Report-a-Player Q&A

[Nome]

Got questions? Ask them here. I will answer every single one :)
Please read the thread before you ask to make sure you do not ask something that's already been answered.
If you want to see the list of offenses, fire up the test client and hit the ! button.

[Ayevee]

Back dooring.

We wont get teh ban :blac: hammer if we do this right?

[mep]

How do you report players before this feature comes out? I have tried every method including the ones mods have told us and nothing has worked.

[miley__cyrus]

1- If the guy is feeding on purpose can we report?
2- if the guy hide behind the fountain for not dying can we report
3- if the guy troll .. like racist can we report?

[triixOr]

Is PSR-Pushing and a bit of Stat-Padding forbidden? If yes, can i report them?

[Thenre]

Ok.

What will be reportable?

Will the punishments per offense be clearly labled?

Who will be handling the reports?

How will you appeal a ban if you get banned?

Is there a limit to the number of times you can report in one day? (There should be)

Will senseless reporting get a ban? (it should)

What is your favorite color?

What is your favorite Taco Bell Combo meal?

If I report enough legitimate problems will you buy me Taco Bell?

[shakezilla]

Do you know anything about how long the temporary bans will last?

[Techies]

Can you report an entire team?

[Avamore]

Will kicking players that do not meet the requirements be reportable, and as such, the kicker get a warning, and the kickee (the receiver of the kick) have his kick/leave removed from his stats?

Also, will only the player who initiated the unwarranted kick receive a warning, or all players in the game?

[Fyren]

If 4/5 vote to concede but the fifth is still playing the game and trying to win, what would your considerations be? Is this always okay for the fifth? Or how bad does the game have to be going?

[Kudryavka]

Can you get banned for **** talking?

[Nome]

Back dooring.

We wont get teh ban :blac: hammer if we do this right?
BD is alright.


How do you report players before this feature comes out? I have tried every method including the ones mods have told us and nothing has worked.
Email me nome@s2games.com


1- If the guy is feeding on purpose can we report?
2- if the guy hide behind the fountain for not dying can we report
3- if the guy troll .. like racist can we report?
Yes to 1 and 3. 2 is situational.


Is PSR-Pushing and a bit of Stat-Padding forbidden? If yes, can i report them?
Yes.


Ok.

What will be reportable?

Will the punishments per offense be clearly labled?

Who will be handling the reports?

How will you appeal a ban if you get banned?

Is there a limit to the number of times you can report in one day? (There should be)

Will senseless reporting get a ban? (it should)

What is your favorite color?

What is your favorite Taco Bell Combo meal?

If I report enough legitimate problems will you buy me Taco Bell?
Almost all of these questions can be answered if you check out the RAP feature in the Test Client.


Do you know anything about how long the temporary bans will last?
1 day to a month.

[Rengan]

Taken from a thread I made about this very subject at http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=142615

...Where does S2 draw the line on griefing? On the one hand, there might be a chance of a comeback and victory in a given game, and one person refusing to concede could be what lets the game continue for long enough. On the other, what gives one person the right to dictate the next half hour of nine other people's time?

If everyone on the team wants to concede except yellow, is kicking him kick abuse? Will that get the rest of the team banned? What about the whole other team for voting yes? Is there a difference between "I think we can win" and "I want to waste your time"? What about when that one person thinks they can win, but the score is 3-30?

Where will you draw the lines, S2?

[True`Hero]

Ok.



If I report enough legitimate problems will you buy me Taco Bell?
****ing win.

Also question: Will not conceding be reportable, like obviously if the team still has a chance you would not report that but if they have two rax down and you dont even have 1 secondary tower down and they are just feeding off your team mate that wont concede and every once in a while fountian diving you and this ONE guy wont concede, is that reportable?

[shakezilla]

Can you give an example of when a person would get a 1 day ban and when a person would get a 1 month ban?

[rickster]

Why isn't there a disable help command to prevent ophelia/nymphora from teleporting you?
Why don't you campaign for liberal use of the /ignore /banlist and mute commands instead of wasting time on this report a player system?

[Nome]

Can you report an entire team?
Yes, if you want to spend the time to file multiple reports and have legitimate grievances against the entire team other than them being friends and following one person's poor decisions.


Will kicking players that do not meet the requirements be reportable, and as such, the kicker get a warning, and the kickee (the receiver of the kick) have his kick/leave removed from his stats?

Also, will only the player who initiated the unwarranted kick receive a warning, or all players in the game?
Can't answer this one completely yet--it's under discussion exactly what will happen if someone gets kicked, and whether he gets punished at all for being kicked.


If 4/5 vote to concede but the fifth is still playing the game and trying to win, what would your considerations be? Is this always okay for the fifth? Or how bad does the game have to be going?
It'll be up to GMs to decide if a person is playing to win or playing to grief. If it isn't obvious, then we'll likely rule in favor of innocence. That's the fairest way to go.


Can you get banned for **** talking?
Yes, if it's too much. How much is too much? If you have to ask yourself, you probably shouldn't be trying to walk the line ;)


Taken from a thread I made about this very subject at http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=142615

...Where does S2 draw the line on griefing? On the one hand, there might be a chance of a comeback and victory in a given game, and one person refusing to concede could be what lets the game continue for long enough. On the other, what gives one person the right to dictate the next half hour of nine other people's time?

If everyone on the team wants to concede except yellow, is kicking him kick abuse? Will that get the rest of the team banned? What about the whole other team for voting yes? Is there a difference between "I think we can win" and "I want to waste your time"? What about when that one person thinks they can win, but the score is 3-30?

Where will you draw the lines, S2?
As I said to the person above, this will all be extremely subjective. One solution is to simply make kicks not give leaves. That way, if you kick someone, you'd not affect his stats negatively. So that gets rid of 99% of pointless kicks. So if you kick someone, it'd purely be to get rid of a real griefer, and in that case, you can report him right afterwards.


****ing win.

Also question: Will not conceding be reportable, like obviously if the team still has a chance you would not report that but if they have two rax down and you dont even have 1 secondary tower down and they are just feeding off your team mate that wont concede and every once in a while fountian diving you and this ONE guy wont concede, is that reportable?
Depends if he's griefing or not. Again, highly subjective.

[kold]

how will you handle racism, verbal assaults, and anything else that is relayed of voice chat within HoN?

[Rengan]

I really appreciate you doing this Nome, but I have one more question related to the concede subject:

Does "We can win, I won't concede" ever become griefing? To put it another way, how badly does one team have to be losing for that claim to just become ridiculous, if ever? And what will be done to keep legitimate griefers from just using this and "Im bad lol" to hide their feeding?

Edit: I hadn't thought about it, but having kicks not give leaves is a great idea. If a person doesn't want to concede and he gets kicked, all he loses is having to stay in that game for longer rather than negative stats, and the rest of the team can concede as intended.

[FujiWuji]

I just posted this in another thread but I figure I would ask here...

This happened last night. We had a player on our team who intentionally picked a hero we did not need, died constantly and would not pass a concede vote for the whole game. I looked into it after and sure enough a guy he plays close to 75% of his games with was on the other team... He wasn't blatant about it (like running into a hero and standing there while he dies), but really things like that make you want to stop playing. Frankly is there any way to stop this from happening? Or 4 people just at the mercy of one planted player for however long?

[TheSubhuman]

Is there a penalty for making an unjust/false report?
I think there should be so as to not waste the reviewers time and simultaneously post-poning further reviews.

[Veldt]

Are you going to be looking at people who deliberately incite rage or just the people who rage? the ones who go out of their way to start up a flame fest are just as guilty as the ones who explode.

When you review replays, are you going to do it Dota league-style and just read a transcript of the chat that took place in the game and subsequently ripping the text out of its in-game context to interpret as the reviewers please?

[Dutch]

My understanding of the RaP feature is that you can report whatever you want, and S2 will review it and act accordingly. If you want to report ticky tacky BS, you're more than welcome to...it's just probably going to wind up being a waste of time. Just use common sense.

[Xastin]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kudryavka http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?p=1905087#post1905087)
Can you get banned for **** talking?

Yes, if it's too much. How much is too much? If you have to ask yourself, you probably shouldn't be trying to walk the line ;)Ok so lets see little more detail about this. so are you telling me if i Call someone a retard cause they have no idea how land a pyro stun that is bannable offense? or are you talking about if someone is Racist and just making remarks directly at the player.

also does that mean you guys have a way to track voip now?

[Tuche]

Is there a way to report "bad servers" (lag issues with a certain server) via this tool ?

[Porom]

Why did you guys choose to implement this agains't trash talking and/or racism? Freedom of speech is in the Bill of Rights afterall.

I have to agree with the guy above me somewhere about this not being World of Warcraft, I quit that game and went to DotA for many reasons, the community of carebears was one of them.

[Deathstalker]

If someone gets temp banned for doing something that the "GM" aprooved to be against the rules, but it was a misunderstanding, can the banned player appeal the ban?


/offtopic

Couldnt you add a "aprooved reports" percentages to the players stats, this way we could see if the player have a bad history from his formor games?

[Connatic]

Is general abusiveness a reportable offense? Like if you are new to the game or just aren't very good and a player on your team rages on his mic after just about every move you try to make?

Maybe a better way to put it...is excessive poor sportsmanship reportable? The kind WITHOUT swearing and racism...

[Nigma]

Will I get banned for dying in game?
Will I get banned for picking scout?
Will I get banned for not buying wards?
When I get banned, will the sky fall?
Will my firstborn son by taken away from me, should I be banned?
If I get banned, will all my of family members also be banned somehow?
Are these stupid questions?
Will my dog be banned if I am banned?
What would you do for a Klondike bar?
Will the be a totalitarian GM system like in WW2 Germany?
Will I be physically hurt when banned?
Will I be able to appeal my ban using a Klondike bar?
How many Bans does it take to screw in a lightbulb?
Can I report somebody because they sound dumb in game?

[Trollz]

Will I get banned for Blue Waffle pics?

[K1i]

I can absolutely see myself filing a credit card chargeback (and going straight to LoL) should this feature get out of hand. If I get banned for expressing things like the pick of Scout, refusal to concede (out of my own knowledge of winning possibility), simple offensive trash talk, and groups of friends getting together and reporting.

This is really an edgy system, and if it is not implemented properly, I can see hell occurring for S2.

Typically how all of these report systems work is the same: lazy GMs or automated software sees 5 reports (or whatever threshold), set amount of time for a temporary suspension for whatever category the preponderance of reports came from.

I can certainly say that myself and many other friends of mine will be exercising the dispute feature should this **** get out of hand.

[Landrick]

thanks for this

[Nome]

how will you handle racism, verbal assaults, and anything else that is relayed of voice chat within HoN?
Voice Chat is not recorded, so unfortunately we cannot do anything about that. Those players can just be muted.


I really appreciate you doing this Nome, but I have one more question related to the concede subject:

Does "We can win, I won't concede" ever become griefing? To put it another way, how badly does one team have to be losing for that claim to just become ridiculous, if ever? And what will be done to keep legitimate griefers from just using this and "Im bad lol" to hide their feeding?

Edit: I hadn't thought about it, but having kicks not give leaves is a great idea. If a person doesn't want to concede and he gets kicked, all he loses is having to stay in that game for longer rather than negative stats, and the rest of the team can concede as intended.
This is EXTREMELY subjective. Ultimately, it will come down to, if we see a player getting into these kinds of situations often, we may give him a warning or at least start some dialogue.


I just posted this in another thread but I figure I would ask here...

This happened last night. We had a player on our team who intentionally picked a hero we did not need, died constantly and would not pass a concede vote for the whole game. I looked into it after and sure enough a guy he plays close to 75% of his games with was on the other team... He wasn't blatant about it (like running into a hero and standing there while he dies), but really things like that make you want to stop playing. Frankly is there any way to stop this from happening? Or 4 people just at the mercy of one planted player for however long?
There's no way to STOP it from happening. But this behavior IS reportable. The expectation is that once people understand S2 is taking action, it will die down.


Is there a penalty for making an unjust/false report?
I think there should be so as to not waste the reviewers time and simultaneously post-poning further reviews.
Yes.


Are you going to be looking at people who deliberately incite rage or just the people who rage? the ones who go out of their way to start up a flame fest are just as guilty as the ones who explode.

When you review replays, are you going to do it Dota league-style and just read a transcript of the chat that took place in the game and subsequently ripping the text out of its in-game context to interpret as the reviewers please?
All replays will be reviewed in the context of the game. Careful consideration will be given for all players involved.


Ok so lets see little more detail about this. so are you telling me if i Call someone a retard cause they have no idea how land a pyro stun that is bannable offense? or are you talking about if someone is Racist and just making remarks directly at the player.

also does that mean you guys have a way to track voip now?
While there will be a line that's drawn, it won't be publicly available for everyone to see. This means that the best way to avoid being disciplined for this is to not do it :)


Is there a way to report "bad servers" (lag issues with a certain server) via this tool ?
No.


Why did you guys choose to implement this agains't trash talking and/or racism? Freedom of speech is in the Bill of Rights afterall.

I have to agree with the guy above me somewhere about this not being World of Warcraft, I quit that game and went to DotA for many reasons, the community of carebears was one of them.
America?
THIS
IS
NEWERTH


If someone gets temp banned for doing something that the "GM" aprooved to be against the rules, but it was a misunderstanding, can the banned player appeal the ban?


/offtopic

Couldnt you add a "aprooved reports" percentages to the players stats, this way we could see if the player have a bad history from his formor games?
Yes, he can always email support. No to the second part.


Is general abusiveness a reportable offense? Like if you are new to the game or just aren't very good and a player on your team rages on his mic after just about every move you try to make?

Maybe a better way to put it...is excessive poor sportsmanship reportable? The kind WITHOUT swearing and racism...
No. Frustration is not abusive.

[Ingredients]

What are the actual punishments for a successful report against you? Is it just going to be a slap on wrist or will you be suspending accounts?

[Izzo]

This is pretty common situation; someone wants to concede, the vote fails, that guy says "ok im afk". Can I report this guy? And how many months of ban does he get?

[Rengan]

Voice Chat is not recorded, so unfortunately we cannot do anything about that. Those players can just be muted.


I forsee very clean teamchats and very little evidence of banworthy dialogue. People will just rage over voip instead. Saying those players can just be muted is like saying you can put an index card over the chat box, albeit more convenient.

[Bainshie]

What about trying to kick someone 'new' at the game?

Or refusing to remake after someone DC?

[DEALWITHlT]

is swearing reportable? i realize that goes along with "sh*t talking", but i'm wondering if dropping an F bomb will get me banned.

also, how do i acquire your wisdom?

[Kapura]

How many GMs are going to be on-staff? Will a GM be able to hand out bans real-time in game if he sees dickery going on? Will a GM have a different appearance in game, a la the red names for S2 staffers?

[Gorpik]

are u gonna use banhammer on someone who rages like: "what the f are u shetheads doin blabla"?

[Vulgarinsult]

Other side of the won't concede argument: If people want to concede in a win-able game and decide to sit at the fountain because you won't pass, is that considered griefing?

For example, I usually tell my team in plain English, guys have one more good team fight and if we lose it I'll pass. Sometimes it works out, we genocide, push, and make a game out of it. Other times people are like "Nope, saving my KDR, sitting at fountain."

Is using an item like tablet of command to push a teamate into enemies to grief them reportable?

Are reportable occurrences from the past reportable now that the function is going in?

[artK]

Sorry, I'll be asking many questions, but I hope you can answer all of them since I feel every single one is important and I haven't found an answer for them yet. :P

(1) Does the reported player receive a warning about being under investigation?
If so, (2) can the said player appeal before being investigated?

Also, (3) can we report a player for false accusations? Like, the guy just accuses me of, say, intentional feeding, and before he does report me, can I do something against him? Of course, I could be also punished if I made a false report (and, on this case, was intentionally feeding). I think this is good for going against people who would just try to intimidate you with accusations. :P

(4) are we going to be able to see in the stats page if a player is / has been banned? I think this is pretty obvious, but gotta ask. :P
Oh, and (5) if so, can we see the reason behind his ban? Are these kind of things going to be released to the public?

Last but not least, (6) if a player keeps doing bad things after being banned, is there going to be a worse punishiment for not learning his lesson? And also, (7) is there a capital punishment? Like perma-ban after doing X bad things? I don't think this applies for one specific ban reason, but for, as I said above, not learning one's leasson.

Again, sorry for this many questions and for them being kindda long. :P

[alexandre]

i have a question.. who was phone?

[Xastin]

Voice Chat is not recorded, so unfortunately we cannot do anything about that. Those players can just be muted.

why isnt same measures being taken with chat? we have /ignore as far as i can see the tools to avoid hearing from players is already available why such harsh punishment for silly words.

[DontRageQuit]

Is S2 really dedicated to this? Are they willing to spend the manpower/time devoting their resources toward this? I know this feature will be abused and you guys will get a lot of more junk reports than not.

How will you combat this? I cannot logically see S2 having a dedicated dude sitting and watching replays all game. Ya know?

[Maliwan]

My only question: Is S2 willing to look at every report "abuse" claim or will there be a filtering system to block out possible fakes? This is a big step, and without a doubt, there will be players trying to abuse this system.



Is using an item like tablet of command to push a teamate into enemies to grief them reportable?


Some people may do this to push people into initializing or other specific reasons that could be deemed as "trying to help the team", but unless you see the player say stuff like "******* you deserve it" or "you suck" or any hate remark, then you have evidence to suggest that the player was trying to get you killed for his enjoyment; griefing. I suggest people should bait players and ask "why would you do that" in order to [maybe] reveal his true intensions.

[Comfortabull]

Can I report kongor for stealing thunderbringer's bananas.

Meanie.

[Pichu]

Question: Suppose we get a really angry bad player, he starts blaming everyone, etc, and resorts to feeding, afking, or generally griefing. Suppose also that someone on the other team won't kick him, so we're stuck with him. Is it reportable for the team to grief him back? Nothing too evil, just stuff like tabletting out of TP into towers and stuff. =) It really takes the edge off.

[Nome]

What are the actual punishments for a successful report against you? Is it just going to be a slap on wrist or will you be suspending accounts?
Anywhere from a warning to a ban depending on severity and number of incidents.


I forsee very clean teamchats and very little evidence of banworthy dialogue. People will just rage over voip instead. Saying those players can just be muted is like saying you can put an index card over the chat box, albeit more convenient.
Unless you want replays to double/triple in size with VoIP recordings, then no.


What about trying to kick someone 'new' at the game?

Or refusing to remake after someone DC?
The second is not bannable. The first is, if successful. It's up to the players to quit a game they are not comfortable starting, not S2's job to handle it after it's begun.


is swearing reportable? i realize that goes along with "sh*t talking", but i'm wondering if dropping an F bomb will get me banned.

also, how do i acquire your wisdom?
No, unless it's excessive.


How many GMs are going to be on-staff? Will a GM be able to hand out bans real-time in game if he sees dickery going on? Will a GM have a different appearance in game, a la the red names for S2 staffers?
There are no in-game perks. That would only lead to abuse. There will be about 30 GMs to start with, with more added if necessary.


are u gonna use banhammer on someone who rages like: "what the f are u shetheads doin blabla"?
Need more details.


Other side of the won't concede argument: If people want to concede in a win-able game and decide to sit at the fountain because you won't pass, is that considered griefing?

For example, I usually tell my team in plain English, guys have one more good team fight and if we lose it I'll pass. Sometimes it works out, we genocide, push, and make a game out of it. Other times people are like "Nope, saving my KDR, sitting at fountain."

Is using an item like tablet of command to push a teamate into enemies to grief them reportable?

Are reportable occurrences from the past reportable now that the function is going in?
1. Case by case basis.
2. Yes.
3. Yes.


Sorry, I'll be asking many questions, but I hope you can answer all of them since I feel every single one is important and I haven't found an answer for them yet. :P

(1) Does the reported player receive a warning about being under investigation?
If so, (2) can the said player appeal before being investigated?

Also, (3) can we report a player for false accusations? Like, the guy just accuses me of, say, intentional feeding, and before he does report me, can I do something against him? Of course, I could be also punished if I made a false report (and, on this case, was intentionally feeding). I think this is good for going against people who would just try to intimidate you with accusations. :P

(4) are we going to be able to see in the stats page if a player is / has been banned? I think this is pretty obvious, but gotta ask. :P
Oh, and (5) if so, can we see the reason behind his ban? Are these kind of things going to be released to the public?

Last but not least, (6) if a player keeps doing bad things after being banned, is there going to be a worse punishiment for not learning his lesson? And also, (7) is there a capital punishment? Like perma-ban after doing X bad things? I don't think this applies for one specific ban reason, but for, as I said above, not learning one's leasson.

Again, sorry for this many questions and for them being kindda long. :P
1. No.
2. No.
3. No.
4. No.
5. No.
6. Yes.
7. Yes.


Is S2 really dedicated to this? Are they willing to spend the manpower/time devoting their resources toward this? I know this feature will be abused and you guys will get a lot of more junk reports than not.

How will you combat this? I cannot logically see S2 having a dedicated dude sitting and watching replays all game. Ya know?
I am leading this system. It'll be on my head :)


why isnt same measures being taken with chat? we have /ignore as far as i can see the tools to avoid hearing from players is already available why such harsh punishment for silly words.
Because we can police chat, not VoIP.


My only question: Is S2 willing to look at every report "abuse" claim or will there be a filtering system to block out possible fakes? This is a big step, and without a doubt, there will be players trying to abuse this system.



Some people may do this to push people into initializing or other specific reasons that could be deemed as "trying to help the team", but unless you see the player say stuff like "******* you deserve it" or "you suck" or any hate remark, then you have evidence to suggest that the player was trying to get you killed for his enjoyment; griefing. I suggest people should bait players and ask "why would you do that" in order to [maybe] reveal his true intensions.
All claims will be investigated. Baiting is probably not a good idea though.


Question: Suppose we get a really angry bad player, he starts blaming everyone, etc, and resorts to feeding, afking, or generally griefing. Suppose also that someone on the other team won't kick him, so we're stuck with him. Is it reportable for the team to grief him back? Nothing too evil, just stuff like tabletting out of TP into towers and stuff. =) It really takes the edge off.
No.

[DuckSoup]

This is a big question for me.

If you start a game and someone DC's very early on (At the point where a remake is possible) and you vote to remake, but someone (Though you never know who) votes it down, is that reportable?

Unless they have a reason like "I know the guy he is coming back" If someone votes it down, can you tell who it was and can they be banned? I mean, who would you report in that case because you never know who does it.

[garrthos]

How do trans-country confrontations work?

Allowing people who obviously speak different languages to play in a team oriented game is problematic. Unless they have some sort of dead giveaway in a clan tag or a 90% :scou: pick, I can't tell the difference between Canadians and Brazilians.

In my experience, especially at certain times in the day, Brazilian players are EVERYWHERE, and almost always are a detriment to the game due to the complete lack of communication. To be clear: I'm not knocking Brazilians. They don't speak my language, and I don't expect them to.

HoN is BUILT around teamwork. Why are people who can't communicate in the same way allowed to play anonymously with each other?

Isn't that just asking for problems?

Wouldn't it be easier to just have the language flag icon displayed in your profile or near your name?

I guess my real question is: Am I going to / is it fair to get banned for raging my face off at someone who slips into a game that nobody on the team can communicate with?

[Shlimby]

If somebody is feeding and you know it is intentional, vote yes to kick them (it fails) but you still take the feed, will you be punished also? Same goes for if somebody leads you to their team because they are griefing. As long as you are TRYING to kick them is it fine to still take it? I'm very curious about these kinds of situations.

[Nome]

This is a big question for me.

If you start a game and someone DC's very early on (At the point where a remake is possible) and you vote to remake, but someone (Though you never know who) votes it down, is that reportable?

Unless they have a reason like "I know the guy he is coming back" If someone votes it down, can you tell who it was and can they be banned? I mean, who would you report in that case because you never know who does it.
No, it's not reportable. A better solution would be to make it easier to remake if someone disconnects, or to reduce the loss penalty.


How do trans-country confrontations work?

Allowing people who obviously speak different languages to play in a team oriented game is problematic. Unless they have some sort of dead giveaway in a clan tag or a 90% :scou: pick, I can't tell the difference between Canadians and Brazilians.

In my experience, especially at certain times in the day, Brazilian players are EVERYWHERE, and almost always are a detriment to the game due to the complete lack of communication. To be clear: I'm not knocking Brazilians. They don't speak my language, and I don't expect them to.

HoN is BUILT around teamwork. Why are people who can't communicate in the same way allowed to play anonymously with each other?

Isn't that just asking for problems?

Wouldn't it be easier to just have the language flag icon displayed in your profile or near your name?

I guess my real question is: Am I going to / is it fair to get banned for raging my face off at someone who slips into a game that nobody on the team can communicate with?
If they can't understand you, why would you get reported? :)


If somebody is feeding and you know it is intentional, vote yes to kick them (it fails) but you still take the feed, will you be punished also? Same goes for if somebody leads you to their team because they are griefing. As long as you are TRYING to kick them is it fine to still take it? I'm very curious about these kinds of situations.
Already answered.

[Vulgarinsult]

Since this system is affecting things retrospectively, would you consider at the very minimum letting past language based infractions slide? I've cussed/said inappropriate things in games but plan to discontinue such behavior if it's serious enough to warrant punishment.

[McKnight]

What will happen to GM's that abuses this system (Uses it to ban teammates he played with who he recently lost with. / Banning the team he lost against.)

Im just curious.

[garrthos]

If they can't understand you, why would you get reported? :)


I like the way you do. Strong answer.

[evotech]

Do you really have time/manpower to handle the thousands of reports?

Is this going to be like moderators just randomly picked out? charity work or are these people getting paid?

[Bjornkloo]

Lets say my teammate starts flaming me and i flame back! Can my teammate then succesfully report me?

[Fillestine]

1) Remake required, one guy opts not to pass (for whatever reason). He gets kicked, game is ultimately remade.

Reportable?

2) Exactly how much can people be ridiculed before getting successfully reported for it?

[SolarFlare22]

1) Remake required, one guy opts not to pass (for whatever reason). He gets kicked, game is ultimately remade.

Reportable?

2) Exactly how much can people be ridiculed before getting successfully reported for it?

Already answered... It's not a bannable offense to not remake a game. It IS however a bannable offense to kick the guy for not remaking.

Also, a remake is never really REQUIRED.

[Nome]

Since this system is affecting things retrospectively, would you consider at the very minimum letting past language based infractions slide? I've cussed/said inappropriate things in games but plan to discontinue such behavior if it's serious enough to warrant punishment.
Yes.


What will happen to GM's that abuses this system (Uses it to ban teammates he played with who he recently lost with. / Banning the team he lost against.)

Im just curious.
Any GM that abuses the system will be thoroughly investigated and if guilty, will have all his in-game assets removed.


Do you really have time/manpower to handle the thousands of reports?

Is this going to be like moderators just randomly picked out? charity work or are these people getting paid?
Let's hope so :)


Lets say my teammate starts flaming me and i flame back! Can my teammate then succesfully report me?
If you flame back, then both of you will be dealt with if it negatively affects teammates.

[Bjornkloo]

Will you ever delete a guys account due to reports??

[Scopey]

Will the GMs be multi-lingual? That is, if a GM is required to chat to someone under investigation, will you have a GM that is able to talk to them in their native tongue?

This isn't applicable to me, just wondering.

[documents]

This system sounds much too subjective. I have a feeling this will do more harm than good.

http://farafaizul.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/care_bear.jpg

[ColeNOXyd2nd]

Why did you guys choose to implement this agains't trash talking and/or racism? Freedom of speech is in the Bill of Rights afterall.

I have to agree with the guy above me somewhere about this not being World of Warcraft, I quit that game and went to DotA for many reasons, the community of carebears was one of them.
You may want to know that Freedom of Speech isnt the most important right in every country... for example in germany it is "Die w?rde des Menschen ist unantastbar"... cant translate it right now

[Nome]

Will you ever delete a guys account due to reports??
Being a repeat offender WILL get your account banned permanently.


Will the GMs be multi-lingual? That is, if a GM is required to chat to someone under investigation, will you have a GM that is able to talk to them in their native tongue?

This isn't applicable to me, just wondering.
We are recruiting GMs from many different backgrounds. Hopefully we will be able to accommodate all players.


This system sounds much too subjective. I have a feeling this will do more harm than good.

http://farafaizul.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/care_bear.jpg
The only possible way it can cause harm is to people who intentionally attempt to walk to line. If it does harm to them, then my answer to that is "too bad, you shouldn't have been doing it in the first place."

[Calad]

This system sounds much too subjective. I have a feeling this will do more harm than good.

This. Seemed like a great idea at first but the subjectivity of the matter makes it kind of pointless. I see it mostly more as a scare tactic to get people to be less douchey

[DdsT]

Are you guys planning a strict set of rules, listing all the possible misbehaviors and their respective penalties?
Ex:
Racism - simple warning to 2 days ban

If the GMs have different ways of perceiving a fault, there will be complains like "why my friends only got a simple warning whereas I got a 1 week ban for the same thing?".

[Pwel]

if someone says something like: "I got a GM account, I'll ban you if you keep getting all the tablets/runes" or if you keep KSing me or whatever...

Can I report him for uber liez?

[Chindril]

My team votes 4/5 for concede. I vote No and continue playing normally.
I get kicked for that.
Is it abuse of the kick vote and reportable ? (Like the remake / kick situation mentioned earlier).

Thanks

[Vulgarinsult]

How about notification that you've been reported? Even if anonymously or something. I think it would be nice to know I've been reported even if I don't get punished, helps set precedent of what is and what isn't generally acceptable.

[Benjy]

Well now I'm just getting scared. You say in-game "That was shitty teamfight" and some random GM who was mass selected decides if you're trash talking or not?

I really hope you'll be giving most guys the benefit of the doubt, because I know people who can just get really ragey in one game but be fine in all others, and suddenly they're getting banned?

[Mobious]

Will you be able to see the mods a player is using in a replay?

[McKnight]

if someone says something like: "I got a GM account, I'll ban you if you keep getting all the tablets/runes" or if you keep KSing me or whatever...

Can I report him for uber liez?

Indeed. GM's should have a color ingame on their nick. Like the S2Devs have.

[Akavir]

Can buying a doombringer and losing the game for your team be reportable?

Actually i'd rather see S2 removing the item altogether, it's useless for serious games and it's only bought when you're stomping the other team... why have it in the first place, but w/e that's off-topic.

Under what circumstances will buying a doombringer and dropping it be considered griefing?

Because you could have the obvious "lol i give it to the enemy so you guys lose". Then you have the "lol i'm just messing around- oh damn i lost it, too bad". Then you'd have the actual noob "I thought the damage it gave me would help us win, sorry guys".

[PGV]

If you do get banned for stat padding, will your stats be reset? What will happen exactly?

[Zaraki]

1) How will you know that you have been banned? Forum pm's seem ineffective since not everyone uses the forums. If you do message the person, 2) will it be in multiple languages to ensure he knows what's up? (after all, not all offenses require speaking/typing, so the person might not speak english)

3) For offenses that are okay until you cross a certain line (cussing sometimes seems okay, but if it gets "excessive" then it is warn/ban worthy), will there be some kind of guideline so people are aware of what they can and cannot do? I assume the GM's have a guideline so why wouldn't that be made available to all players?

4) Going along with the guidelines point, arbitrariness is one of the biggest problems I foresee in this; that is, two players doing the same wrong act are punished in different, although possible close in scope, ways. Are there guidelines for GM's so they know what punishment to hand out depending on the offense? And further, 5) are there also guidelines on punishments for multiple offenses both if they are the same multiple offenses and different offenses?

6) What is your reason for not letting someone know that they have been reported and the reason they were reported? I would think a brief message saying, you have been reported for such and such will at least let that player know that some people find what he did offensive, even if it didn't end in a ban or warning.

7) How do you choose your GM's? Is there an application process or do you approach potential candidates and ask them whether they want to be GM's? 8) If you approach them, what are you looking for in a GM? 9) Will the list of GM's be public?

Thanks for your replies.

For those worried about VOIP. Mute them and tell them they are muted. IF they are still angry, chances are they will start typing instead and if they do, you have your proof. Not my idea, credits go to whoever told me to do this, just don't remember who it was :(

[bartmasta]

This is EXTREMELY subjective. Ultimately, it will come down to, if we see a player getting into these kinds of situations often, we may give him a warning or at least start some dialogue.


Are you seriously telling me that you're gonna ban people for trying to win? Are you guys retarded? I often never concede because I don't like giving up since there's always a chance you can win and you're saying I'm gonna get banned for that? I didn't pay $30 for this game so I can get reported by some scrubs because they can't play for ****.

:devo:

[Nome]

Are you guys planning a strict set of rules, listing all the possible misbehaviors and their respective penalties?
Ex:
Racism - simple warning to 2 days ban

If the GMs have different ways of perceiving a fault, there will be complains like "why my friends only got a simple warning whereas I got a 1 week ban for the same thing?".
There is a comprehensive sentencing guide that will be made available to GMs.


if someone says something like: "I got a GM account, I'll ban you if you keep getting all the tablets/runes" or if you keep KSing me or whatever...

Can I report him for uber liez?
Yes.


My team votes 4/5 for concede. I vote No and continue playing normally.
I get kicked for that.
Is it abuse of the kick vote and reportable ? (Like the remake / kick situation mentioned earlier).

Thanks
Yes.


How about notification that you've been reported? Even if anonymously or something. I think it would be nice to know I've been reported even if I don't get punished, helps set precedent of what is and what isn't generally acceptable.
Nope. You won't be notified unless punitive action is taken.


Well now I'm just getting scared. You say in-game "That was shitty teamfight" and some random GM who was mass selected decides if you're trash talking or not?

I really hope you'll be giving most guys the benefit of the doubt, because I know people who can just get really ragey in one game but be fine in all others, and suddenly they're getting banned?
First of all, there's not any rule that says you can't say that. Second, if a GM does that, he will be removed and punished.


Will you be able to see the mods a player is using in a replay?
No.


Can buying a doombringer and losing the game for your team be reportable?

Actually i'd rather see S2 removing the item altogether, it's useless for serious games and it's only bought when you're stomping the other team... why have it in the first place, but w/e that's off-topic.

Under what circumstances will buying a doombringer and dropping it be considered griefing?

Because you could have the obvious "lol i give it to the enemy so you guys lose". Then you have the "lol i'm just messing around- oh damn i lost it, too bad". Then you'd have the actual noob "I thought the damage it gave me would help us win, sorry guys".
This will depend on intent. I'm not going to tell you exactly how we discern, because that will simply result in people intentionally walking the line to grief people.


If you do get banned for stat padding, will your stats be reset? What will happen exactly?
Not saying exactly how we deal with this, but it will be dealt with.


1) How will you know that you have been banned? Forum pm's seem ineffective since not everyone uses the forums. If you do message the person, 2) will it be in multiple languages to ensure he knows what's up? (after all, not all offenses require speaking/typing, so the person might not speak english)

3) For offenses that are okay until you cross a certain line (cussing sometimes seems okay, but if it gets "excessive" then it is warn/ban worthy), will there be some kind of guideline so people are aware of what they can and cannot do? I assume the GM's have a guideline so why wouldn't that be made available to all players?

4) Going along with the guidelines point, arbitrariness is one of the biggest problems I foresee in this; that is, two players doing the same wrong act are punished in different, although possible close in scope, ways. Are there guidelines for GM's so they know what punishment to hand out depending on the offense? And further, 5) are there also guidelines on punishments for multiple offenses both if they are the same multiple offenses and different offenses?

6) What is your reason for not letting someone know that they have been reported and the reason they were reported? I would think a brief message saying, you have been reported for such and such will at least let that player know that some people find what he did offensive, even if it didn't end in a ban or warning.

7) How do you choose your GM's? Is there an application process or do you approach potential candidates and ask them whether they want to be GM's? 8) If you approach them, what are you looking for in a GM? 9) Will the list of GM's be public?

Thanks for your replies.

For those worried about VOIP. Mute them and tell them they are muted. IF they are still angry, chances are they will start typing instead and if they do, you have your proof. Not my idea, credits go to whoever told me to do this, just don't remember who it was :(
1. You won't be able to login, and you'll get an email.
2. Online translators exist. Messages will be in English.
3. No public guideline. If you're afraid of getting banned, the easiest way to avoid it is to not do it.
4. Yes.
5. Yes.
6. All players are expected to abide by basic rules. Again, if you're walking the line, don't. There's no positive reason to whatsoever.
7. Apps.
8. Not saying.
9. Undecided on this.


Are you seriously telling me that you're gonna ban people for trying to win? Are you guys retarded? I often never concede because I don't like giving up since there's always a chance you can win and you're saying I'm gonna get banned for that? I didn't pay $30 for this game so I can get reported by some scrubs because they can't play for ****.

:devo:
Are you griefing? No? Then don't worry about it.

[bartmasta]

how will you be able to tell the difference between feeders and bad players (my friend does 0-15 in nearly every game)

[Feanux]

When will GM's be appointed? (Assuming they haven't been so already)

[Manyx]

Hi, i got some questions that i hope you can answer.

1) I got more than one account but only one main account. I usually play on secondary accounts and after i get on any of them more PSR than on my main account i play 1v1 games until i get the PSR to my main account. This doesn't harm no one, and i think it's ok, as I did pay a lot of money for the accounts, but to be sure I need to know your opinion.

2) If a player disconnects and the mod is no respawn timer, is there a problem if i go at the fountain and kill him multiple times, as the game mechanics permits this.

3) I know from the time i played on Garena that GM often abuse their power , for example they ban you if you kill steal or something, what are you going to do about it if this problems occurs? I think you should be able to be a GM for a short period of time , like 3 months or so.

Thanks.

[Coolasfuck69]

Why is this even being implemented in the game? This isn't world of warcraft bro.

deleted for truth.

[Nome]

how will you be able to tell the difference between feeders and bad players (my friend does 0-15 in nearly every game)
Not going to say publicly how we check.


When will GM's be appointed? (Assuming they haven't been so already)
They have all been appointed.


Hi, i got some questions that i hope you can answer.

1) I got more than one account but only one main account. I usually play on secondary accounts and after i get on any of them more PSR than on my main account i play 1v1 games until i get the PSR to my main account. This doesn't harm no one, and i think it's ok, as I did pay a lot of money for the accounts, but to be sure I need to know your opinion.

2) If a player disconnects and the mod is no respawn timer, is there a problem if i go at the fountain and kill him multiple times, as the game mechanics permits this.

3) I know from the time i played on Garena that GM often abuse their power , for example they ban you if you kill steal or something, what are you going to do about it if this problems occurs? I think you should be able to be a GM for a short period of time , like 3 months or so.

Thanks.
1. If you are playing against yourself, that is not allowed.
2. That's fine.
3. Again, GM abuse will be dealt with.


Why is this even being implemented in the game? This isn't world of warcraft bro.

deleted for truth.
Yeah, it's Heroes of Newerth. So, get used to it :p

[Trafalmadore]

Hello, i have a problem here, I joined a game and there was a player named "ZoOiiL" and after a few seconds i received a purple message which was saying that my account will be banned because i used a bad comment to ZoOiiL and in front of the message appeared EMOTE...[EMOTE] (like this)....This is a big lie I am 100% sure i didn't used bad comments and the thing is i checked my last 20 replays and i haven't even played with him:(...i asked him when did i use a bad comment to him and he said "last game" and after i asked him to tell me what hero was i in the "last game" and he said Predator but i was Pebbles! HE IS A LIAR!:confused: CAN SOMEONE HELP ME,PLEASE?

[Noob]

what happens if my team doesnt want to concede and i sit in the forest, will i get banned, am i forced to play against a fed team and die?

[Kaesetorte]

Nome can you explain your sig to me?
I think a picture of beating up a black guy is banworthy.

Also is jerking around with retards forbidden?
Like if you gank someone in the forest and they rage and you convince them you were using maphacks, cause it's cute to see them rage?

[Kaesetorte]

Hello, i have a problem here, I joined a game and there was a player named "ZoOiiL" and after a few seconds i received a purple message which was saying that my account will be banned because i used a bad comment to ZoOiiL and in front of the message appeared EMOTE...[EMOTE] (like this)....This is a big lie I am 100% sure i didn't used bad comments and the thing is i checked my last 20 replays and i haven't even played with him:(...i asked him when did i use a bad comment to him and he said "last game" and after i asked him to tell me what hero was i in the "last game" and he said Predator but i was Pebbles! HE IS A LIAR!:confused: CAN SOMEONE HELP ME,PLEASE?

Troll? :D
If not : using /emote will allow you to write emotions without the dots and the (heroname)

eg:

[Emote] Kaesetorte is amused!

[MuffinFTW]

Could you get banned for let's say:
Mesmerizing your teammates with Succubus over and over. Also, tossing a teammate to their death with Pebbles. Even using Ophelia and tping your team back to base continously? :]

[Germs]

I know you already responded to this already by saying you won't tell us. What scares me is sometimes i do feed really bad..like go 0-10....I never play to intentionally feed....So when I do go 0-10 is become of bad moves I've made. But i don't want to be mistaken for someone who is feeding on purpose when i'm just having a bad day.

I just think you need to give us a TINY bit more information on how you are checking for people who intentionally feed vs noobs or people just having a bad game.

[Wakawl]

Also, if a player is laggy and gets repeatedly ganked because of the lag, can he be reported for feeding and will his lag issues be taken into consideration? Do you even have a way of checking if a player is laggy?

Can you be reported because you purposely fed during a no-stats game?

[Fyren]

Related to a previous question, is using a tablet of command to push a teammate into the enemy fountain right as the game is about to end reportable? That is, the situation is undeniably that your team is going to win within the next several seconds.

[Pastel]

Got questions? Ask them here. I will answer every single one :)
Please read the thread before you ask to make sure you do not ask something that's already been answered.
If you want to see the list of offenses, fire up the test client and hit the ! button.


Props to Nome for answering all these questions although they have been repeated multiple times throughout these 5 pages.

If anything, I think this shows that Nome, and the S2 Staff are dedicated to make this report system work.

[Techno_Mage]

if you make it so kicks don't give you leaves, i am assuming it will still give the win/loss for that game and k/d that happened inside it, would i be correct on assuming this(stops people abusing it to get away from losses scott free)

[SpeedyMcFast]

Let's say a player gets reported for flaming a few times in the span of a year, will these reports keep stacking until he gets permabanned?
Or will you disregard the old reports and only permaban if a user keeps breaking the rules in a shorter time span?
I hope it's the latter.

[miley__cyrus]

Question here.. what happens if u do like a score of 0-15... u trying to play but ur not lucky at all what happens if ur teammates say stop feeding n00b ill report. you are u going to ban me if being 0-15 becausr they report me?

[Trafalmadore]

Thank you Kaesetorte (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/member.php?u=161131), i didn't know that, Thanks a lot ! :)

[CKMo]

how were GMs picked/appointed?
Is there any way for a normal player to become a GM?

[SlowKing]

Griefing in nostats (nymph with staff+tablet) yes, no?

[Nome]

Hello, i have a problem here, I joined a game and there was a player named "ZoOiiL" and after a few seconds i received a purple message which was saying that my account will be banned because i used a bad comment to ZoOiiL and in front of the message appeared EMOTE...[EMOTE] (like this)....This is a big lie I am 100% sure i didn't used bad comments and the thing is i checked my last 20 replays and i haven't even played with him:(...i asked him when did i use a bad comment to him and he said "last game" and after i asked him to tell me what hero was i in the "last game" and he said Predator but i was Pebbles! HE IS A LIAR!:confused: CAN SOMEONE HELP ME,PLEASE?
That's someone trying to trick you.


what happens if my team doesnt want to concede and i sit in the forest, will i get banned, am i forced to play against a fed team and die?
I'd have to see the entire game to judge on that. Ultimately, it comes down to intention. If you are trying to upset your team, that's very different than if you primary intention is to save your own stats.


Nome can you explain your sig to me?
I think a picture of beating up a black guy is banworthy.

Also is jerking around with retards forbidden?
Like if you gank someone in the forest and they rage and you convince them you were using maphacks, cause it's cute to see them rage?
That "black guy" is Anderson Silva, the greatest MMA fighter alive right now (IMO) ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IJrWV9CxsY

As for your question, no, for that situation, it is not a punishable offense.


Could you get banned for let's say:
Mesmerizing your teammates with Succubus over and over. Also, tossing a teammate to their death with Pebbles. Even using Ophelia and tping your team back to base continously? :]
Absolutely.


I know you already responded to this already by saying you won't tell us. What scares me is sometimes i do feed really bad..like go 0-10....I never play to intentionally feed....So when I do go 0-10 is become of bad moves I've made. But i don't want to be mistaken for someone who is feeding on purpose when i'm just having a bad day.

I just think you need to give us a TINY bit more information on how you are checking for people who intentionally feed vs noobs or people just having a bad game.
Don't worry, you won't. If you are banned, you can always email support. When we're in doubt, we will always err on the side of caution.


Also, if a player is laggy and gets repeatedly ganked because of the lag, can he be reported for feeding and will his lag issues be taken into consideration? Do you even have a way of checking if a player is laggy?

Can you be reported because you purposely fed during a no-stats game?
No-stats can be reported. Lag, I'm not sure--will have to check.


Related to a previous question, is using a tablet of command to push a teammate into the enemy fountain right as the game is about to end reportable? That is, the situation is undeniably that your team is going to win within the next several seconds.
It is. Just don't do it--some people take stats very seriously.


Props to Nome for answering all these questions although they have been repeated multiple times throughout these 5 pages.

If anything, I think this shows that Nome, and the S2 Staff are dedicated to make this report system work.
Abso-freaking-lutely!


if you make it so kicks don't give you leaves, i am assuming it will still give the win/loss for that game and k/d that happened inside it, would i be correct on assuming this(stops people abusing it to get away from losses scott free)
No. You can't abuse it from getting away from losses--everyone still has to vote to kick.


Let's say a player gets reported for flaming a few times in the span of a year, will these reports keep stacking until he gets permabanned?
Or will you disregard the old reports and only permaban if a user keeps breaking the rules in a shorter time span?
I hope it's the latter.
The latter. I won't release the actual span of time though.


Question here.. what happens if u do like a score of 0-15... u trying to play but ur not lucky at all what happens if ur teammates say stop feeding n00b ill report. you are u going to ban me if being 0-15 becausr they report me?
No.

[Australia]

If someone is griefing you in game, obviously action wont be taken until after the game, could,for example, i get reported for selling all my items for a portal key to afk in forest due to someone who is griefing me, eg, if a pebbles is intentionally throwing me to the team repeatedly, he is in the wrong, but am I in the wrong in then purposely not going to fights and not going near the game(the griefer), while technically i may be griefing my team, i am trying to not be griefed myself.

Also, would this work if it is found they "accidentally" threw me in, mezed me, silenced me etc but i take it as otherwise after 2 or more incidents and afk/hide.

[OfekA]

Hope this system is going to work, though I highly doubt that it will.

[mep]

Is using an item like tablet of command to push a teamate into enemies to grief them reportable?

1. If your playing demented shaman and your behemoth teammate who won't initiate is a noob and is making you initiate as DS, can you get in trouble for constantly pushing him into the enemy team trying to get him to initiate with the tablet even though he doesn't like it and qq's at you?

2. Will you get in trouble for playing codex scout and stay invis the entire match and just KS to farm up your KDR?

3. If your playing CD and you go mid and your swiftblade goes mid and you and your entire team tell him to go top and he doesn't, can you report him for being an idiot?

[PhasemyDH]

1. If your playing demented shaman and your behemoth teammate who won't initiate is a noob and is making you initiate as DS, can you get in trouble for constantly pushing him into the enemy team trying to get him to initiate with the tablet even though he doesn't like it and qq's at you?

2. Will you get in trouble for playing codex scout and stay invis the entire match and just KS to farm up your KDR?

3. If your playing CD and you go mid and your swiftblade goes mid and you and your entire team tell him to go top and he doesn't, can you report him for being an idiot?

This are very very interesting questions.

[CKMo]

1. If your playing demented shaman and your behemoth teammate who won't initiate is a noob and is making you initiate as DS, can you get in trouble for constantly pushing him into the enemy team trying to get him to initiate with the tablet even though he doesn't like it and qq's at you?

2. Will you get in trouble for playing codex scout and stay invis the entire match and just KS to farm up your KDR?

3. If your playing CD and you go mid and your swiftblade goes mid and you and your entire team tell him to go top and he doesn't, can you report him for being an idiot?

1. well strictly speaking, DS should initiate using his ult 10 seconds or more before the team fight.

2. I doubt he can get banned; after all, he is not causing you any deaths or purposely making sure you all die (your loss would be psr and win% wise, i guess). In cases like these, banlist him and don't look back?

3: I think in that case, just banlist him, get out of 1400 games, and let him have mid that game. You may either A: be surprised, I've seen some crazy people go mid and then do really well and carry the entire team before, or B: lose the game but you knew it was going to happen so you prepared by farming up a lot of survival items early game so your kdr doesn't go down.

[CAPSLOCKCPTN]

Can someone clarify what qualifies as "PSR-Pushing" and "Stat-Padding"?

[Spankert]

Is S2 Games seriously going to look at all the games where a player has been reported? It would be so good if you guys do that, but doesn't that take a huge amount of people?

And are you guys sure that people won't be banned when they shouldn't be? Let's say someone is feeding, but not on purpose. He's just not that good in the game and gets ganked a lot. When teammates tell him to stay in base or something he still goes outside and get killed already, just because he's stubborn. Imo someone shouldn't get a ban for being stubborn, except if he is doing it on purpose to ruin the game.

Just wondering about your thoughts :) Good job so far btw!

[Wolfrar]

Honestly... this is online gaming. Its full of:

1. Trolls
2. Sissy 10 year olds
3. General ragers

I appreciate what S2 is trying to do here, but they are going to get thousands of waisted hours looking into stupid reports of little kids crying when someone swears, people trying to take revenge on their team for losing, people just ****ing around, and lets face it, like 80% of the community has raged fairly hard at one point or another, which is probabley seen as bannable.

HoN pubs are frustrating, its a fact. I just Hope that any members of S2, or any Moderators dont waist all their time doing this, when they could be clearly doing other stuff that deserves more imporatent attention (I.E helping people fix the 1000000 bugs in this game on the support forum, where just about no posts are answered/fixed, or creating new stuff for HoN).

[Reveprell]

Will using a courier to loot leavers on the opposiong team be reportable?

[NonSuch]

Actually I do enjoy ppl rage quitting and flaming each other sometimes, so plz don't be to petty minded.

[CKMo]

Will using a courier to loot leavers on the opposiong team be reportable?

doubt it. first of all, you're charging through towers and the pool (which now can attack the courier)
2nd of all, 7 seconds of invulnerability isnt long enuogh
3rd of all, if you didn't get the items, that's your fault, isnt it?

that's like saying will using a courier to loot token of life is bannable. if you didnt pick it up, it's your fault

[Nome]

how were GMs picked/appointed?
Is there any way for a normal player to become a GM?
There was an application process a while ago.


Griefing in nostats (nymph with staff+tablet) yes, no?
No.


If someone is griefing you in game, obviously action wont be taken until after the game, could,for example, i get reported for selling all my items for a portal key to afk in forest due to someone who is griefing me, eg, if a pebbles is intentionally throwing me to the team repeatedly, he is in the wrong, but am I in the wrong in then purposely not going to fights and not going near the game(the griefer), while technically i may be griefing my team, i am trying to not be griefed myself.

Also, would this work if it is found they "accidentally" threw me in, mezed me, silenced me etc but i take it as otherwise after 2 or more incidents and afk/hide.


1. If your playing demented shaman and your behemoth teammate who won't initiate is a noob and is making you initiate as DS, can you get in trouble for constantly pushing him into the enemy team trying to get him to initiate with the tablet even though he doesn't like it and qq's at you?

2. Will you get in trouble for playing codex scout and stay invis the entire match and just KS to farm up your KDR?

3. If your playing CD and you go mid and your swiftblade goes mid and you and your entire team tell him to go top and he doesn't, can you report him for being an idiot?
1. Comes down to intention. If it's not clear to us that you're trying to help the team, then nothing will come out of it.
2. Poor gameplay decisions are not punishable.
3. See above. Also, I do that as Swiftblade all the time :cool:


Can someone clarify what qualifies as "PSR-Pushing" and "Stat-Padding"?
Planting friends/feeders, playing against yourself, abusing PSR exploits, etc.


Is S2 Games seriously going to look at all the games where a player has been reported? It would be so good if you guys do that, but doesn't that take a huge amount of people?

And are you guys sure that people won't be banned when they shouldn't be? Let's say someone is feeding, but not on purpose. He's just not that good in the game and gets ganked a lot. When teammates tell him to stay in base or something he still goes outside and get killed already, just because he's stubborn. Imo someone shouldn't get a ban for being stubborn, except if he is doing it on purpose to ruin the game.

Just wondering about your thoughts :) Good job so far btw!
I currently have 55 people enlisted. I'll add more if necessary. We're going to be dealing only with black and white situations. For the grays, we will always give the benefit of the doubt. Thanks for the encouragement!


Will using a courier to loot leavers on the opposiong team be reportable?
Is this really possible? Oh man, gotta get this fixed :p

[CKMo]

Will there be more application chances to become a GM in the future?

[Trysaeder]

Speaking about the GM application, was there also a Mod application a while back?
I applied for something that I think was a Mod application, but I might have been confused.

[Garbage]

say i am blood hunter and i want to increase my teammate's base damage by casting silence on him even though he doesn't want to be silenced. i continue doing it because i am pro and he is noob and i can tell that he will do much better if i give him the favor of increased base damage. so could i be banned for helping my teammate against his will?

[Lights]

@Nome: Not really a question, more of a suggestion as people do pay to play this game. If someone does get banned/suspended - it should be so that they can only play No Stats games. If they abuse game mechanics/glitches/etc. obviously they are violating Terms of Service and a ban is worthy. However, banning someone from playing the game for up to 1 month after they have paid for their account seems a bit radical.

Is allowing people to play No Stats games while serving a suspension/ban something that has been passed along?

I am by no means being sympathetic to people who will/do get suspended. However, fairness is important. I just don't see many people who if being suspended for over 2 weeks would be encouraged to return to the game, regardless of how addicting it is.

[Dutch]

Forgive me if this has been asked already. I don't think it has, but I'm not 100% sure.

If you happen to own a sub-account(s) in addition to your parent account, will any infractions count separately for each account, or will your entire account tree incur the infraction.

For example, if I go act a fool as DutchOvenFTW (subaccount), would the sentence I receive be felt solely by that account, or for all my accounts (DutchOvenFTW + Dutch)?

[zhatan]

What about griefing by intentional KSing, like pyro with codex that steals any kills when either ulti or codex is up?

[Gorpik]

why would he get banned for it

[Maverickroll]

Can game titles be enforced for reporting players?

i.e. someone makes a game, stat no stat whatever. And its titled something like "1000-1300 PSR all noobs welcome" then once the game starts and maybe you make a few mistakes and die a couple times, is it fair for someone to call a vote kick for that person? If you made a game welcoming ALL "noobs" which can mean both A) new players to the game or B) players lacking in skill of said game, then it should be a reportable function that people can just vote kick you out on the whim of everything. Yes, you need all 9 others to but honestly, it is not that hard to "convince" others to pass a vote, a few words in global chat to do so usually gets most people to do so.

I mean, I'm a paying customer. I look for games that are my level, that say they are open to everyone and its not fair to be denied the ability to play PLUS if its a stat game its another mark against you..

[Hopea`]

ill read others similar questions but me and my friends usually play with out locks, we are 3-4 in same most likely, sometimes our friend isnt doing so great, dying lot etc... then we usually get said he feeds on purpose even to he isnt
bannable?

[Boolbasor]

Is it a possible to get ban if you're just trying to annoy the enemy? Like saying sup everytime you kill them and responding to their rage by just saying sup.

[K1i]

Yeah, the more I read this the more and more bullshit it is. I see chargebacks in S2s imminent future from retarded GM calls and just plain intolerance and subjectiveness.

[RagingHomo]

What if a player would use my nickname as a pretext to report me although he has other issues with me rather than my nickname being "offensive"? Would you S2 games comply to the mortal's request although my nickname is not offensive since homo means human in latin?

[Zogar]

If you get flamed at in a game, in a disagreable, somewhat continuous way, but it's still borderline for a ban, and then right after the game this person tells you in whispers to "go die in a fire", or "hopes you will get murdered", and continue to harass you AFTER the game, will this person be punished ?

I find harrassments after games even worse than in game.

[_Third_Eye_]

Although this question is not about the "report a player function" I have one question that I would like it to be answered:

Does s2 plan to release Heroes of Newerth in stores in the future?

[Essin]

I know this has been answered but I'd like something more than a simple: No.

Will times banned be included on the stats screen?

You answered no and I wonder why not? Isn't this stat just as important as leave% (or em%) to filter out the kind of people you don't want to play with since they either suck or are abusive (usually both). I think this stat would actually be one of the most important ones.

Imo there should be a stat named:

Times banned (unbans): "Where the number of bans are listed and also the number of unbans so you can se if the guy was unbanned (an other option is to remove the ban from the record if unbanned)"

Total ban duration: "How long the guy has been banned."

Last ban date: "The date of when the last banned was issued so you can se if a guy hasn't been banned in a long time mb he has improved his manners or w/e."

[Schobbo]

this is gonna be ridiculous, everyone is gonna report each user, have fun watching millions of replays, i hope you hired thousands of people to do it

[SlowKing]

Can you report people for using 2 accounts under the same name in the same game, dual logging in or w/e it is?

[C00LBeans]

I got 3 disconnects from matchmaking am i able to report it and then get them removed?

I got frozen on matchmaking and i had to disconnect because i was stuck on loading after it found 10 players for like 10+ minutes.

It's nothing about reporting a player just wanted to know if i could report it and then have my 3 leaves removed?

Anyways i also want to know if i can report players who kick me for not "helping" them.

I played pharaoh in one match and my team pretty much got genocided but only i survived, my team told me i sucked and i was an idiot for not helping, even though i was there with them but i had no mana to do anything so why not run back?

Anyways they eventually kicked me for something i could not help them with. I'd rather survive than have the other team get a genocide.

I already reported it but can you report the players who did kick you? Because there's no reason to kick me at all.

[BarneyGumbal]

Often times I'll throw the n word (or some other profanity) at a team mate for taking a last hit or kill I wanted. Is this going to be tolerated?

Also, if I'm griefing my friends and someone else reports me, am I going to be banned? Pretty much any game with friends ends with Pebbles or someone with Tablet of Command trying to throw everyone into the enemy fountain or enemies outside our own fountain.

[netygraph]

I got 3 disconnects from matchmaking am i able to report it and then get them removed?

I got frozen on matchmaking and i had to disconnect because i was stuck on loading after it found 10 players for like 10+ minutes.

It's nothing about reporting a player just wanted to know if i could report it and then have my 3 leaves removed?
It's report-a-player.

Just send e-mail to S2 support and they can look into the issue.

[Paranoyak]

for the Pebbles-throw, Succubus-sleep, Ophelia-tp you should create a category, make them in, and add a command that player can type, to make them unspellable by thoses spell by friends, then there is no reports to do about it.

for the "omg he wont concede" or "omg my team sucks u all feeded ill hide in forest with my PK". you should make kicks not add leaves/kick stats.

so u can ban someone for raging and insulting by chat ?
what if someone rage and insult by voip, then the guy rage and respond by chat, why he would get a ban and not the other ?

not a related question but, when we got kick for being idle more than 3mn in base, why are we "ban" and cant return to the game ? we should have soem time to get back.. or add more time before kick.

[Vulpes]

What happens to those that fill worthless reports, wasting GMs time (like, reporting a bad player in a 1300+ Game for Feeding)?

[Dreadlord]

1- If the guy is feeding on purpose can we report?
2- if the guy hide behind the fountain for not dying can we report
3- if the guy troll .. like racist can we report?

Yes to 1 and 3. 2 is situational.



Can you fix this to:
1. Yes.
2. Yes.
3. No.

Or if you insist on protecting little girls - add a no flame game option, and user option to mark yourself as a flamer, and change it between 'flamer' and 'not flamer' at will. Most of us flame for fun, and not always...its just a part of this game...not something we do uncontrollably.

In normal games reporting racist/trolling/flaming is invalid.
Flamers can't play 'non flamer' game.
If someone flames in non flamer game - reporting him will be valid, and he will be marked as a 'flamer' without an option to change it and get temp ban ofcourse.
Word filter would be disabled in 'flamer' games. (even tho this should be optional for each user)

All games with specified minimum PSR below 1600/1650 or no specified minimum PSR would be automatically 'non flamer' games, hence more friendly environment for new players...and greater use of PSR filter.

Now hire me as a Community Advisor :D

P.S. Link to official suugestion, support it if you agree. (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=142950)

[Villainelle]

Is allowing people to play No Stats games while serving a suspension/ban something that has been passed along?

I am by no means being sympathetic to people who will/do get suspended. However, fairness is important. I just don't see many people who if being suspended for over 2 weeks would be encouraged to return to the game, regardless of how addicting it is.


Honestly... this is online gaming. Its full of:

1. Trolls
2. Sissy 10 year olds
3. General ragers

I appreciate what S2 is trying to do here, but they are going to get thousands of waisted hours looking into stupid reports of little kids crying when someone swears, people trying to take revenge on their team for losing, people just ****ing around, and lets face it, like 80% of the community has raged fairly hard at one point or another, which is probabley seen as bannable.

The point of punishment is not to have to continually punish every wrongdoing that is committed--it's to set a standard of acceptable behavior, and to dissuade others from behaving badly by proving to them that bad behavior has consequences.

If the punishment is not harsh enough--e.g., allowing suspended players to still play no-stats games--then players won't take the punishment seriously.

When this system is first implemented, the GMs will have their hands full. But over time, players will learn that they can no longer act like total ****wads with impunity (http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19/) and will begin policing themselves.

[Villainelle]

Yeah, the more I read this the more and more bullshit it is. I see chargebacks in S2s imminent future from retarded GM calls and just plain intolerance and subjectiveness.

I'm sure they're going to lose a lot of sleep when a few unstable ragers file chargebacks. Meanwhile, if the report system is successful at cleaning up the community--which has been the focal point of criticism in reviews--how many new players will purchase the game?

S2 has everything to gain from this.

[PiXeL_NiNja]

Wow, i wonder where S2 are getting the workforce for all this.... good luck to them,

S2 Sweatshops FTW!!!!

http://thegreatredression.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/nike-sweatshops.jpg

[SpankyHanky]

Is it okay if I play with my friends to sometime write the word "Ost" in the chat at the exact same time to demoralize and confuse the enemy?

[nikoPSK]

Lots of info here! It's been interesting reading through your replies Nome, can't wait for this feature.

[dEph_]

Great work Nome! U r a posting monster!

1. I actually think posting things that are considered punishable offenses would be good. If it was a splash, like the news announcements at game start up. Just as a starting deterrent for any game abuse. Ppl have less of an excuse.

2. I dont think using the monkey to steal items from the enemy fountain is being widely abused. But it has happened in some games. Think snatching token, before the fix, same principle.

[SaintWarrior]

I purchased 4 accounts for me and my frds in Vietnam, we have enjoyed the game with each other until now, whenever they log-in, they receive the message like "Regional Access Is Restricted", HoN announced that once we pay $30, we can play forever, right? We did it, but we cant play now, 2 months after purchasing the accounts!!
can u tell me the solution for that? thanks

[d3sdichad0]

spam ping over the minimap is reportable?? Its the only think that I cant ignore (mic=mute, chat=/ignore,/ic)

[Django]

Wow, i wonder where S2 are getting the workforce for all this.... good luck to them,


simple: no new heroes or ports, since the whole s2 staff will be too busy watching serious replays

nr 2: tons of volunteer-deputies will appear, providing their superior judging skills

[Pick1]

My common response to anyone that doesn't speak english is "I'm sorry, I don't speak terrorist."

Is this bannably racist?

[Lennic]

Lol you actually asking if you (yourself) can get banned for saying anyone who doesnt speak english is a terrorist?... that is racism, but idk if its bannable, cuz its no that severe.

[Assi]

Are you going to change the result of games on basis of feeding/gameruining and such?

[Aesij]

When reviewing reports of a game with English speaking players, will the GMs be required to be fluent in English?

[aeternitatis]

Quote: Originally Posted by Noob http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?p=1906561#post1906561)
what happens if my team doesnt want to concede and i sit in the forest, will i get banned, am i forced to play against a fed team and die?

I'd have to see the entire game to judge on that. Ultimately, it comes down to intention. If you are trying to upset your team, that's very different than if you primary intention is to save your own stats.

I hope you reconsider that. A guy hiding in the forest and refusing to play is unfairly hurting his team regardless of whether the intent is to be an ***hole or to "save his stats."

Why should such a griefer get a pass just because he wanted to "save his stats"?

[Stoneface]

Nome, you're my hero. I really get the feeling that S2 cares, unlike many other companies.

Anyway, here's my question. I was in a game the other day where, fortuitously, my team was winning. The other team didn't take it so well, and many of them left (the game was nostats). When there were just two left, one of them called a pause. It didn't pass, but once he was alone, he paused and showed no intention of unpausing. Fortunately he did anyway after just two minutes, but it got me thinking: Will intentionally (and possibly repeatedly) pausing the game for no apparent reason other than to prolong the game and annoy the opposition be punishable?

[bless_bot]

1. What about being kicked from a game on creation just because your 'em' is too high and the 'pros' think 'em' players are very bad thus should not be allowed in the game.
2. What about ppl with mates who at game creation start insisting that somebody else should be kicked from the game (for a false reason) just to make space for their mates.
3. Just kicking somebody out of a game on creation for a reason which is discriminating.
4. How does banning work together with the reporting system ? I do not have too much knowledge about how banning works but imagine the scenario: you are a noob, you get banned by someone for being a noob, a global banning lists exists so you can't join some games anymore. I do not think one should be banned for being a noob. For that you have stats limitations on game creation. Can anything like that be reported ?
5. What about people being extremely demeaning towards you, trying to convince everyone in a game that you should be kicked out without swearing. Had a really bad game like that and honestly I do not need that !

I know some of my points are minor but they really start you off and you end up always under stress instead of enjoying the game. Also, I do not want somebody telling me all the time how bad I am and how I do everything wrong ... I just want to enjoy the game !

[Rengan]

Isn't not giving any guideline to this invisible language line a little...absurd, almost? You keep saying that we shouldn't be trying to toe the line, and so we don't need to know where it is. While optimistic, what will realistically happen is that people will continue with normal behavior until they get banned, then tone it down a bit and see if they get banned again. Without ANY indication (besides "excessive") of where banworthy language starts and ends, people will either suffer through several bans, which will be successively worse for being repeat offenders, or be so paralyzed by fear that they won't dare say anything mean.

Is that really how you want this feature to work? People being too scared while playing the game to tell someone that they suck? Or maybe they will just throw a little tidbit of advice in a rant, so that it goes from a black-and-white situation to slightly gray.

[JarJar]

What would be the punishment for players if they actively spam the report function?

With the new Report function, if you can actively prove you were wrongly kicked from a game for reasons that are nonsensical, could you get it removed from your stats if need be?

[lecrash]

Will using a courier to loot leavers on the opposiong team be reportable?


This is hilarious and it shouldn't be "banned" or "fixed". This usually goes like this:

Team (L): Ok OK almost just 10 more secs...
ALL (HB): GAIZ how many till he d/cs?
ALL (L): just 10 more secs, you guys are ****ed.
Team (HB): GAIZ check this out!
N Player has been removed from the game. Etc etc...
Team (L): YES YES... Wingbow is mine!
HB courier comes alone, *click* *click* *click* Picks everything up.
ALL (L): WTF? CHEATER!! WHAT THE ****?!?!? FFUUUUUUUUUUUUCK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
Team (HB): LOOOOOOL rolfskates (etc etc)
huge laugh through VoIP
and it always ends with the team conceding :p

like I said hilarious

[DaTom]

Are you gonna do something about AFK host? Is it gonna be reportable, or maybe do something like add an option in lobby to vote change host if the game is full.

[EvilRebel]

Is everybody gonna be treated equally? You know how Maliken tends to lose his head and I'm pretty sure that he sooner or later is gonna break a couple of rules.

[alienkiller]

LOL way to delete my post criticizing s2
some AWESOME mods on this site

[uberdabing]

Reading all the complaints about this system is just outrageous. From how Nome is stating it, the system is set up to only handle clear cut situations where a player is obviously engaging in intentional game ruining or highly abusive behaviour.

This is something that will be clearly helpful to the game. Provided it doesn't become a system where you get banned for swearing (and it currently is not), it will help to prevent a lot of complaints.

I'm happy it's happening, I just feel bad for Nome and the rest of the GMs who will have to filter out all the gripes of raging 12 year olds.

[Hov]

I was probably the biggest let the community police themselves promoter but after seeing how this thing is being implemented im impressed. You did mention youll only be dealing with black and white reports for now but what will happen once people start diving in the grey area.

Instead of feeding people farm without saying anything. Instead of raging they feint a teamfight/gank and watch you die.

You can fake bad plays to grief and its impossible to detect if you dont rage on your team while doing it.

[pk_thunder]

will people abusing the report a player system have their accounts suspended?

[haschisch]

will players i report for asking questions that you, nome, have answered about twenty times in this thread by now be punished?

[Paranoyak]

will players i report for asking questions that you, nome, have answered about twenty times in this thread by now be punished?

will haschisch be ban for gettin the 3H-cheat on his pseudo?

[DarthCidious]

1) will letting a bad player know that hes bad by using terms like "you are bad" "leave please you ruin the game" "go play 1300+ games baddie" be banable? since its not really insulting :o
2) for example is "im not sharing the courier cuz you picked scout" or "im not pausing the game cause you picked nh" considered griefing?

[Al7]

If someone left the game (rage quit after dead etc.) and he respawns but isn't reconnected yet, it is possible to send him to death (kongor, to not give the enemy a lead) to ruin his stats after he ruined the game for leaving. His k/d will get smashed in 5 mins.
Will the one get banned for sending hom to kongor? Can you see who exactly (!) is using his hero (if all 4 use it at the same time for example, maybe 2 send him back, 2 send him to kongor).?

[Nome]

If you get flamed at in a game, in a disagreable, somewhat continuous way, but it's still borderline for a ban, and then right after the game this person tells you in whispers to "go die in a fire", or "hopes you will get murdered", and continue to harass you AFTER the game, will this person be punished ?

I find harrassments after games even worse than in game.
Incidents outside of actual games should be sent to support@heroesofnewerth.com. But it'd be smarter just to use the ignore feature. In a match, ignoring an ally can cause you to miss game-pertinent information, which is why you can report them.


I know this has been answered but I'd like something more than a simple: No.

Will times banned be included on the stats screen?

You answered no and I wonder why not? Isn't this stat just as important as leave% (or em%) to filter out the kind of people you don't want to play with since they either suck or are abusive (usually both). I think this stat would actually be one of the most important ones.

Imo there should be a stat named:

Times banned (unbans): "Where the number of bans are listed and also the number of unbans so you can se if the guy was unbanned (an other option is to remove the ban from the record if unbanned)"

Total ban duration: "How long the guy has been banned."

Last ban date: "The date of when the last banned was issued so you can se if a guy hasn't been banned in a long time mb he has improved his manners or w/e."
This won't happen. We're not out to humiliate players.


Can you report people for using 2 accounts under the same name in the same game, dual logging in or w/e it is?
Yes, send it to me at nome@s2games.com. Although this should be fixed soon.


I got 3 disconnects from matchmaking am i able to report it and then get them removed?

I got frozen on matchmaking and i had to disconnect because i was stuck on loading after it found 10 players for like 10+ minutes.

It's nothing about reporting a player just wanted to know if i could report it and then have my 3 leaves removed?

Anyways i also want to know if i can report players who kick me for not "helping" them.

I played pharaoh in one match and my team pretty much got genocided but only i survived, my team told me i sucked and i was an idiot for not helping, even though i was there with them but i had no mana to do anything so why not run back?

Anyways they eventually kicked me for something i could not help them with. I'd rather survive than have the other team get a genocide.

I already reported it but can you report the players who did kick you? Because there's no reason to kick me at all.
No, they cannot be removed. The other questions were answered already.


Often times I'll throw the n word (or some other profanity) at a team mate for taking a last hit or kill I wanted. Is this going to be tolerated?

Also, if I'm griefing my friends and someone else reports me, am I going to be banned? Pretty much any game with friends ends with Pebbles or someone with Tablet of Command trying to throw everyone into the enemy fountain or enemies outside our own fountain.
No, it will not be tolerated.
Yes, if you grief your friends and someone else doesn't like it, you can be punished for it.


What happens to those that fill worthless reports, wasting GMs time (like, reporting a bad player in a 1300+ Game for Feeding)?
They get suspended/banned if they keep doing it.


Is it okay if I play with my friends to sometime write the word "Ost" in the chat at the exact same time to demoralize and confuse the enemy?
I don't know what ost means, sorry. But if you're using this as an example of foreign insults, we currently don't do anything about those.


spam ping over the minimap is reportable?? Its the only think that I cant ignore (mic=mute, chat=/ignore,/ic)
Yes.


My common response to anyone that doesn't speak english is "I'm sorry, I don't speak terrorist."

Is this bannably racist?
No, it's satire.


Are you going to change the result of games on basis of feeding/gameruining and such?
No.


When reviewing reports of a game with English speaking players, will the GMs be required to be fluent in English?
Yes.


Nome, you're my hero. I really get the feeling that S2 cares, unlike many other companies.

Anyway, here's my question. I was in a game the other day where, fortuitously, my team was winning. The other team didn't take it so well, and many of them left (the game was nostats). When there were just two left, one of them called a pause. It didn't pass, but once he was alone, he paused and showed no intention of unpausing. Fortunately he did anyway after just two minutes, but it got me thinking: Will intentionally (and possibly repeatedly) pausing the game for no apparent reason other than to prolong the game and annoy the opposition be punishable?
First, thanks. As for your question, absolutely.


1. What about being kicked from a game on creation just because your 'em' is too high and the 'pros' think 'em' players are very bad thus should not be allowed in the game.
2. What about ppl with mates who at game creation start insisting that somebody else should be kicked from the game (for a false reason) just to make space for their mates.
3. Just kicking somebody out of a game on creation for a reason which is discriminating.
4. How does banning work together with the reporting system ? I do not have too much knowledge about how banning works but imagine the scenario: you are a noob, you get banned by someone for being a noob, a global banning lists exists so you can't join some games anymore. I do not think one should be banned for being a noob. For that you have stats limitations on game creation. Can anything like that be reported ?
5. What about people being extremely demeaning towards you, trying to convince everyone in a game that you should be kicked out without swearing. Had a really bad game like that and honestly I do not need that !

I know some of my points are minor but they really start you off and you end up always under stress instead of enjoying the game. Also, I do not want somebody telling me all the time how bad I am and how I do everything wrong ... I just want to enjoy the game !
1. No.
2. No.
3. No.
4. No such thing as global ban list.
5. No.


Isn't not giving any guideline to this invisible language line a little...absurd, almost? You keep saying that we shouldn't be trying to toe the line, and so we don't need to know where it is. While optimistic, what will realistically happen is that people will continue with normal behavior until they get banned, then tone it down a bit and see if they get banned again. Without ANY indication (besides "excessive") of where banworthy language starts and ends, people will either suffer through several bans, which will be successively worse for being repeat offenders, or be so paralyzed by fear that they won't dare say anything mean.

Is that really how you want this feature to work? People being too scared while playing the game to tell someone that they suck? Or maybe they will just throw a little tidbit of advice in a rant, so that it goes from a black-and-white situation to slightly gray.
I can't for the life of me imagine how someone would get punished for verbal abuse, then manage to get punished again for a later incident and somehow claim that he didn't know what he did wrong. First of all, the offender shouldn't have been doing what he did in the first place. Second, if we released exactly what the guidelines were, EVERYONE would just walk the line and the entire game would actually be WORSE than it is now.


What would be the punishment for players if they actively spam the report function?

With the new Report function, if you can actively prove you were wrongly kicked from a game for reasons that are nonsensical, could you get it removed from your stats if need be?
1. Warnings/suspensions/ban
2. Yes.


Are you gonna do something about AFK host? Is it gonna be reportable, or maybe do something like add an option in lobby to vote change host if the game is full.
No, but there is some internal talk about adding a feature to transfer host.


Is everybody gonna be treated equally? You know how Maliken tends to lose his head and I'm pretty sure that he sooner or later is gonna break a couple of rules.
Yes.


will people abusing the report a player system have their accounts suspended?
Yes.


1) will letting a bad player know that hes bad by using terms like "you are bad" "leave please you ruin the game" "go play 1300+ games baddie" be banable? since its not really insulting :o
2) for example is "im not sharing the courier cuz you picked scout" or "im not pausing the game cause you picked nh" considered griefing?
1. Depends how bad it gets. If it was just what you did in your example, then no, that's not enough.
2. No. That player never had the obligation to do it in the first place. On the other hand, if he unshares courier while you have your item on it, then he's boned ;)


If someone left the game (rage quit after dead etc.) and he respawns but isn't reconnected yet, it is possible to send him to death (kongor, to not give the enemy a lead) to ruin his stats after he ruined the game for leaving. His k/d will get smashed in 5 mins.
Will the one get banned for sending hom to kongor? Can you see who exactly (!) is using his hero (if all 4 use it at the same time for example, maybe 2 send him back, 2 send him to kongor).?
Great question here. I can't answer it right now, because I'll need some more information from other people.

Keep it coming guys!

[bless_bot]

At the end of the day I am becoming sicker and sicker with the HON community and the abuse going on. I got this game to have fun and hoping for an improvement over old dota. I am sick of 'GTFO', 'STFU', and 'RETARD' + the kicking. You would not say that to somebody in real life, or tell somebody that they suck and should leave in real life, yet you suddenly get the courage to do that ingame. If you don't want to play with people that suck than you should build your PSR up to the stars and play with the pros !!! So I would very much welcome this reporting system and hope it to be very strict !!! I have been so tempted lately to ignore all chat, yet that is a problem as I would not be able to report misses and would prolly end up being kicked or something !!! So this is not really fun ...

[TheOriginal]

Will you be able to fight your own case when it comes to being reported?? or is it just going to be this guy reported you... we'll decide if you get banned.

[Troutickuss]

IMO, report a player is a bad idea. you're going to be taking in a TON of complaints....LOTS of them. almost every game someone cries. If i have an issue with a player when thats released im just going to flame on in voice chat so theres no evidence of it happening at all.

[Nome]

Will you be able to fight your own case when it comes to being reported?? or is it just going to be this guy reported you... we'll decide if you get banned.
You will not be able to defend yourself until after action has been taken and you have been notified.


IMO, report a player is a bad idea.
Players who obey the rules and play fairly have nothing to be afraid of whatsoever. Not calling you out, as this is more of a "to everyone" sorta thing, but if you are worried that this system is going to impede on how you play and how you convey yourself, then you are absolutely correct in that respect. It WILL force players to be nicer, stop griefing, and play fair.

[DaTom]

Today I played a game where the guy was just farming farming farming and farming, not answering to any of our questions, not doing any team support, playing is own game. He didn't get involved in any of our teamfights and we lost due to 4v5 the whole game. We finally got him kicked. Is farming all game and not helping on teamfight reportable?

[uberdabing]

Today I played a game where the guy was just farming farming farming and farming, not answering to any of our questions, not doing any team support, playing is own game. He didn't get involved in any of our teamfights and we lost due to 4v5 the whole game. We finally got him kicked. Is farming all game and not helping on teamfight reportable?

It's already been answered that playing badly cannot be banned. The point of this feature is not to report players you think are bad or that you think aren't doing what they should be doing. If that's the case, then you could argue that a support hero stealing a hero kill is game ruining and ban him.

This feature is to eliminate unreasonable behaviour that has a clear, malicious intent.

[Lo_Pan]

Good job!

[uberdabing]

Icefrog and Steam soon will start testing their new and modernized DotA.
You ban people for whatever period you think is right at HoN, then those people will migrate to the new DotA and leave you broke will all your "all mighty righteous" bans.

Isn't that the point of the system? Either follow the rules or get out.

[Conquerz]

Here's the situation:
3 russian/pinoys/brasilian they are all friends to each other, they do NOT talk english, or just say "lol noob" and well, you know the roll. The other guy is some sort of internet whiteknight and defends them when i -on purpose- bash them with all the hate of my heart. The whiteknight proceeds to report me. Do i get a ban? (and i bash them with every racial slurg and insult i know)

AND, if i'm just having a bad game (Happened once or twice, 3-28 Slither, go figure) and someone reports me cause of that. Do i get a ban? even i didn't do it on purpose, i was just had a feber, my reflexes sucked etc?

[Pygmygod]

If your main or sub account gets banned does your sub or main account also get banned?

[Couchmonster]

I like playing games to the end, even if it is almost certain that I lose.
I actually still have fun when I lose a game, even if I get owned.
People like conceding early, even try forcing me to concede or kick me.
Do I have to concede early, or can I deny it even if I wanna play a 100% loss.

Who is right and can report who?

[KingBane]

is profanity going to be a bannable offence? like if i say the f word alot in all my sentences. like fan-effing-tastic etc. or just regular f you's.

[Conquerz]

I like playing games to the end, even if it is almost certain that I lose.
I actually still have fun when I lose a game, even if I get owned.
People like conceding early, even try forcing me to concede or kick me.
Do I have to concede early, or can I deny it even if I wanna play a 100% loss.

Who is right and can report who?

This too, i NEVER try to concede, i only concede if i have to go and im losing.

[Vor]

While i do actually agree very strongly with this "global cleanup" of the HoN community, Nome you did make a point of:
"Second, if we released exactly what the guidelines were, EVERYONE would just walk the line and the entire game would actually be WORSE than it is now."
However, i feel that this would actually not make this game worse at all, but rather cleaner in the first place. Think about this, this 9 soon to be 10 page thread is going to be considered the official rulebook of HoN manners? Wouldn't it be far more simple to give out at least a list of bannable guidelines to the community so that we won't have to cross the line in the first place? I would think that people walking the line by saying "leave this game you are bad" rather than "leave this game *insert various remarks here*" would already vastly help clean up the community in-game. Furthermore, if people do not have the ability to argue with their own bans, how are we supposed to truly understand certain bans that were closer to the "line" without a specific list of rules to begin with? Sure i am obviously not talking about the obvious racist remarks, sexist remarks, and various cuss words being tossed around in games, but rather the offenses such as calling someone out for ruining a game due to picks, bad play, etc. How exactly are we supposed to know if we just went to far trying to teach someone how to be better? I would surely hope that the answer isn't "well you will get a ban and that will teach you that," as that doesn't actually teach us a thing without a rulebook to refer to. I belive that the majority of this forum is trying to NOT recieve the banhammer on their accounts, and if walking right below the line is how they do it, that should be acceptable as we still would no longer see the problems happening in the first place. If THAT is a problem, then lower the bar and make sure everyone plays friendly or gets a ban, but at LEAST be kind enough to give us the rules that WE have to play by.
Sorry for sloppy grammar etc, I typed this in the quick reply as I am far too lazy to take a post to Word or the like to edit it properly.
Thank you for your time Nome,
-Vor

[fireblade]

1: if you get banned will it tell you why your banned with match id.
2: when your banned will you beable to watch replays and practice game?
3: i constantly say 'fck' in game and i notice it doesnt censor, even if its in a non bad way, is this banable?
4: would calling someone bad be bannable?
5: would calling somone bad repeatable times be bannable?
6: if we report a player about VoIP what would the consequence be?
7: if u get consecutive reports about VoIP is it possible to be banned?
8: will every report on a player be recorded?
9: is the report a play kind of like a point system? reported for 1 point, reach 5 points ull get banned possibly in a different way?
10:Will ban times increase for each consecutive ban?
11:Will it be possible to be banned for 6 days for your first report and will the next ban be possibly shorter and or longer?

[pk_thunder]

how would you build a case vs someone using voip? is this recorded in the replay?

[SilverStars]

I'm actually still trying to pick out something that can be wrong with this Report system, and I still can't find anything. It looks pretty perfect to me. So, my question is:

Do you envision any obvious problems with this Report-A-Player system when it is implemented? (e.g. Not enough GMs to handle reports, Report-A-Player too reliant on replay data)

Actually, I've thought of something. How will the system handle people that are sided with the other team in the aspect that they won't concede and the other team is intentionally dragging the game on? For example, this one player playing Soulstealer runs around the base defending while the other team simply farms all the lanes and doesn't try to end the game? Will this be handle-able, or will you have to ragequit? Wouldn't this be hard to handle, because it's hard to differentiate between a person who doesn't know s/he has lost and another that is intentionally dragging the game?

[Lolalf]

why arent the rules just published? so everyone knows what is actually allowed and what not? i mean this way u could do something wrong without even knowing that its wrong. I mean u said:"if we released exactly what the guidelines were, EVERYONE would just walk the line". Isnt that how rules work?

[aramil]

If (for example another match i had earlier this week) i was on a team of 4 friends, and ended up going 0/3/4 in the laning phase, sacrificing myself so the carry i was babysitting could get one or two kills. they then start to yell at me for being a feeder and screaming at me the rest of the game trying to vote kick me every minute or so, the other team declining it and even whispering me to not worry about it.

if after about 25 minutes of this (30 into the game or so) i started throwing them into the enemy would i be eligible for being reported even though they harassed me nearly the entire game (obviously they would be reported)

[Lights]

Nome: http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showpost.php?p=1907927&postcount=116

You never answered it =[

[rgostic]

Can you fix this to:
1. Yes.
2. Yes.
3. No.

Or if you insist on protecting little girls - add a no flame game option, and user option to mark yourself as a flamer, and change it between 'flamer' and 'not flamer' at will. Most of us flame for fun, and not always...its just a part of this game...not something we do uncontrollably.

In normal games reporting racist/trolling/flaming is invalid.
Flamers can't play 'non flamer' game.
If someone flames in non flamer game - reporting him will be valid, and he will be marked as a 'flamer' without an option to change it and get temp ban ofcourse.
Word filter would be disabled in 'flamer' games. (even tho this should be optional for each user)

All games with specified minimum PSR below 1600/1650 or no specified minimum PSR would be automatically 'non flamer' games, hence more friendly environment for new players...and greater use of PSR filter.

Now hire me as a Community Advisor :D

P.S. Link to official suugestion, support it if you agree. (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=142950)

I hope you are banned.

[rgostic]

So if I'm playing defiler, and scout comes mid with boots and tangos and starts auto attacking creeps. Then I vote to kick him. Am I banned?

[Prays4u]

Stat padding is reportable? So let me get this straight if the other team refuses to concede, plays bad enough to the point where you can farm them (if they are dumb enough to leave fountain) you can get in trouble for this?

Epic fail on S2s part. You need to worry about people who are throwing the game or intentionally losing. Not people who played well...why punish them.

[Prays4u]

why arent the rules just published? so everyone knows what is actually allowed and what not? i mean this way u could do something wrong without even knowing that its wrong. I mean u said:"if we released exactly what the guidelines were, EVERYONE would just walk the line". Isnt that how rules work?

No thats why speed limit signs read ~ 45 mph. Then if the cop is having a bad day they can just stick it to you unfairly.

[spikernum1]

Stat padding is reportable? So let me get this straight if the other team refuses to concede, plays bad enough to the point where you can farm them (if they are dumb enough to leave fountain) you can get in trouble for this?

Epic fail on S2s part. You need to worry about people who are throwing the game or intentionally losing. Not people who played well...why punish them.stat padding, eg. joining a 1v1 game with a friend who feeds you 200 kills.

not stat padding, your example.

[haschisch]

Stat padding is reportable? So let me get this straight if the other team refuses to concede, plays bad enough to the point where you can farm them (if they are dumb enough to leave fountain) you can get in trouble for this?no you cant as said 209412355123times before in answers to similar questions.

Epic fail on S2s part. You need to worry about people who are throwing the game or intentionally losing. Not people who played well...why punish them.http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/epic
pls. good read for you.

[Granman]

What if a player a bunch of friends report you just for the hell of it, say for afking or feeding when you never did?

[haschisch]

What if a player a bunch of friends report you just for the hell of it, say for afking or feeding when you never did?
then they will see in the replays that you never did and will spread the consequences over the bunch of friends for abusing the ticket-system.
as the replays are saved on the servers this works out fine.

[KorokFanNr1]

If you are banned and you think the decission is unfair, will there be a method to defend yourself? Will you need match ID to open a support ticket? Will you be able to obtain that ID without being able to access to the game?

[sukhar]

....if we released exactly what the guidelines were, EVERYONE would just walk the line and the entire game would actually be WORSE than it is now.


This was regarding a question about obscene language.

I'm having a tough time trying to figure this out. Currently, there is extremely little going on in terms of punishments for cursing and such. Therefore, people curse as much (or as little) as they want. How will telling people what language will get them banned increase the amount of cursing? People will simply tone it down if they were cursing more than now allowed and otherwise would not change anything.

Furthermore, the entire concept of creating a hidden line for what is inappropriate and what is not makes no sense at all. The only motivation i can see is that you mean to scare people into not cursing without specifically disallowing it, which is simply a cop-out. IMHO, either man up and disallow obscenities entirely, allow all obscenities, or clearly a define a line for what is or is not allowed.

[Rokman]

Who in their right mind would hire NOME?!?

[Atrim3ntus]

1: if you get banned will it tell you why your banned with match id.
2: when your banned will you beable to watch replays and practice game?
3: i constantly say 'fck' in game and i notice it doesnt censor, even if its in a non bad way, is this banable?
4: would calling someone bad be bannable?
5: would calling somone bad repeatable times be bannable?
6: if we report a player about VoIP what would the consequence be?
7: if u get consecutive reports about VoIP is it possible to be banned?
8: will every report on a player be recorded?
9: is the report a play kind of like a point system? reported for 1 point, reach 5 points ull get banned possibly in a different way?
10:Will ban times increase for each consecutive ban?
11:Will it be possible to be banned for 6 days for your first report and will the next ban be possibly shorter and or longer?

1) Most likely yes
2) Makes sense that If you're banned you will not be able to login at all
3) Probably not but if it's directed to a player like "**** you" then yes
4) Doubt it
5) That could be considered harassing so most likely yes
6) Since there's currently no way of reviewing VoIP (No VoIP conversations are recorded in a replay), I doubt much will be done about this (if anything)
7) See above
8) Most likely yes
9) Can't say how
10) Probably
11) I believe bans will range from hours, days or weeks, then it will be perma ban

[Razeluxe]

Ok, so here's my question. What about clan vs clan conflicts? We should take a lesson from B.net by knowing that these conflicts can get messy.

I'm not talking about two equally powerful and resourceful clans, I'm talking about a very big or irritating clan messing around with another, with spamming, trashing or anything else you can think of. Would the members of the guilty clan be penalized (not all of them, of course, just the bad ones)?

And, though I think the answer is apparent, is verbal abusing (excessive racial, sexist, horrible bad things that people don't like hearing) reportable in the chat channels provided screen shots and whatever other evidence is required presented?

[SleepyGoat]

While i do actually agree very strongly with this "global cleanup" of the HoN community, Nome you did make a point of:
"Second, if we released exactly what the guidelines were, EVERYONE would just walk the line and the entire game would actually be WORSE than it is now."
However, i feel that this would actually not make this game worse at all, but rather cleaner in the first place. Think about this, this 9 soon to be 10 page thread is going to be considered the official rulebook of HoN manners? Wouldn't it be far more simple to give out at least a list of bannable guidelines to the community so that we won't have to cross the line in the first place? I would think that people walking the line by saying "leave this game you are bad" rather than "leave this game *insert various remarks here*" would already vastly help clean up the community in-game. Furthermore, if people do not have the ability to argue with their own bans, how are we supposed to truly understand certain bans that were closer to the "line" without a specific list of rules to begin with? Sure i am obviously not talking about the obvious racist remarks, sexist remarks, and various cuss words being tossed around in games, but rather the offenses such as calling someone out for ruining a game due to picks, bad play, etc. How exactly are we supposed to know if we just went to far trying to teach someone how to be better? I would surely hope that the answer isn't "well you will get a ban and that will teach you that," as that doesn't actually teach us a thing without a rulebook to refer to. I belive that the majority of this forum is trying to NOT recieve the banhammer on their accounts, and if walking right below the line is how they do it, that should be acceptable as we still would no longer see the problems happening in the first place. If THAT is a problem, then lower the bar and make sure everyone plays friendly or gets a ban, but at LEAST be kind enough to give us the rules that WE have to play by.
Sorry for sloppy grammar etc, I typed this in the quick reply as I am far too lazy to take a post to Word or the like to edit it properly.
Thank you for your time Nome,
-Vor
The line is drawn already, the problem is with people crossing it over and over again since there is no fault for doing so.
Here is the line : talk to people as if they are some boys you met at the dining hall a few minutes ago(which is pretty much the actual case). If you know you would get punched in your face if you did something then, don't do it here as well. Act logical and emotional enough and you should be fine.

QUESTION!!:
IS there a time limit for the suspension records to be cleaned out from one's account?
meaning, if someone is judged faulty now, and once again next year and once again the year after, will they be getting the same punishment as someone who did the same thing with 1 week intervals in between?

[Soosell]

<3 This is Newerth btw but here we go;
Is it possible to record voice chat on a separate program?
Would it have to be Fraps or something with video or would just sound recording software suffice?
:scou:

[Chrysaetos]

Will you be able to report players who won't pass a pause vote to let a team-mate reconnect?

[PiXeL_NiNja]

will saved voip chat be considered into evidence against said flamer?

[evotech]

I'm so not looking forward to this, it will just be "IMREPORING YOU !11!!" all game, S2 will get 90% pointless reports, and the people actually trolling/griefing will get away with it for covering it up like their trying to win / being noobs

[Slatox]

Nome, what is your definition of griefing? Is it something along the lines of *repeatedly* doing something bad? I know the pebbles/tablet of command thing has come up a few times, but surely someone won't get banned for doing it once (or say twice if it's on different people) in a game right?

I see you've talked about not wanting to define exactly where the line is, "if you have to ask then you shouldn't be doing it", but I'm more-so asking about the definition of griefing, which if gms adhere to the definition (assuming it includes "repeatedly"), a one-off toss now and then would indeed be permissible. Is this the case?

[evotech]

Pebbles throwing people out the fountain id assume being just for fun, since they haven't added the "no help" thing its a part of the game

If he does it while refusing to concede just to throw people out to feed enemy team, that would be griefing

in my eyes though, i can see people having different views

[Fumoffu]

Alright let's say the majority of my team is raging at me over something silly, like me choosing a different hero than they wanted. If they continue to do it and show no signs of stopping, would it be considered griefing if I tell them I'm not going to help them anymore if they don't stop and then just play a solo game til it ends. If I didn't do anything vindictive like trying to get them killed, but just farmed and went in to get kills after they fought would that be bannable?

It's not that I plan on doing this very often, it's just that some people don't understand the concept of teamwork and that if you piss someone off enough they won't want to help you win the game.

[Sen]

I have a question:

How can S2 keep a straight face when processing reports for abuse or racism when there a proven occasions of S2 staff being abusive and racist?

[Essin]

This won't happen. We're not out to humiliate players.


Isn't the same argument in that case valid for leave% stat as well? (and mb even em%)

You give us the choise to not play with people that leave and call out the leavers (humiliate them)

Why not give us the choise to not play with people that have been banned many times, its often worse to have an abusive player that feeds (or w/e) and whines than to play 4v5.

Btw, I really like what you are doing here and I'm impressed by how much S2 cares about the community! <3

[evotech]

I have a question:

How can S2 keep a straight face when processing reports for abuse or racism when there a proven occasions of S2 staff being abusive and racist?


Yeah, Maliken is one of HoN's biggest ragers :P

Idk about racism though, got proof?

[PunisheR_`]

Having fun with this thread :p
TEEHEE

[CJ]

If i join a matchmaking game, then someone leaves either during lobby or right at the start so the game is 4v5 from the outset, will i be punished for waiting in the forest? I sometimes do this when the above situation causes the game to be ridiculously one-sided and unfun, such as having to 1v2 as Magmus. Since there is no ingame way of getting out of such a situation other than taking a leave and risking being banned from matchmaking altogether i think it's a little unfair to require me to go through the motions of actively playing for 15 minutes rather than just tab out and read forums.

[zhatan]

I still wonder, intentionally KSing a whole game. Is it banneable?
Just farming and not helping out in teamfights, is it banneable?
Is buying really retarded items banneable? (pk on hag for example)

You say that ppl have nothing to worry about if they dont do anything but you have enough rules for ppl who just play to break them aswell.

Add to that the fact that you let 30 "noobs" police it, pretty much like the extreme subjective policing of the forum, does also leave you in a big heap of problems. Most, if not all DOTA-leagues have had ALOT of problems with admins ****ing ppl over, the big diffrence here is that you will be unable to play the game(wich you have payed for) at all if they decide to fark you over while in DOTA you could play other leagues/pubs.

[Mr_Mouser]

In my opinion this report thing should work for the following:

- bad language
- racism
- no reason kick

and not be applied to in game related time, this includes

- staying at well to not be killed ( just because there is no rule saying you are not allowed to do that and because its your choice and will not affect the other team and this usually happens when a team its not a team and everyone dose what they want so i don't see the point on this)
- back door ( again you are not breaking any rule)

what i am trying to say here is that the report user should work only for insult related actions and it should not create indirect new rules to the game (like staying at the well not to be killed) if you get what i mean

[T6nuOss]

game id: 6081772
pesti: kirillos
chrons: Kermiis
staff check this out.. its not normal.

[BIurb]

is leaving a game ever banworthy? I just had a teammate in a 1650+ game that randomed, got rampage, and said he wouldn't repick because rampage is good. I left at the character selection screen, and now this one guy's telling me that's banworthy >_>

does the leaver stat not take care of this already?

[AndrewReily]

Will a term I call "happy" trolling be acceptable.

Example:
a previous game, a dev got rooted by my beardubooboo (wildsoul) and started the rage of "YOUR SO LUCKY BLAHBLAH".
I come back with a retort of "skill brah"

Bannable?

[Forfeit]

Did someone really bring up freedom of speech and the Bill of Rights? S2 isn't making it illegal (you face no jail time or fines), it's just against the rules, and if you don't play by their rules then you have to get off of their playground.

[Forfeit]

Will a term I call "happy" trolling be acceptable.

Example:
a previous game, a dev got rooted by my beardubooboo (wildsoul) and started the rage of "YOUR SO LUCKY BLAHBLAH".
I come back with a retort of "skill brah"

Bannable?
Talking to the other team is not against the rules. Basically don't ruin games intentionally, don't go over the line with the jabs and trash talk, keep the racism/anti-semitism/mysognism to a minimum and you'll be fine.

[Takendown2]

Is putting "English Speakers Only" in the titles of your game bannable?

[JollyKnight]

Is putting "English Speakers Only" in the titles of your game bannable?

if it is i'm gonna have to stop playing. communication is a large portion of teamplay, and i'm sorry if i can't communicate with ppl speaking gibberish(not insulting ur language, gibberish in the sense that i don' tunderstand what it means), its not my fault i'd like to enjoy my games.

[AndrewReily]

Talking to the other team is not against the rules. Basically don't ruin games intentionally, don't go over the line with the jabs and trash talk, keep the racism/anti-semitism/mysognism to a minimum and you'll be fine.

thanks nome #2 :)

i assumed as much, i just don't want to get banned for being a cool guy.

[CieLs]

I got kicked from a game because my team didn't like my attitude, even though some were equally aggressive.

(Mind you I didn't use any vulgar language, and the other team didn't understand)

This person spent the whole game trying to kick me and ended up saying "we'll concede when we kick him" Which they did

I find this to be harassment, am I correct?

[SmokeShow]

If I report a player will I get a message from S2 on the verdict?

It certainly would be nice to know. Also feedback would lead to more intelligent reports and less unnecessary reports due to ignorance.

[MileyCyrus]

I got kicked from a game because my team didn't like my attitude, even though some were equally aggressive.

(Mind you I didn't use any vulgar language, and the other team didn't understand)

This person spent the whole game trying to kick me and ended up saying "we'll concede when we kick him" Which they did

I find this to be harassment, am I correct?

This case would likely be harassment, but it really depends on your behavior and their behavior. Most harassment cases will be considered on a case by case basis

[Thradakor]

America?
THIS
IS
NEWERTH


I lol'd

[zhatan]

This case would likely be harassment, but it really depends on your behavior and their behavior. Most harassment cases will be considered on a case by case basis

And there we go, GG. Some ppl will get banned, others wont and a 3rd party will be banned for reporting ppl who knows admins/mods. As per all case to case subjective crap rules.

[BLABLAFU]

Stop the hate towards the chosen GM's, they might aswell do their job well.

[Parsa]

If I really enjoy pissing people off and ruining their game in puplic games will I get banned?

Its quite sad that I enjoy griefing and stupid things like this are implemented. Imo only cheating and **** should be bannable offence like in other games.

I dont like features where a thight gm could ban a person for a very small offence but another gm would just let it go. It shouldnt be up to someones personal view, only about real facts.

[Dreadlord]

I hope you are banned.

Thing is, from my perspective, I hope you and rest of the emo girls get banned for overusing the report-a-player function :)

[SmokeShow]

There should be a statstic that lets people know how many times a particular account has been banned.

If someone joins my game and they have been banned like 10 times, chances are they aren't learning their lesson and I don't want them in my game.

[Shen]

How will we know who the new GM'S are? =o

[MeDoeyDamage]

I know you guys say you are ok with it but will you ever make it impossible?
I lost a legit game last night because someone on the other team backdoored all the rax when their creeps weren't even past the river...

I know that you said bd is ok by you guys...but is there ever going to be a line?

there has to be some etiquette or something you guys can look at because sometimes it gets way out of hand

e: ty im not trying to be a pain just frusterated :)

[Forfeit]

I know you guys say you are ok with it but will you ever make it impossible?
I lost a legit game last night because someone on the other team backdoored all the rax when their creeps weren't even past the river...

I know that you said bd is ok by you guys...but is there ever going to be a line?

there has to be some etiquette or something you guys can look at because sometimes it gets way out of hand
He didn't do anything wrong. S2 has said numerous times that the only thing that is over the line is teleporting into an opponents base (with Nymphora's ult, for example) when there are no creeps there. This is currently disabled in the game. If you see someone running into your base, you have time to react, so it's not unfair.

[Forfeit]

If I really enjoy pissing people off and ruining their game in puplic games will I get banned?

Its quite sad that I enjoy griefing and stupid things like this are implemented. Imo only cheating and **** should be bannable offence like in other games.

I dont like features where a thight gm could ban a person for a very small offence but another gm would just let it go. It shouldnt be up to someones personal view, only about real facts.
If you're intentionally ruining games, you're pretty much the reason this system was implemented, so don't expect your behavior to be one of those cases that's considered "on the line" and could go one way or the other.

[CieLs]

This case would likely be harassment, but it really depends on your behavior and their behavior. Most harassment cases will be considered on a case by case basis

Maybe I'll just leave it, what's done is done for my stats.

It'd be a little vengeful to carry this further.

[sillent]

Hey so thanks a lot Nome for answering all of our questions!
you said that no-stats games were reportable.. would it be that all the rules that apply for stat games apply to no-stats?

also, if a player disconnects (stats or no-stats) and for the next 5 minutes you intentionally send the leaver player to jungle or kong or enemy fountain to kill him (for leaving) can the leaver report you? or can you report the leaver for rage-quitting?

could people report you for constantly KSing? or if your team goes COME HELP IN TEAMFIGHT but you refuse saying "you need farm" or whatever, is that an offense?

[Pr0XioN]

Sorry S2 but remaking Dota (as you stated on your homepage) and not apply the rules that were in dota (backdoor) makes this game so crappy.

I agree that backdoor could be a nice part of the game. But there are to many diffrences in heroes that are better to backdoor then others that it is very stupid to allow backdoor.

I wanted this option for a long time. But also with reporting backdoor. This is a big fillure of S2.

(Dota league games do not allow BD)

[sillent]

yeah, they dealt with that in this patch to an extent (HUGE nerf to warbeast)
if backdoor is such an awesome strategy, then teams should include a good backdoorer in their lineup.. but since thats not the case your point is not valid.

if you cant carry TPs when playing against a scout/mage/warbeast/wildsoul/oph etc then you deserved to be bd'd.

[GoldMath]

Q : A person who don't stop say thing like all "ffs" "i am pro" "noob" can be report ?

[say0nara]

How about someone that refuses to communicate? No typed or verbal communication during the entire match? Not even a ping? That can ruin a game just as quickly as someone that wants to buy a port key and hide somewhere.

[Grajjio]

Are you able to find the Match ID's from MatchMaking system? Want to take out a guy who went afk hiding in woods at lvl 4 after dying 4 times under less than 8 min... until we got lvl 18 Match id "Automatch #50535" Pandamonium Named "Dorathor"

this kind of behavior is not cool!

[spell_ufb]

When will you make the god damn button work? Having it is all fine and good, but it doesnt do ANYTHING.... Way to release another buggy patch...

[slocik]

Are you able to find the Match ID's from MatchMaking system? Want to take out a guy who went afk hiding in woods at lvl 4 after dying 4 times under less than 8 min... until we got lvl 18 Match id "Automatch #50535" Pandamonium Named "Dorathor"

this kind of behavior is not cool!

so you wanted him to continue on feeding ? This is a stupid reson to report somone, when he probbly did you all a favor.

[Fuga]

did i really get reported about verbal abuse for calling a valk who went to woods afk at like 8 min retarded etc?

[GTL`]

is there any other method to contact a GM to report player abuse other than the report-a-player feature?

a website app or a GM channel would be nice.

[pablofsi]

I think bans should go from 1 day to 1 month, that's fine, but you shouldn't ban a player permanently, that's unethical and leaves you with a very image in front of the users.

You can't do that IMO.

[Fenald]

If my account gets banned can I get 25 wins on another to get back into HoN?


Do you guys seriously think you have the man power to deal with 10,000 DIS GUY BACKDOORED PLZ BAN THX's a day?

Does s2 have any way to hear voice chat that went on in a game? I'd assume not since it isn't in replays.


nome banned me in TDA I don't feel safe.

[you_suck]

i bought this game i should be able to do whatever the **** i want if i get banned im going straight back to dota

[NoskillzNils]

You are in the picking phase. 4/5 of your teammates has picked their heroes.
you already got a carry.
your team tells the last guy not to get a carry / agility hero.
He picks scout.


This must be a ban.

[Snakepit]

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