting because you consider yourself a professional shoutcaster, that's not how it works. I mean, there ARE games that you could cast (and by cast I mean without hearing endless complaints), they all have one thing in common, they're not deep games.

FPS are typically not deep games, that is obviously a genre that you can jump around in and still be successful. RTS is a bad category for that, as they typically involve deep levels of strategy and skill that need to be noticed and highlighted by the shoutcaster. It doesn't help that day9 is a living Starcraft 2 encyclopedia either.

I do agree that what you have to offer is excitement, but for deep games like Starcraft (and HoN for that matter) people have come to expect more.

I've been in vent with you while you casted TF2, I don't know why you choose the hardest game to cast when your talents compliment the FPS genre much more.

(yes people, for the record, I understand that there are various levels of depth when it comes to FPS, I have competed in them all, I know, my point is that FPS is much more about 'play calling' as breaky said than it is about RTS item/skill/build orders, which requires vast knowledge)

[M72TheLaw]

SNIPPPPPPPP

I played competitive TF2, it has all the strategic depth of a hacky sack game between one guy and an unmoving wall.

Just sayin

[chapy]

I played competitive TF2, it has all the strategic depth of a hacky sack game between one guy and an unmoving wall.

Just sayin

So what you're saying is that it's perfect.

[Raithed]

I'd rather watch breaky for his honcasts than HenryD's because his voice is just so monotone. ;|

[Mcfatback]

this thread is a tarp

[BillDjango]

While anyone can do something for gain of knowledge, he's definitely not making his livelihood on shoutcasting and as such your point is invalid.

Breaky makes his living with honcast. It's not like we pay him 5 pesos a week.....

So the term professional fits. He's not casting for extra pocket change, he's casting to pay the bills.

[Dokramuh]

AND HERE COMES THE ARMY FROM THE HELLBOURNE!! the hellbourne? this isn't heroes of newerth!

I lol'd

[canikizu]

oh wow, normally when a person tries out his new thing, people usually should just encourage him for trying new thing and help him out. This thread is full of discourage and bashing posts for his mere 2nd sc2 cast.

To Breaky, you're doing fine for the 2nd cast. Just watch HDStarcraft, BlizShouter, Day9's casts and learn more.

Moreover, I suggest you focus on learning to cast 1 particular race (terran or zerg or protoss), watch vods involving that race, try to play that race on bnet because something you can't learn from vods without trials and errors.

[chapy]

oh wow, normally when a person tries out his new thing, people usually should just encourage him for trying new thing and help him out. This thread is full of discourage and bashing posts for his mere 2nd sc2 cast.

To Breaky, you're doing fine for the 2nd cast. Just watch HDStarcraft, BlizShouter, Day9's casts and learn more.

Moreover, I suggest you focus on learning to cast 1 particular race (terran or zerg or protoss), watch vods involving that race, try to play that race on bnet because something you can't learn from vods without trials and errors.
This is the Heroes of Newerth community canikizu, it's not where you come for encouragement or support. More importantly, it's also partially a starcraft community here as well, and everyone in the sc community is basically spoiled when it comes to the qualities of casters that cover sc.

And nice suggestions, way to set him up for failure. Why he's at it, for HoN you should have him only play strength heroes, but only on legion. ;)

In all honesty it's like this. HoN is sort of like casting the minor leagues. If you go to a game like Starcraft or Counterstrike, you're casting in the major leagues, and you'd better have the resume to back it up.

[canikizu]

This is the Heroes of Newerth community canikizu, it's not where you come for encouragement or support. More importantly, it's also partially a starcraft community here as well, and everyone in the sc community is basically spoiled when it comes to the qualities of casters that cover sc.

And nice suggestions, way to set him up for failure. Why he's at it, for HoN you should have him only play strength heroes, but only on legion. ;)

In all honesty it's like this. HoN is sort of like casting the minor leagues. If you go to a game like Starcraft or Counterstrike, you're casting in the major leagues, and you'd better have the resume to back it up.
Yada yada yada. People like u who are think the whole bad boys are cool are the one that make community full of jerks. I came from asian sc, wc community and we don't have this kind of thing, at least not to the stupid point that common senses are rare.

And tell me what I suggest breaky is wrong? Watching intensively a particular race, watching vods but pay attention to that race, playing the race on the server for trial and error. It's my suggestion for breaky, who should try to be a player before a caster, not for you, chapy. What a dumb comparison between a race and strength heroes, I did not expect it coming from you, book-smart google man.

Leave the man doing what he's trying to do. If he doesn't live up to the community after 10, 15 more casts, bash him as much as he deserve it, just like with HoN (yes, in hon breaky is a bad insight caster, I bashed him many times before).

btw, "No one likes a smart-ass" - Jim Raynor

[ValSic]

Day[9] is ****ing awesome! Go try it breaky!

[bswhunter]

One last thing. You may want to cover the replay bar with an image as it prevents us from seeing how long the game has to go.
I have no idea how to do this however.

[ilia]

well, people seem to like djwheat as a starcraft caster although he knows ****-all about the actual game. breaky has a stellar voice that's fun to listen to, with a bit of experience (i.e. knowing all the units, and at least the basic strategies each race employs in each matchup, plus the general idea of said matchup), and being paired up with a knowledgeable player&caster (a la day9), we could have some good stuff on our hands.

[Colinthetank]

You say gold expansion and gold, lots of gold, GOLD, GOLD, GOLD.

Starcraft2 does not have gold.

[Foul]

I know you like breaky and all. but all I'm asking is for you to be reasonable. Breaky is indeed a decent shout cast and I as well as many other people would not consider him a professional. Breaky has been shout casting Heroes of Newerth for less then a year. He still has a ton of room for improvement.

You seriously have no understanding of the word professional do you?

It means it's a job, it doesn't matter how **** you may be at your job you're still a professional.

( Not calling Breaky **** )

[Colinthetank]

Also, you don't know what brood lords are...

[JoeMartin]

You say gold expansion and gold, lots of gold, GOLD, GOLD, GOLD.

Starcraft2 does not have gold.

Starcraft 2 does, in fact, have gold expansions. But that's beside the point.

Agreeing with the general sentiment here that play-by-play commentating has very little place in the real time strategy genre as the times when it is necessary are fleeting, at best. People want a discussion about the whole game and how the decisions each player is making fits into it, not just about what is immediately on the screen. And quite frankly you just don't have the experience to do it - not that you should take that personally. Very few people have the breadth of insight necessary for good competitive casting of a game as mechanically complicated and varied as SC, let alone scratching the mores of the metagame. Even less of those people possess the qualities of speech to be good casters.

Quite frankly that's something I've always believed to be missing from the Honcast commentaries in general. You guys talk an awful lot during the cast but hardly say anything about the game as a whole. We don't need an action-for-action play-by-play of everything on screen. Anyone watching honcast already has a functional understanding of the game - we can already see what the players are doing - the viewers want insight as to why the players are doing what they're doing, people to fill in the blanks for things that aren't immediately apparent from whats on screen (and for God's sake stop letting HenryD on as your "competitive advisor," he couldn't be less unprofessional, biased, and self-serving).

That point aside, you still have a long way to go as far as your speech acquity is concerned. You have a bad tendency to use quite a bit of filler words (in that sense), as well as what seems an unnecessary need to be constantly talking - which frequently leads to rambling - when it would be better to just be silent for a few seconds when there's nothing relevant to be said. The staff also needs to stop trying to force topics of discussion (with thrown comments like "well what do you think about what just happened?" and learn to let conversation flow organically from points of discussion brought up by the game.




You definitely have the potential to be a great caster, but as for considering yourself a professional? Well, you're not quite there yet. Neither is Honcast. The foundation is there, but it needs work.

[scoutpickguy]

Breaky, I think your probably a bit late to the party for SC2. There are COUNTLESS shoutcasters for SC2 that have been around since the start of SC1, people will do nothing but compare you to them, which they have every right to. Starcraft is not a game that you can just be successful at casting because you consider yourself a professional shoutcaster, that's not how it works. I mean, there ARE games that you could cast (and by cast I mean without hearing endless complaints), they all have one thing in common, they're not deep games.

FPS are typically not deep games, that is obviously a genre that you can jump around in and still be successful. RTS is a bad category for that, as they typically involve deep levels of strategy and skill that need to be noticed and highlighted by the shoutcaster. It doesn't help that day9 is a living Starcraft 2 encyclopedia either.

I do agree that what you have to offer is excitement, but for deep games like Starcraft (and HoN for that matter) people have come to expect more.

I've been in vent with you while you casted TF2, I don't know why you choose the hardest game to cast when your talents compliment the FPS genre much more.

(yes people, for the record, I understand that there are various levels of depth when it comes to FPS, I have competed in them all, I know, my point is that FPS is much more about 'play calling' as breaky said than it is about RTS item/skill/build orders, which requires vast knowledge)


day9 isn't exciting? that guy actually makes good jokes, it's not just his knowledge

[GuMMi_BuRR]

He needs to chill out and learn some humility.
No .

[MindGame]

(yes people, for the record, I understand that there are various levels of depth when it comes to FPS, I have competed in them all, I know, my point is that FPS is much more about 'play calling' as brea....


CROSSFIRE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ValSic]

Kk so I just found out today that..

Breaky --> Starcraft 2

and now ..

HDGamer (SC2 shoutcaster) --> HoN --> http://www.youtube.com/user/AlexHDGamer#p/u/7/oshdmSzR_uA

Do they know each other or somethin'

[JoeMartin]

Kk so I just found out today that..

Breaky --> Starcraft 2

and now ..

HDGamer (SC2 shoutcaster) --> HoN --> http://www.youtube.com/user/AlexHDGamer#p/u/7/oshdmSzR_uA

Do they know each other or somethin'


Lots of people from the SC2 community play HoN as well (a lot of well known SC2 tournament players, at that - HD is actually one of the few that isn't downright terrible). Join the clan Teamliquid channel, plenty of people always setting up inhouses in there.

[ValSic]

^
Ohh didn't know that. Thx , brah.

[chapy]

Starcraft 2 does, in fact, have gold expansions. But that's beside the point.

Agreeing with the general sentiment here that play-by-play commentating has very little place in the real time strategy genre as the times when it is necessary are fleeting, at best. People want a discussion about the whole game and how the decisions each player is making fits into it, not just about what is immediately on the screen. And quite frankly you just don't have the experience to do it - not that you should take that personally. Very few people have the breadth of insight necessary for good competitive casting of a game as mechanically complicated and varied as SC, let alone scratching the mores of the metagame. Even less of those people possess the qualities of speech to be good casters.

Quite frankly that's something I've always believed to be missing from the Honcast commentaries in general. You guys talk an awful lot during the cast but hardly say anything about the game as a whole. We don't need an action-for-action play-by-play of everything on screen. Anyone watching honcast already has a functional understanding of the game - we can already see what the players are doing - the viewers want insight as to why the players are doing what they're doing, people to fill in the blanks for things that aren't immediately apparent from whats on screen (and for God's sake stop letting HenryD on as your "competitive advisor," he couldn't be less unprofessional, biased, and self-serving).

That point aside, you still have a long way to go as far as your speech acquity is concerned. You have a bad tendency to use quite a bit of filler words (in that sense), as well as what seems an unnecessary need to be constantly talking - which frequently leads to rambling - when it would be better to just be silent for a few seconds when there's nothing relevant to be said. The staff also needs to stop trying to force topics of discussion (with thrown comments like "well what do you think about what just happened?" and learn to let conversation flow organically from points of discussion brought up by the game.

You definitely have the potential to be a great caster, but as for considering yourself a professional? Well, you're not quite there yet. Neither is Honcast. The foundation is there, but it needs work.

^this

There is no need to have spoken word on air 24/7, we're not listening to the radio, and even if we were, this game is more on pace with baseball where nothing exciting can happen for extended periods yet you'll still hear dead air even on the radio at times, all you'll hear for maybe 5-10 seconds(sometimes longer) is the noise of the crowd, which lends itself to the atmosphere anyways, it draws you in. Point is, your radio broadcast schooling gets in the way sometimes of shoutcasting.

During the phases of the game where not much happens, typically early game with non aggressive lanes and mid-late game with farm breaks, you don't have to SAY what we are SEEING, when all we are seeing is your basic last hitting, and basic lane harassment, or basic neutral creep farming. If you see something extraordinary about the harassing however, good/new use of cover, unique lane synergies, unique item choices, take this time to analyze them while we are mesmerized by exceptional last hitting and harassment and get a thought or two together that you can tap when the time for some spoken word is necessary.

Early game, imo, the focus should be on the babysitters (vs other babysitters dynamic), or on the aggressive lanes, not solo mid. I want to watch who is winning the overall harassment fight which in turn leads to which melee gets the better farm.

Also, it's better, imo, to stick to a lane that you've, for whatever reasons, deemed the lane to watch. You can, of course, leave the lane to follow action, but imo, I like to watch the a lane in its entire laneing phase, to really get a feel for who came out on top. And you can tell who came out on top by a number of things (obviously) like which melee has more farm, which duo has more kills (if any). If mid (or bot) is required to gank top because top is losing, it's worth mentioning that when bottom dies because he was left alone. Now bottom is behind in levels and farm and they need a gank, but top is too flustered to gank (it happens) so your solo mid comes to gank, but your solo mid WAS winning his lane and now he has to give his opponent like 3 - 4 waves worth of farm.

It's dynamics like that, cause and effect, that I (as in me, can't speak for everyone) find interesting.

[kirbyruled]

Stick to HoN breaky, but keep in mind that you're good at honcasting.

Oh and chapy is a genius.

[bleek]

When i heard him say "And the port in from the stalkers" i turned it off, i won't lie.

[nephroid]

GL if you plan on venturing into SC2 casting, because you'll get ripped to shreds on TL probably. :) I've been there for years and it's always the same. If you though casting knowledgeable HoN was difficult, SC is gonna be a nightmare (at least it was in BW). Guess that stems from having guys like Day[9], Tasteless, Chill, Artosis, Superdanielman, etc. What a luxury. ^__^

[Christened]

I would go on teamliquid.net and read up on the strategies and build orders being used and get an extensive knowledge of these. I remember watching new commentators come out for BW and it drove me crazy when people couldn't tell the difference between a 7 pool and a 9 pool. I might be a little picky, but the advice I would give is to read up about the game and learn a lot. Go to day9's ustream channel and watch the recorded vods. They have a lot of info and he is the first person I would go to for info. I stopped watching his daily's when he started doing sc2 but I assume the same in depth strategy talk is still there.

Best of luck!

[acidd]

1.watch day 9 vods
2.watch day 9 vods
3.Have great knowledge of the game
4.Do what you do best

[cryonine]

SC2 shoutcasts focus more on the game as a whole and not what's happening in the moment. Get the knowledge and see what other shoutcasters do, then make another attempt. Your voice is always great to listen to, but unfortunately (and expectantly!) your SC2 shoutcasting isn't where it needs to be to make it worth listening to games you're covering. Good luck!

[lKhain]

BUT HERE COMES THE ARMY NOW FOR THE HELLBOURNE... wow the hellbourne team lol... this isnt Heroes of Newerth...

haha, nice one

[Torkelyo]

Along with many others here, I feel that you should focus on casting HoN and nail that competitive scene first before diving into something much deeper. I like your casting, but I'm not sure I would still be watching if it hadn't been for HenryD joining you guys. Competitive insight is really really important, and I'd venture to guess that it's even more important in Starcraft!

To comment on the HoN casting first, I am surprised at how oblivious you are to many things that happen in the HoN casts, mainly in terms of the meta game etc. I didn't play dota, I dont play on a high level in HoN, and what I have learned competitively is mainly from videos on honcast.com. Still, I can predict bans, picks, lanes, and other things pretty well, and understand mostly why or why not things happen in the game. Still, you miss a scary amount of important issues! (or maybe afraid to point things out idk :S)

Example: on a recent honcast, Engineer I think it was, disconnected early and gave his opposing mid, which was SOULSTEALER, freefarm and level advantage (and souls) while Engineer was stuck in base. It amazes me how you didn't see what an enormous disadvantage that was given his opponent's hero, and how mid was basically lost from the get-go. The unfortunate situation was mentioned, but the impact it had on the mid lane was largely ignored. It was THE big thing happening early on, and it was huge.

It feels like you need delve deeper into the HoN scene to get a good grasp on it. Basically to get a better feeling for hero synergies, ban reasons, lane choices, hero/item counters and whatever else concerns the HoN meta game. Maybe watch games while chatting to more pro hon players, ask them more questions etc, and generally soak up knowledge. It's too shallow still. It's not enough to know that pestilence can counter stealth when he his level 6 etc.

Basically this is why I think you should not jump into Starcraft 2 to become a general shoutcaster for that as well. Starting from scratch as far as game knowledge goes, and casting a game that arguably is much more sensitive to the issues pointed out above, I think would just be a bad trip. If anything, guest shoutcast some matches together with other SC2 casters or something, cause people like to hear your voice and know you from HoN already. But first nail HoN please. ... And listen to chapy's advice, he put the thoughts and opinions of me and my hon buddies so elegantly into words.


PS. Chapy please return to casting hon. Original and best imo :P

[GucciGod]

StarCraft is way more complicated in terms of what people EXPECT you to know when shoutcasting. Since this game is one of the largest e-sports, good luck though.

[Fartcircus]

Breaky has a good voice and a personality/humor and that is about it. Even when casting Hon he treats it like a real sport which it is not. Watch Day9 he comments about starcraft like it is chess which it is more like than an actual sport.

Screaming about what is happening on screen is pointless, everyone can see it. A good caster should explain why it is happening. Given breaky cannot even do this for a simple game such as HoN he will never be able to do it with SC2.

[ROMA]

stick to hon please. Your play by play casting in a game like starcraft is so irritating

[Bulldozor]

The Prodoss player

Prodoss


Prodoss



Oh you americans ;]

[Porada_Ninfu]

just stick to one game (HON) please or you will mess it up :/

[Chackle]

I would have to say that Breaky has the potential to be a great solo caster, but at the moment he is better off with co-casters who can fill in the gaps.

Breaky is brave to cast SC2, they already have a ton of casters and the SC community is more competitive than any other RTS. I would say if he's going to do SC2 casting, get someone else who can give you a bit of strategy insight etc, like you do in HoN.

Good luck with casting other games though, don't let this community hold you back.

[Kowz]

You still have a lot to learn in HoN. Specialize in one game and focus on becoming the best, rather than trying to over extend and end up being a mediocore nobody at all the games.

Only read first page, but my advice would be get to know some top tier shout casters from other games and "drop by" so to speak. I have some acquaintances that will shoutcast FPS games that they aren't necessarily pro at, but being the co-caster and having some input along with being well known somewhere else makes the cast more interesting and boost your reputation as well. my 2c

[Anghkor]

Moving this to OT, this doesn't belong in the HoN shoutcasting section.

[InsaneChef]

needs more idra rage

[Bamboozler]

It's going to take a lot of dedication, and I mean a lot. If you really want to try breaking into the SC2 shoutcasting scene.

I watched one of your SC2 shoutcasts and you can see a lot of forced habit from HoN showing through. Your energy is great and you seem to have a quick way of progressing your understanding based on how I've seen you develop in your Honcast work.

As I expected, your skills for narrating the engagements carried through well. However SC2 has a lot smaller nuances to it where seconds of planing, implementing and executing will make or break you.

To convey this as a caster, your knowledge of the game needs to be impecable. This would help give you a type of casting clairvoyance to be able to cast possible scenarios, outcomes as well as offering your own advice to improving the gameplay, all before your viewers actually witness it. Like in those kung fu movies where they say that a match is already decided before it is fought.

I'd recommend doing a lot of this for your HoNcasts as well. I think it would help your cast flow more fluently and help you hone in your camerawork for fights in the early/mid game before the team fights go down. A lot of that is missed as you are usually preoccupied with giving rundowns of creep scores, possible item pick ups, etc.

Also you should start working to gaining and applying your own competitive insight. Not to try to push out henryd or fresh, or any of your other guests cause they're all great. But it seems like if you want to be the best at what you do, you need to be the BEST. Right now you're a just a pretty face, but once you start breaking away from that atypical insight that is being fed to you, you'll be able to take it to a new level.

BTW that was the first SC cast i've ever seen in my life and I've only played the game twice.

[sherpa]

Knowledge is something that will come with time.

Charisma is something you either have or don't. You do. I say keep at it- I'm learning SC2 and based on your cast I'd say we're at the same point right now.

[Ruscour]

May I ask, what makes it so that you think you're eligible to be classified as a professional caster?

Professional means you are the absolute top.
Amateurs can be good as well, or intermediates. But professionals are really the highest league.

Why do you classify yourself as one? Not to bash you but because im curious :)
A smooth talk and average knowledge of the subject you're casting doesn't make for a professional.
You're a giant moron. Nicole Kidman is a professional actress because she does it and she gets paid, even though she's ****ing horrible.

Not saying breaky is horrible, just making a point. Professional HoN players are those who play in tournaments for money, or sponsored teams like FnaticMSI. Go find it in your dictionary.

Professional shoutcasters are those who get paid. BreakyCPK gets paid. So shuddup.

[Rorix]

you got the voice , you just need to learn to master the game

[Boolbasor]

Great cast yesterday with Trump!

[DarthCidious]

when will they be uploaded?

[AYCARAMBA]

i watched the entire 5 hours of the sc2 tourney breaky, nice job.