How do you avoid going insane in pubs?

[YourMumRang]

Hi all.

I've been playing HoN for 3 weeks now. I've a good grasp of the game and am learning how to be good for the team. Initially, I was choosing n00b choices and loved Night Hound. I was doing really well, getting to 1600psr rather quickly but I was essentially being carried by my team.

Now, I am down to 1230. This has happened in the last 4 days. I am a much better played and am choosing the more useful heroes and am (trying) to work as part of a team. I have simply kept ending up on the team with the most stupid character selections and the least useful players.

I usually wait until late to choose my hero and base this upon enemy choices. During this time I see the following. <Scout selected, ready> <Night Hunter Selected, ready> <Thunderbinger, ready> <Magebane, ready>. At this point I am banging my head on the table and try and choose a hero to balance this out. We then find ourselves facing Jereziah, Magmus, Defiler, Hag and Arachna.

This has happened in my last 20+ games and it's driving me barmy. How can I avoid this? Is it just karma for being a n00b earlier on?

*rant over, sorry*

[glassdarkly]

First two allies take Wretched Hag and Slither
Enemies take Succubus, Glacius, Torturer
Me: Guys, they have a lot of disables. We're gonna need some.
Idiot #1: I'm going Soulstealer!
Idiot #2: I'M RANDOMING!
Idiot #2: Someone should get a tank. Get Jereziah!
Me: WHAT? WE HAVE NO DISABLES CAN YOU PEOPLE READ?
Idiot #1: Well, I'm going Soulstealer, you should take Jereziah.

And then there's the time my allies went Magmus, Nighthound, Scout, Madman before the enemy players could pick a single hero.

I have pretty much resigned myself to playing Pollywog Priest/Succubus/etc a lot when my friends aren't online.

[ClownFoot]

reminds me of a painful game i played once.

"enemy 1 picked pestilence"
"enemy 2 picked arachna"
"ally 1 picked scout"
"ally 2 picked nighthound"
"ally 3 picked madman"
"enemy 3 picked pollywog"
"enemy 4 picked electrician"
"enemy 5 picked torturer"
"ally 4 picked magebane"
(in that exact order)

me: "/sigh.... ****"

[Damage]

You'll find more team-oriented people in RD or SD games then you will in AP or EM games.

Also, try joining a clan, it solved my problems. You're definitely welcome to join LC, we're just a group of below average-above average players that play mostly in-house 5v5 game. It's a clan of civil mannered people, no flamers, no elitist, no arrogant noobs. You can always just look through the clan forum for a clan of low skilled players wanting to play as a team and get better. There are plenty out there...

[YourMumRang]

Was thinking as much. Sadly my GTP (teacher training) starts next week so wouldn't feel fair on a clan to only be around for another week.

[Keitaru]

I don't avoid going insane. It's impossible.
The only thing that could possibly help me would be to go to each of the retards' homes and stab them in the face repetitively, proceed to cut up their bodies and stuff the remains inside their computer case, take their head and go drop it off a bridge onto a motorway.
Sadly, there is no in-game command for this, /ignore just doesn't do it for me.

[winterfresh1]

reminds me of a painful game i played once.

"enemy 1 picked pestilence"
"enemy 2 picked arachna"
"ally 1 picked scout"
"ally 2 picked nighthound"
"ally 3 picked madman"
"enemy 3 picked pollywog"
"enemy 4 picked electrician"
"enemy 5 picked torturer"
"ally 4 picked magebane"
(in that exact order)

me: "/sigh.... ****"

Pick Keeper Of The Forest. :D

[Vorret]

lol... the other team picks pestilence then your team picks scout and night hound is priceless...

I used to pick first now I never, ever do anymore after I went 3 games in a row with 0 range in our team ... let's say laning was hard, really hard.

[Jounsi]

How I avoid it? If I see people with stupid hero combinations, I pick Nighthound and go solo gank.

[dreamex]

I don't take it so seriously, or play a hero that you can carry pubbies with.

ie defiler, valkrie, etc.

often times the solution isn't to play support when you're with a bunch of morons, as there's literally nothing to support.

[Kokujin]

Last night, me and 2 friends chosed first and fast to show our team8s what was going to happen. We chosed Behe, Tempest, Pestilence,
Than, the forth picked nighthound, and I said, to the last, pls, pick any ranged (at least a ranged right), the guy said, "but I play a good scout"....ugh
Game starts

One fight at the middle, 3 oponents, me and NH was there, he gets out of invisibility, their puppet holds me, NH dies, and writes "why didnt u used ur ult?"
I said "well, I was holded, and if I ulted every1 would be alive at the end bc u wouldnt be able to kill and I would be dead as well"... he llaugh at me, man, man man.
In another fight I ulted, Behe ulted, every1 low on health, scout and NH alive, me, behe, and pestilence dead, every1 or their side alive.
I should have disconected at the 00:00 mark and avoid traumatic experience.

[Gangbangjoe]

I shout out loud, pure rage. I smash my head against the wall and flame my friends over ventrilo. Mashing your keyboard in chat to illustrate your anger towards your allies is also a great way.

[Desirable]

Pubs are bad for your blood pressure. It's a fact.
I drink a glass of cool water to calm myself ever so often in between matches. :P

[YourMumRang]

Ugh, just had a really close fought game. We were pushing hard then our Behemoth afk'd and fed them, then I had a wierd error come up and the game went mental, stopping me from clicking. Then one of our guys ragequit.

I need a clan :P

[patochaos]

It feels like I'm reading my own story.


My first 20 games I went up to 1600. Now I'm scrapping the low 1400.
Yesterday I had a match where my team picked 4 agi heroes. By lvl 8-10 we already lost all the towers. My team refused to concede, so we were farmed for 15 mins until the creeps destroyed the base.

Lots of fun.

[NimrodD]

I just tend to sigh, write angry chat messages, and carry on.
I hate it when you get into a match, when two of the members decide to pick NH or scout or Hammerstorm,(these three was just an example, but lately I've seen a lot of bad people using them), and be absolutely awful with them.
A thing that's really worse tho, is people that refuse to type in english, writing tons of stuff, not helping the team at all. Then the guy starts yelling in the mic, in the same god awful ear shattering cursed language, occasionally speaking an "english" word.

[Vorret]

It feels like I'm reading my own story.


My first 20 games I went up to 1600. Now I'm scrapping the low 1400.
Yesterday I had a match where my team picked 4 agi heroes. By lvl 8-10 we already lost all the towers. My team refused to concede, so we were farmed for 15 mins until the creeps destroyed the base.

Lots of fun.

when that happens and my team don't want to concede I H in the top side of the pool and alt-tab out... there's some interesting stuff on internet you know! :)

[Valor2002]

Finally I found some guys, suffering the same as i do. When our Team picks 2 invis...its instant loss. I HATE THAT!!! IT JUST SUCKS!!!! Why do people keep on picking NH and Scout? ARGH!
A Scout can be good, but thats very rare. Have seen like 2-3 decent scouts in my 100+ games. But i havent seen a decent night hound so far. Sometimes I wonder if people look at all at the picks of their enemys and allies.

5 agi heros is just as bad as 2 invis...it just sucks. Everyone wants to play a carry...except me i guess, i love supporter.

My last game was also very interesting. We had NO Carry. We were a tank + 3 Supporters + Pyromancer.
Me: "We have to end this quickly, if we wanna win"
Some guy: "Why?"
Me: "Because we dont have a carry at all and they are gonna kick our asses lategame"
Some other guy: "What is a carry? You mean a courier?"
Me: "NC...just lets finish this as soon as possible!"

[Skkra]

"Noobs" AKA "players who dont understand how HoN works" love to pick invisible heroes. They feel that it makes them unstoppable. They are always furious and puzzled when my team constantly dusts and wards them and, unable to save any money, they have a bracer and boots at level 14.

DO NOT PLAY AP GAMES where its just a mad rush for everyone to pick their heroes. This is the noobiest kind of game there is. RD and SD are both far superior. Games where players are 1650+ tend to be filled with smarter players, though not always.

Find someone good and play with them. Make friends here on the forums. Having a real team makes a lot of difference.

[dreamex]

In most pubs you can play Defiler to win, just tell everyone to push mid around the time you get your Helm of the Black Legion and use them for cannon fodder.

[Mordar1]

I stopped playing because of that, and nobody wants me in any decent game because "oh oh oh you have bad PSR and bad K/D ratio, j00 n00b" everyone it's an elitist here, and you are doomed to be on pubs unless you get I don't know a PSR of 2000 and a 400:0 K/D

I stopped playing HoN for a big while, I can't stand losing again at the hands of feeders and Scouts that never uses vanish :(

I mean I'm not a bad player, I'm "average" at best, but I've had a horrible luck going on pubs and having horrible teams, and nobody wants me in their clan, and everybody kicks me out of decent games :o

[ElementUser]

Pick a semi-carry yourself. Valkyrie is a good example of a semi-carry

[Mordar1]

doesn't matter what character you choose, it won't matter at all if the team you are isn't worth anything, that's my main gripe, I can play most heroes "decently" and play heroes that I like, like Accursed "pretty well" being a supporter/tank

but it means squat if the other team doesn't know how even buy items or scouts that don't vanish, or NH that never use smoke bomb, or a Swiftblade that thinks he is on god mode

[Greyface]

What really infuriates me isn't so much the people who underperform as much as the people who keep ragging on other players when their advice is terrible to begin with; you know the kind, the ones that keep blaming other players for their deaths following their suicidal rampages, or who insist on you hurling yourself into sure-death situations and rant at you when you prefer not to feed the enemy easy kills.

[dreamex]

doesn't matter what character you choose, it won't matter at all if the team you are isn't worth anything, that's my main gripe, I can play most heroes "decently" and play heroes that I like, like Accursed "pretty well" being a supporter/tank

but it means squat if the other team doesn't know how even buy items or scouts that don't vanish, or NH that never use smoke bomb, or a Swiftblade that thinks he is on god mode

I dunno, in most games around the 1500 PSR range everyone is pretty bad and I rarely feel that one team is just feeding the other team. You usually have 1-2 people per team that have horrendous K/D/A ratios and 1-2 people per team feeding off those. Leading to a relatively close game most of the time.

I do understand that teams do get steamrolled every so often but it would be my previous experience that more often then not, teams are pretty evenly distributed and you have a semi-decent game going on.

I would say that a theory of average distribution would disagree with most of you who claim you are always on the team that completely gets rolled and that you may be part of the problem, but it may just as well be possible that you just happen to have horrendous luck.

That said, I find most times the team that wins isn't necessarily more skilled then the team that loses at these rating levels, rather, they're slightly more organized in that the team with a better leader will often help their teammates become more useful and acclimated to the game to win.

Forgive me if this sounds a bit high-and-mighty or even downright mean, but HoN has a much better community than DotA did, probably by virtue of the nature of the closed beta, as a result, I've rarely seen extremely stubborn people insist on being bad. Most times when people are doing poorly they are open to advice and a good leader can help coordinate their team into working together.

I find that if you really are a decent player like many of you make yourselves out to be that maybe if you take more initiative to lead early and throughout the game you may find better results in your matches...

[Arnt]

when that happens and my team don't want to concede I H in the top side of the pool and alt-tab out... there's some interesting stuff on internet you know! :)
Then you would get automatically kicked for being afk.


By the way, why don't you all meet up and play some games? Perhaps you guys aren't deluded and you'll have some nice games.

[Bludgar]

This one person who had a 1400 PSR picks Scout at the last second and we all groaned inwardly. He says, "No, guys, trust me. I KNOW what I'm doing." and then says "Solo top." Little punk didn't even ward the river or anything.

[AnHero]

I like playing support and don't like leading so if I'm by myself I'm usually ****ed. Only way to stay sane is troll.

[YourMumRang]

I dunno, in most games around the 1500 PSR range everyone is pretty bad and I rarely feel that one team is just feeding the other team. You usually have 1-2 people per team that have horrendous K/D/A ratios and 1-2 people per team feeding off those. Leading to a relatively close game most of the time.

I do understand that teams do get steamrolled every so often but it would be my previous experience that more often then not, teams are pretty evenly distributed and you have a semi-decent game going on.

I would say that a theory of average distribution would disagree with most of you who claim you are always on the team that completely gets rolled and that you may be part of the problem, but it may just as well be possible that you just happen to have horrendous luck.

That said, I find most times the team that wins isn't necessarily more skilled then the team that loses at these rating levels, rather, they're slightly more organized in that the team with a better leader will often help their teammates become more useful and acclimated to the game to win.

Forgive me if this sounds a bit high-and-mighty or even downright mean, but HoN has a much better community than DotA did, probably by virtue of the nature of the closed beta, as a result, I've rarely seen extremely stubborn people insist on being bad. Most times when people are doing poorly they are open to advice and a good leader can help coordinate their team into working together.

I find that if you really are a decent player like many of you make yourselves out to be that maybe if you take more initiative to lead early and throughout the game you may find better results in your matches...

While that may be a valid point, the specific point a lot of us are making that our teams are picking horrendous hero choices. There is little you can do when your team picks Magebane, Night Hound and Scout. This has happened to me in my last 4 out of 5 games.

[TurpinoS]

Pick madman
Call solo mid
Go bottle
Farm for 55 minutes without ever ganking / helping your team except when you are sure you can have 2+ kills and not die.

Proceed to rape the other team with 4 T4 items.

Works pretty well if you look at my stats.

[EnragedCamel]

In games like this, I just turn on some music, buy runes of blight with all the gold I have, then start tunneling towards the enemy base through the forest on the edge of the map.

Either that, or buy lots of monkey couriers and rush the enemy with them.

[Demonite]

I don't avoid going insane in pub games... I take madman and embrace the psychosis. :p

Seriously, though... I had this game last night, 5v5... We had a good balanced team, 2 str, 2 Agi, 1 int... They had 3 int, Scout and blood hunter... And thier blood hunter wasn't bad, I admit... The rest of them... well, they just got counter-picked really. Ophelia and defiler just fed me because they had noone who could deal enough damage fast enough to make me back off without getting 1-2 kills... They just instantly conceded as soon as they could, after 2 of them left 10 minutes into the game due to sheer hopelessness... :<

It's no fun to be on either side of a poor pick. It's hard enough for me to even find a game sometimes. I tend to get kicked for sucking... and then I join another game and I get kicked for being *too* good. =\

[Vorret]

Then you would get automatically kicked for being afk.


By the way, why don't you all meet up and play some games? Perhaps you guys aren't deluded and you'll have some nice games.


nah you move once in a while
never been kicked.
0% leave :)

yesterday I join a game... check stats.
25% leave ... ehh ok.
other guy 17%
next one 11%

I'm like WTF is going on.
The 25% starts saying "I leave cuz there's gay people in my clan"

UH?


edit: tthat was kinda off topic... sorry lol

[akitoes]

Pick Demented Shaman.

gg

[dreamex]

While that may be a valid point, the specific point a lot of us are making that our teams are picking horrendous hero choices. There is little you can do when your team picks Magebane, Night Hound and Scout. This has happened to me in my last 4 out of 5 games.

But do you think this never happens to the other team that you're playing, or do you just not remember when it happens because it's not negative to you?

All I'm saying is that play enough and things should even out, unless of course, you're all the most unlucky people in the world.

[Bonburner]

Just never expect much from a pub game. Never. If you find yourself having even a little bit of fun, you're set. Something bad happens, nothing new.

Dunno, must be the players in all your timezones or something... (I'm in USWest... so I guess this isn't a valid argument...)

Most of the 1600+ games I've been in have been fairly decent. Even if there's some trash-talking and team friction at the start, it usually mellows out and turns into a decent game. I have only ever complained about people who can't speak English (can't work as a team if you can't talk to the guy). Playing with my friends... is another story. A bunch of nerd ragers. XD

[LegoPirate]

do the magmus approach (i saw this in a guide once)

Step 1: pick magmus first pick
step 2: roll face on keyboard
step 3: let the bloodbath commence

[Darkstrand]

Make the best out of it, pick a hero you'd like to play and go apeshit.

What I do is pick Magebane and get support items, no other way to play him imo.

[ViperThunder]

Hi all.
I usually wait until late to choose my hero and base this upon enemy choices. During this time I see the following. <Scout selected, ready> <Night Hunter Selected, ready> <Thunderbinger, ready> <Magebane, ready>. At this point I am banging my head on the table and try and choose a hero to balance this out. We then find ourselves facing Jereziah, Magmus, Defiler, Hag and Arachna.

This has happened in my last 20+ games and it's driving me barmy. How can I avoid this? Is it just karma for being a n00b earlier on?

*rant over, sorry*
I play only -AR games. And when i play -AP games I always random before anyone else picks their heroes. Try this! You might start gaining psr. I was down at 1300 last week but now I'm up near 1800.

[Oranges1]

I've had many curious encounters myself recently.


I get stunned near my tower and 2 guys gang up on me, my ally chills just out of range and when I die he stuns them and runs.
A magebane that goes out of his way to get all the money he can by creep stealing, telling me half way through game to get off our lane so he can farm and eventually kill stealing the whole team all game.
Many cases of people insulting the team that concedes.
Many cases of people not wanting to concede because they feel they are the only ones performing well and as such the game must continue.
My worst pet peeve is when someone tells you that you suck or this or that thing you have/did sucks and then does not even help you or explain anything to you.

I'm starting to get this negative vibe that pushed me away from playing Dota on warcraft. I guess as someone previously pointed out, it's impossible to avoid going insane.

[Zolo1]

lol if you guys actually get mad at playing a game...

[LegoPirate]

lol if you guys actually get mad at playing a game...

some people have balls and are actually competitive. im sick of people telling me they "dont care" or "arent trying". you play a competitive game to be competitive, not to be some apathetic loser.

[Whitebushid1]

I've had many curious encounters myself recently.


I get stunned near my tower and 2 guys gang up on me, my ally chills just out of range and when I die he stuns them and runs.
A magebane that goes out of his way to get all the money he can by creep stealing, telling me half way through game to get off our lane so he can farm and eventually kill stealing the whole team all game.
Many cases of people insulting the team that concedes.
Many cases of people not wanting to concede because they feel they are the only ones performing well and as such the game must continue.
My worst pet peeve is when someone tells you that you suck or this or that thing you have/did sucks and then does not even help you or explain anything to you.

I'm starting to get this negative vibe that pushed me away from playing Dota on warcraft. I guess as someone previously pointed out, it's impossible to avoid going insane.

Creep stealing as in... last hitting?

[Utred]

Creep stealing as in... last hitting?
God I hate those people. From early on they don't do anything and just steal the last hits! While I'm doing my best to kill that tower!

Someone actually said something like that to me in a game once.

[Anonymous5]

DO NOT PLAY AP GAMES where its just a mad rush for everyone to pick their heroes. This is the noobiest kind of game there is. RD and SD are both far superior.
Actually I gave up on playing RD/SD games 'cause the amount of morons happened to be the same than in AP.
The sole point being that AP gives me better chances to pick a counter.

[ClownFoot]

God I hate those people. From early on they don't do anything and just steal the last hits! While I'm doing my best to kill that tower!

Someone actually said something like that to me in a game once.

someone tried to kick vote me once for creep stealing him. his arguement was "im doing all the damage and all he is doing is taking the last hits! kick this noob piece of crap"

[AeFeSS]

what i do when allies seems like stupid shitfaced bunch of ugly abort-victims? Hmm, I begin to build a nice selective three-stage russian mat (filthy language).
Little help, but not much...

Although, thank gods, i do not start to behave like the one german boy who played the CS or Unreal (do not clearly remember)...

[Wolfsong]

Actually I gave up on playing RD/SD games 'cause the amount of morons happened to be the same than in AP.
The sole point being that AP gives me better chances to pick a counter.

I agree with you for RD games.

Typical RD game:

I: "Guys pick gankers nukers first and pick carry last. Get 4 gankers 1 carry. We can swap later if you want".

Ally 1 picks Scout.

Opponent 1 & 2 pick Magmus and Behemoth.

Ally 2 & 3 pick puppet master and armadon.

Opponent 3 & 4 pick Pollywog priest and tempest.

Ally 4 picks Madman.

I: "........................might as well random."

Opponent 5 picks Pestilence.

[RainbowPower]

what i do when allies seems like stupid shitfaced bunch of ugly abort-victims? Hmm, I begin to build a nice selective three-stage russian mat (filthy language).
Little help, but not much...

Although, thank gods, i do not start to behave like the one german boy who played the CS or Unreal (do not clearly remember)...

German kid playing an Unreal game. so funny.
also, make friends in-game. invite your real friends. i never play a full pub game

[Oranges1]

Creep stealing as in... last hitting?
not last hitting the lane creeps but the ones in the forest

[Nole]

Noobs are wrecking this game. psr needs to be based on denys and first bloods etc.
When you have took the time to farm up like maybe 2/0/1. and have got a tower down etc. last hitting those creeps like a boss feeling proud; then you feel really sad when your pyromancer has 6 deaths and their madman has 6 kills. Despite all your effort you can not beat him. And it starts to result in your death. that is QQ.

[Bobnintendo]

German kid playing an Unreal game. so funny.
also, make friends in-game. invite your real friends. i never play a full pub game

You mean that one german kid that was acting and totally not serious? Yeah I remember that kid...

[berk_]

I put my elbow through the glass bookcase behind me, resulting in a 2:00 AM trip to the emergency room.

[Anonymous5]

I agree with you for RD games.
SD is even worse tbh since players won't tell/swap their picks, and wait for the last moment to reveal an incredible lineup of melee carries.

[Mordar1]

I dunno, in most games around the 1500 PSR range everyone is pretty bad and I rarely feel that one team is just feeding the other team. You usually have 1-2 people per team that have horrendous K/D/A ratios and 1-2 people per team feeding off those. Leading to a relatively close game most of the time.

I do understand that teams do get steamrolled every so often but it would be my previous experience that more often then not, teams are pretty evenly distributed and you have a semi-decent game going on.

I would say that a theory of average distribution would disagree with most of you who claim you are always on the team that completely gets rolled and that you may be part of the problem, but it may just as well be possible that you just happen to have horrendous luck.

That said, I find most times the team that wins isn't necessarily more skilled then the team that loses at these rating levels, rather, they're slightly more organized in that the team with a better leader will often help their teammates become more useful and acclimated to the game to win.

Forgive me if this sounds a bit high-and-mighty or even downright mean, but HoN has a much better community than DotA did, probably by virtue of the nature of the closed beta, as a result, I've rarely seen extremely stubborn people insist on being bad. Most times when people are doing poorly they are open to advice and a good leader can help coordinate their team into working together.

I find that if you really are a decent player like many of you make yourselves out to be that maybe if you take more initiative to lead early and throughout the game you may find better results in your matches...

nah I Get what you are saying, most times I win It's because of both skills and good hero choices, but most than not, the times I lose it's mostly because of a horrible bad team instead of losing because the other team was better

I mean losing with both good players and great characters it's ok, losing because the devourer calls you noob because you didn't go rambo on the cyclone swiftblade as a Caster while at the same time the devourer itself just fed said swift it's bad, very very bad

[LegoPirate]

I put my elbow through the glass bookcase behind me, resulting in a 2:00 AM trip to the emergency room.

LOL

THATS AWESOME

sucks tho.

[YourMumRang]

So does picking random reduce PSR loss and increase gain?

[Vascariz]

Just relax and forget about PSR.

[Mud`kip]

Could'nt agree more on some posts here. Most of the time it's freaking bad for your health to play pubs:<

[SchiSch2]

So does picking random reduce PSR loss and increase gain?

i think no.

[Dorana]

I normaly play grouped with one of my friends, We can usually in bugs go in a team of Swiftblade/Demented Shaman, I can make use of his shield aswell as he can cast a heal on me the secons I stop spinning, damaging enemies and healing me.
But this only happens if the oposing theme hasn't already chosen heroes, we normaly have a descussion about countering, however other players in pub seldom think about this issue and as many has said, counters Pest with Nighthound, nor do they switch lane when they realize that their hero has no chance against the hero from the oposing team.

Though it's not all bad, it has happened times when others dop chose good counters and do work as a team

[PoopyDesires]

I played a game with a Bloodhunter in my lane while I was playing Behe.

I kept telling the god damn retard to silence them so I could fissure them for bloodlust.

He never did silence them, but the funny thing was his silence was always down since he always used it.

On me.

[TaNnEnZaPfEn]

I played a game with a Bloodhunter in my lane while I was playing Behe.

I kept telling the god damn retard to silence them so I could fissure them for bloodlust.

He never did silence them, but the funny thing was his silence was always down since he always used it.

On me.
easy maths. more dmg more cs? might fail sometimes though!

[PoopyDesires]

He thought his silence made fissure do moar damage ;[

[Valor2002]

I had a very satisfying match today!!

We were still in the starting lobby and the host was together with a friend on spot 1&2 of Legion. Their PSR was around 1550. Then the game got filled by connecting players. He checked every player and talked them to the slots he would like them. The Result was:
On HIS Legion Side: 4 Players locked with 1550+ and one player unlocked (me) with 1600.
On the Hellbourne Side were 4 Players locked also: 1 First Time Player, 2 with PSR < 1400 and one guy with 1450 or something. But the Hellbournes were not locked by the host because they wanted so, but because he did not wanted those players on his team...

Then he Autobalanced and of course, i got swapped to the Hellbourne...with a First-Time Player and 3 Players under 1450... against 4 Players with 1550+ even one 1650+....I sighed and said to the host that he cant be serious...But I Thought ok, give it a try!
In the End, we raped them!!! I loved it. That was such a good feeling destroying this set up. They were trying to Pub stomp and got stomped instead...The Game endet as soon as they could concede :)

I wish there would be replays already !!!

[Darqion]

Well theres a ton of relatively new players (me included) to the genre, and as such... i know what a counter pick IS, i just dont know... which heroes counter which yet :P

And to add to this problem is that 90% of the experienced crowd prefers whining about picks then actually helping out.

[dreamex]

Well theres a ton of relatively new players (me included) to the genre, and as such... i know what a counter pick IS, i just dont know... which heroes counter which yet :P

And to add to this problem is that 90% of the experienced crowd prefers whining about picks then actually helping out.

I find this to be a problem almost as much as bad players making bad picks.

Sometimes people are too quick to pin the blame when they themselves are not willing to offer insight and advice. We must remember, not everyone was a DotA regular and even fewer have DotA League/Comp experience to know what good pick/counterpicks are.

[Fu__plate]

I had a very satisfying match today!!

We were still in the starting lobby and the host was together with a friend on spot 1&2 of Legion. Their PSR was around 1550. Then the game got filled by connecting players. He checked every player and talked them to the slots he would like them. The Result was:
On HIS Legion Side: 4 Players locked with 1550+ and one player unlocked (me) with 1600.
On the Hellbourne Side were 4 Players locked also: 1 First Time Player, 2 with PSR < 1400 and one guy with 1450 or something. But the Hellbournes were not locked by the host because they wanted so, but because he did not wanted those players on his team...

Then he Autobalanced and of course, i got swapped to the Hellbourne...with a First-Time Player and 3 Players under 1450... against 4 Players with 1550+ even one 1650+....I sighed and said to the host that he cant be serious...But I Thought ok, give it a try!
In the End, we raped them!!! I loved it. That was such a good feeling destroying this set up. They were trying to Pub stomp and got stomped instead...The Game endet as soon as they could concede :)

I wish there would be replays already !!!
Had a similar experience today...according to PSR, our chances to win against 3 clanners and 2 randoms were 35%:65%. Two or three different people tried to concede at various points but I had faith, and at the end of an epic hour long back and forth we finally won.

Feels good to beat them at their own game :D

[Wearisome]

Play Single Draft, I've found much better teams there. All Heroes is kind of lame in my opinion.

[Valor2002]

Well theres a ton of relatively new players (me included) to the genre, and as such... i know what a counter pick IS, i just dont know... which heroes counter which yet :P

And to add to this problem is that 90% of the experienced crowd prefers whining about picks then actually helping out.

I always try to tell people what to pick when I come along a player with only a few games. But I doubt most of them even reading the chat before picking. I hate it, when people in SD Games do not announce what heros they have available and which they want to take. That makes it so much harder to pick a fitting hero!

In RD Games I always make suggestions, but it is VERY RARE someone listens. I had so many games ending up with 4 carries, while behemoth, magmus, demented, electrician were left unpicked :(

[UberBahamut]

Well how about this Team 1 picks a good line up!

Magmas, Puppet Master, Electicitan, Dazzle & Valk

VRS

4 agi carries & 1 crappy int

We lost because Arachna was allowed to farm up (no miss calls/deny from mid) Assassins cloak, MoM equlivant (forget the name) & Steam boots in 14 f-ing minutes. *edit* This WAS NOT AN EM GAME EITHER

Team mates would run in 1 v 1 her next to her tower.

I dispair at freaking pubs games atm. Try playing with mates/clan - no1 plays because PSR is stacked in our favour (about 10%)

[RedPowerVan]

How can I avoid this? Is it just karma for being a n00b earlier on?


Try discussing the picks with your team before they just up and choose their heroes. Other than that.. you may just have to get some reliable friends to play with. :[

[scrubs32782]

I love even SD games where you finally get an even % match at the beginning. Picks come up:

me: Ok, guys..I have arachna/TB/zeph

.5 seconds later

team starts picking like crazy....

scout...nighthound....chronos..dark lady

I'm not kidding about those picks :<

[dreamex]

I love even SD games where you finally get an even % match at the beginning. Picks come up:

me: Ok, guys..I have arachna/TB/zeph

.5 seconds later

team starts picking like crazy....

scout...nighthound....chronos..dark lady

I'm not kidding about those picks :<

I call BS 'cause you have AGI/INT/INT :P

It should always be AGI/INT/STR ;)

[RPZip]

I played a game with a Bloodhunter in my lane while I was playing Behe.

I kept telling the god damn retard to silence them so I could fissure them for bloodlust.

He never did silence them, but the funny thing was his silence was always down since he always used it.

On me.

This is why Blood Hunter in the hands of a newb is a deadly, deadly thing.

I had a game where the Blood Hunter kept using Blood Feast on their Madman and Scout, turning underfarmed carries into "oh god I'm going to die". It was fantastic.

[Kzanu]

My brothers in suffering... in a day....from 1600+ PSR down to 1400... I know, I think also that PSR doesn't matter...but it allows you to play with smarter players/teams.

My day started good: had a pizza , a shower, a movie (day off ) and then HoN.

1st game: 1&2 allies pick Chronos and Dark Lady.... a tear came out.../chat guys these are extremelly hard heroes to play with , only viable in late game /answ" shut up, we know how to play", chronos was fbed and disc, dark lady died twice in a row and disc... btw I was poly trying to babysit... first game lost -20 min , - psr

2nd game - you know this ****- team gets nighthoud and scout first pick, another tear, then the others go Magmus (me :"Pleeeeeease don't get the Behemoth "), Behemoth(me"Fking HELL!!!!!!"), Armadon. I went dev, buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut Armado got a fking EYE and eack time scout and night aproached... like they were some retarted fking ninjas going 2 vs 3 on them with us trying to reach them and telling them "DO NOT GO ALONE Obi One Kenobi, I AM your only hope to live!"... this happened 4 times , the exact procedure:::: Magmus activated his ult then used portal key on them, Behe + Shruken +portal key + ultimate, Armadon snoted both , and they died in 3 sec...this happened starting at lvl 6 and continued each ~3 min I was 1 ws 2 -ing with success and we lost due to them being over fed-8 kills from 2 players that did not lane in less than 10 min.

3rd game I went Hammerstorm and went tank+carry on him- behe heart, runed axe, bracers, Phase Boots, and shield; we had pyro , madman, ss in our team, they had nighthound, tree, arachna, swiftblade... I went in with fking 90% splash damage!!!!, the tree rooted me, they all jumped on me...I brought them down to 40-50% of life alone ....WHIE THE FKING TEAM STOOD NEAR THE TOWER ONE SCREEN TO THE LEFT AND KILLED CREEPS(dear reader, please note that we were all gathered together at the begining, and pyro was using his aoe spells only to kill creeps. ) At that time, with my ulti on I was dealing close to 400+ dmg per hit, with fking 90% splash. Of course after I was dead, they picked on a pyro and a madman without mana(they used it all on creeps). 3 consecutive pushes, where I was the N1 target , and teammates running and they closed thegame.

--- went out, went to the gym, worked my ass out, slept ate, drank 3 beers----

4th game we went swift, legionnaire (me), arachna, behe and defiler.
Defiler was FBed and disc, arachna was 2nd to be fragged and disc- first 3 min.


Lucky for me I have a Darts board . I closed the PC and proceeded to play darts and drink beer.

[Valor2002]

I love even SD games where you finally get an even % match at the beginning. Picks come up:

me: Ok, guys..I have arachna/TB/zeph

.5 seconds later

team starts picking like crazy....

scout...nighthound....chronos..dark lady

I'm not kidding about those picks :<

Had something like that 3 times today :( I hate it.
Ended up twice with Scout and Night Hound on my team...After two Minutes FIRSTBLOOD! DOUBLE KILL. Both dead...I was just like "sigh..."
And another game, I had to solo mid with devourer against arachna, because defiler did not want to go mid...I was so lucky that arachna was probably the worst arachna ever :D

[Bali1]

I played a game with a Bloodhunter in my lane while I was playing Behe.

I kept telling the god damn retard to silence them so I could fissure them for bloodlust.

He never did silence them, but the funny thing was his silence was always down since he always used it.

On me.

Maybe he did it because you kept calling him a retard?

[sandmanccl]

I pub 3v3 instead of 5v5. Generally speaking, if you're good enough with a carry hero, it won't matter all that much what the other two people on your team pick.

Pub games wouldn't be as bad if there was something other than just trial and error to figure out what hero is good against what other hero. Having never played DotA, I am still more or less playing with a hero I know nothing about despite the fact I hit rank 6 on my account and can't do noob only games anymore to try and keep learning. I realize that such a thing appeals to a certain kind of gamer that seems rather abundant in the HoN crowd, but I personally like having things explained to me or an option to figure it out on my own without having to tank my PSR even further into the ground.

[anubus72]

just choose arachna and kill everyone, at low ratings you get a lot of opportunities to gank and arachna is amazing at it

[Fuga]

don't play AP ****ing cake

[Lee_K]

yeah this happed to me and you get dragged down because your team are clueless at picking. I just invited myself to beta again, played about 10+ noob only games as arachna and farmed till 1700+ then started joining 1700+ games where you know that 90% of the time you will co-operate with the team :)

[RowSkin]

Is there a tutorial or guide on how to make a good team?

[documents]

Game Selection.

Inspect players. Be wary of players with high K:D with little assists. If you see 3-4+ locks in the game, try to be on their side.

[Dorana]

I suggest that if you have problems selecting a good char to help your team, and ofcause you can play. then I suggest you ask the team as fast as possible in the selection chat, it helped me at start.

[YourMumRang]

Try discussing the picks with your team before they just up and choose their heroes. Other than that.. you may just have to get some reliable friends to play with. :[

Not much help when they choose immediately!

Also, gonna invite myself again too!

*Vent: BLOODY STUPID PERSON IN PUB *****ING AT REST OF THE TEAM AND JUST FEEDING*

[Fleder]

i always find myself in a public game with at least 3 morons in my team, not focusing 1 hero while a gankg, no everyone hunts down a single one, the scout prefers to run behind one hero, trying to escape with above 50% hp, not staying in our nearly destroyed base, just to get a kill.

im not playing publics anymore, only if 3+ friends are with me

[Sadist]

Play.
With.
Friends.

[SolidStroke]

Yelling over mic is a wonderful outlet for anger.

[Jinso]

Yelling over mic is a wonderful outlet for anger.

And that's the reason almost everyone muted ingame voice chat ;p

[LightRain]

Yesterday, in a 3v3
I choose Pebbles, my first time playing him. I miss some stuns early but I get the hang of it.
My teammates are... Succubus, okay, not so bad... Scout... ummm... guys we can't deal damage
Versus Magmus, Swiftblade, Pyromancer... wheeeeeeee

Scout fails to kill the soloing Pyromancer about 20 times. Succubus ragequits. I call concede. Scout does not vote for it. Scout wants one more kill. You know what? Fine. It's like 4 in the morning and I wasn't doing anything anyway. Let's get you one more kill.
5 ****ING MINUTES LATER, I suicide into the magmus that's shopping, eat his ult, and tbh I did 80% of the damage to him but let the Scout KS so it can be over with. (Of course Pyro nukes me just as we get the kill.)

**** all Scout players.

On the other hand, it's delicious to be on the other team. I 'carried' my team as Jereziah by making sure the Slither carry never ever died, and in the lategame I told the noobs to buy as many Wards as possible and throw them all over the enemy base to shut down NH and Scout. It was glorious.

[`14FAussie]

Don't pub? Stats don't mean ****. Everyone who actually cares or pays attention to stats is obviously new. Anyone good at this game will realize there are different ways of playing the game, some of those ways require you to die for your team or waste your gold on other things besides items, leading you do die a few times you should not of. Or roaming with a hero so you don't get to farm a lot of creeps.

Seriously if your going to pay attention to stats just play em games, pick pyro or tiny. Get a blink and dagon 5 with a bloodstone. Nuke farm with bots all game and farm heroes every time your cd's are up. You should be able to go 20-0 each game, some games maybe 40-50 kills and have about 200-400 cs avg per game. Guess that would make you the ****.

[YourMumRang]

Said than done. Once I get a few invites I'll ask some mates.

[Czech0]

I used ms paint on my desktop and added in big bold letters.

*NO SUPPORT IN PUBS

I will never play support in a pub. Reason being, your team will not help you and you will die and get mad.

I always play nuker/carry. I tend to like pestilence(stun, speed, dps), pyromancer(stun, nuke), defiler(badass). Heroes like this don't really need a good team. If you think your good and your team is noob then pick a carry and lead them to victory. If your team sucks too much, then atleast you get your kills and have some fun.

Nothing worse than playing support and your team sucking. You cant get kills. You are an easy target. No one to support. And no one will back you up when you go for a disable.

[TheDrNick]

Entered a game, waited to pick my hero until everyone else picked theirs, getting ignored when trying to advise. They ended up picking scout/NH/dark lady/moon queen :(. So I picked KotF.

The game ended 46:6 to the opposition. My K/D/A was 4/2/3. I think dark lady was killed 17 times(!).

[Dreamtime2k9]

Your so lucky with all the noobs on your team... I've played more 4v5 games in the past couple of days then 5v5, sadly even with friends that suddenly had to go afk for "important bussiness" like gf msg'ing them on msn and ****.

I'd play sd/rd games if i'd be able to play multiple heros properly... which sadly i can't.I'm at 5 heroes i'd be able to play fairly decent now :>

Anyway last game today:
my team: nighthound,torturer(me),magmus,jereziah,Tempest
enemy team: swiftblade, thunderbringer,arach,Behemoth,pyromancer

matchup(first impression): meh it could've been worse, figured if magmus & jere(they where friends) stick together they'd get some kills and tempest could come with me and get some kills aswell, teambattles looked nice with 2x aoe stun/tempest ulti while nighthound scouts and picks off low hp heroes and tosses some silences.

teammate1: wow this game looks better then demigod
teammate2: i've never played tempest before so bare with me
teammate3: Jereziah, first skill(aoe cleave thing)
me: Solo mid please
1st creepwave: 4 people standing mid, me:/cry
I go top and decide to let one of em have mid and figured i'd go for an early kill with magmus on top.
5 seconds later: 5 people in the top lane, me :/cry oh well lets go for the early gankkill on top then, it can't be THAT hard with 5 people here, right?
*magmus died to neutrals trying to stun them from the back*
*nighthound died to creeps despite me stunning the wave so he could easely get back*
Nighthound: Why didn't i go invis like the guy from last game?
*jereziah died to tower, with full mana ofc!*
Tempest: lol my meteor keeps missing
me: /ragequit after having played 10+games simular to this, this was kind of the drop for me today... T_T

I need more friends :'(

[talam]

What's been driving me crazy lately is when my friends I play, this invariably happens:
We'll go make a map, 4v4 usually, sometimes 3v3 when a friend can't get on.
We specify noob only because despite what our levels say, we still suck. We play a lot, but we still suck.
People join.
Then, it's either a) we get our asses rolled or b) one of our opponents leaves within the first five minutes and we wind up winning the game.

Every game I've played that I've won for the last few games since we moved onto noobs allowed and not noobs only has gone this way. I had a Pyromancer quit because I killed him with Devourer five minutes in. One death and then [generic *******] disconnected. Seriously, I'm beginning to enjoy losing more because at least I'm learning something.

Though to be fair, sometimes you'll get total noobs on the opposing team, a teammate of theirs will leave, but the noobs will be absolutely gracious about losing. They'll ask for tips and advice and be nice about the process. Even though the victory isn't very satisfying, dealing with these guys makes the entire match enjoyable and a good memory.

[rofflewoffle]

the pills

[Hazard1024]

You know what is even worse? People dont make their **** picks until last seconds. It's like they want the team to suck on purpose. If they would take a shitty pick right of the bat atleast it is possible to take a hero that can somehow compensate but no, the idiots wait till 5 sconds left and take scout and night hound in addition to Mad man and Darklady or some such.

[Hazard1024]

Another pet peeve is people who start *****ing and spamming concede votes after one or two nooby deaths. I mean FFS you suck anyway, why do you think the whole team should lose because of you? After a few votes fail they usualy do stupid stuff like forresting even when pushes and ganks are going on and spend more time ranting then playing.

[PandaPanda]

It's weird that you guys have such vocal pubs who ask things like "why is my NH being seen?"

My games are just filled with terrible, terrible players who are all silent. Like playing with untalented robots. Scouts who can't eye the river, NHs who don't smoke bomb, etc. etc.

[Arktor]

You get used to it. Your enemies are a pub too, you know. Just because they have better hero choices doesn't mean that they're any good with them.

[Zolo1]

some people have balls and are actually competitive. im sick of people telling me they "dont care" or "arent trying". you play a competitive game to be competitive, not to be some apathetic loser.
Yes, they must be it. Be super competitive in a video game and start nerd raging.

[tchiseen]

Stack one team full of smurfs: problem solved.

[Os]

i don't avoid going insane. It's impossible.
The only thing that could possibly help me would be to go to each of the retards' homes and stab them in the face repetitively, proceed to cut up their bodies and stuff the remains inside their computer case, take their head and go drop it off a bridge onto a motorway.
Sadly, there is no in-game command for this, /ignore just doesn't do it for me.


i so agree

[Fuga]

what if i dont have any friends??!!!!!!!????

[Gangbangjoe]

what if i dont have any friends??!!!!!!!????

You must be a very lonely person. I made about 10 ingame friends already, I enjoy playing with them, and they ask me for their games too. It's not hard to find someone you like. If you enjoyed playing with someone, ask him for another game via a whisper. If that went well, ask him if he minds if you add him as a buddy. Play some more games together.

Do that a couple of times and you'll find yourself playing with 5 buddies.

[Sufferr]

Kkk there was this time I was playing a pub
was afk on the room and the game started ( the character selecting ) and then it was like 4 secs left ringing and I didnt even look at my team or enemie's
I randomed.
(They had pesti, blood hunter and uh the other good stealth counter hero)
I got scout.
My team started yelling at me so hard.. =x


did 10- 0 - ~6 in around 20 min
and we won in 30 with me doing 20-1-10
so...
this is supposed to mean:
Considering it is not a tournament or something like that, and yeah u dont know the other 4 players prolly, you will only win IMO if u try playing guiding your team by telling them what to do because u will prolly have around 2-3 noobs on your team.. so.. if u tell then what to do, no matter what the hero composition is, you can still win.
just try making they work as a team, call your lane misses and theirs too, compensate them !
it works as a good train for you too.


=x

[ClownFoot]

leading in kill steals doesnt mean you should lead your team sufferr

[Archnation]

Last game i played with two of my clannies (5v5) One of our allies picked succubus and yells out "I'M SOLOING MID" when i picked slither to specifically abuse 4 of their 5 picks being squishies. He responds with, "If i dont get solo mid i'm quitting" ... so we give him solo mid. He proceeds to KS for a good majority of the game and everyone starts making fun of him, even the other team. After a while the succubus goes afk to spite us and another teammate leaves. With just me and my two friends (no carry) we went on to win. Turns out any hero can carry with enough items :P

[aif]

If the team sucks, try and solo carry it? Lead ganks and stuff, be vocal. I guess that's why most games now have a certain minimum in PSR to join. Although, this most definitely does not mean they will all be good players.

[Wolfsong]

if u tell then what to do, no matter what the hero composition is, you can still win.


Not true. Communication during hero picking and hence picking a good combo is as important if not more important as communication during game. Picking a bad composition to go against a good composition is likely to result in a loss no matter how good your in game communication is.

[_Archangel_]

In most pubs you can play Defiler to win, just tell everyone to push mid around the time you get your Helm of the Black Legion and use them for cannon fodder.

Terrible idea. Rush a 20 minute Sacrificial Stone instead.

[B4M53F4R]

I don't avoid going insane. It's impossible.
The only thing that could possibly help me would be to go to each of the retards' homes and stab them in the face repetitively, proceed to cut up their bodies and stuff the remains inside their computer case, take their head and go drop it off a bridge onto a motorway.
Sadly, there is no in-game command for this, /ignore just doesn't do it for me.

Read my mind, you are ****ing awesome

[Desuuuu]

Pub games drive me crazy. I'll only play them when I have at least 2 of the 4 people I normally play with. Mainly because I always get paired up with people who don't know what they're doing and don't know when to listen.

Me : "Ok, Glacius, imprison Nymph and I'll take her out."
Glacius : /lanes more.
Me : "Glacius! Imprison Nymph!"
Glacius : "FINE NOOB, JUST SHUTUP" /imprisons.
Me : /attacks till imprison runs out and stuns again.
Glacius : /goes back to laning not doing anything to help in the gank.
Enemy Magmus : /stuns me and kills me with the help of Nymph
Glacius : "STOP FEEDING YOU NOOB."

People like this make me rage SO hard. And this happens EVERY game I'm in.

[Hurfdurf]

I just try to communicate with my mic and get people communicating from the get go. It really sucks that I've come to believe a lot of heroes are bad because there's so many bad people picking them :mad:

[Comma]

Everyone in AP/SD are usually obsessed with either

a) Getting the hero they want (Which is 90% a carry of flavour of the month) or
b) Waiting until the last moment so they can't get counterpicked.

So I pick or random a hero straight off the bat, so I can blame my team later.

[Marcusino]

So, I am a noob. But I seen awfully good teams and awfully bad teams. I been arguing with Dota players and so on, fun fun. Or not.

I although wonder about all those odd...terms. Any one can direct me to a place where I can read em?

I tend to always pick Succubus first hand in battles now. In like 1 sec, I guess that is bad? But I find the many disables fits my playing still a lot.

[Nedrapter]

I although wonder about all those odd...terms. Any one can direct me to a place where I can read em?

I tend to always pick Succubus first hand in battles now. In like 1 sec, I guess that is bad? But I find the many disables fits my playing still a lot.

What odd terms? I'll explain you if i can. Succubus is a great pick if you team is above average skill.

As a reply to the starting topic, the answer is : **** happens.

Pub game will always be pub. That's what they are meant to be. Carefree games, with noobs mostly, without any strategies, the best place to try new tactics and builds.
You wana avoid all this rage? Try joining some private channels with better playing skill. If you get rejected from one, try another. If you get rejected on all, then your skill isn't enough for non-pub games, and you may also were the reasons of raging someone else in these games.

[Tempered]

Best way not to go insane in pubs is play nothing but APEM noob only games, pick armadon, and go codex and puzzlebox.

[Well_Shebber]

Lol. I just recently played an ap game in which the other team immediately picked War Beast, Blood Hunter, Behemoth, and Magmus.

I smiled a little bit on the inside, and then picked Legionnaire. Many, many kills were farmed.

[GreyShot020]

Okay here is a good one. When you play RD and the enemy team picks Tempest and any one other random AOE hero, what do you do?

Answer: You concede. Like right away, don't even play. Just concede.

[Inconmon]

Reminds me of that awesome -RD game I had. I picked Soulstealer as first pick. Then the enemy team went thunderbringer and pyromancer. Obv my team goes full agi now. Retards.

[Sordak]

Hi all.

I've been playing HoN for 3 weeks now. I've a good grasp of the game and am learning how to be good for the team. Initially, I was choosing n00b choices and loved Night Hound. I was doing really well, getting to 1600psr rather quickly but I was essentially being carried by my team.

Now, I am down to 1230. This has happened in the last 4 days. I am a much better played and am choosing the more useful heroes and am (trying) to work as part of a team. I have simply kept ending up on the team with the most stupid character selections and the least useful players.

I usually wait until late to choose my hero and base this upon enemy choices. During this time I see the following. <Scout selected, ready> <Night Hunter Selected, ready> <Thunderbinger, ready> <Magebane, ready>. At this point I am banging my head on the table and try and choose a hero to balance this out. We then find ourselves facing Jereziah, Magmus, Defiler, Hag and Arachna.

This has happened in my last 20+ games and it's driving me barmy. How can I avoid this? Is it just karma for being a n00b earlier on?

*rant over, sorry*

if you play noob games expect noobs...

and if you play noob games you can expect what heros are chosen EVERY game: Arachna, Magmus and Nighthound (however scout isnt that ofthen picked)

[divsang]

DO NOT PLAY AP GAMES where its just a mad rush for everyone to pick their heroes. This is the noobiest kind of game there is. RD and SD are both far superior. Games where players are 1650+ tend to be filled with smarter players, though not always.


Truth

[Valor2002]

My last two days were absolutly devastating regarding HoN. I went down from 1700 to 1450 :(

I had so much bad luck. Lost 3 games because of early leavers and they did not want to remake. I lost about 8 Games in a row...in two games my opponents were just very good. But all the other losses...My favorites were a feeding armadon and a feeding Pharao. Pharao had 7 deaths until level 6 and armadon got 11 deaths until level 8 :(

Currently I am sick of pubs where I just seem to get the retards on my team. And I got 3 Disconnects because my router crashed and my PC died :(

What a week.

[Bunge]

I backdoor.

[Tempered]

if you play noob games expect noobs...

and if you play noob games you can expect what heros are chosen EVERY game: Arachna, Magmus and Nighthound (however scout isnt that ofthen picked)

I wish that were the case. Lately dark lady and wildsoul have been popular picks... They also like to disconnect after they die once.