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volokin
06-29-2010, 11:00 PM
Am I the only one that thinks that he's a subpar shoutcaster? Anytime I have to listen to him I notice he misses SO many things in games on top of talking annoyingly fast and with a very basic general understanding of what is going on...
IKHAN
06-29-2010, 11:03 PM
I cant speak for others, but I listen to breaky for how animated he is. He makes it fun. Yeah he doesn't catch every little detail but he enjoys casting and his commentary makes me enjoy watching the replay more.
Phase1Skeith
06-29-2010, 11:04 PM
Yes, you are the only one.
People will complain about any shoutcaster. I think he does great.
Vulpes
06-29-2010, 11:07 PM
Yes. He misses a LOT (since the camerawork is done by him, we don't see it, either), especially since he doesn't seem to watch the Minimap*.
He also has a very low understanding of the game mechanics, leading to a lot of "HE IS DEAD! NO, HE SURVIVES!" and a lot of other strange stuff;
plus thus not being able to point out actually interesting things (ex Testie going Stats over CoA as Chronos), but mostly commentating on blatancies.
Calling him a "subpar" caster seems to be kinda off still, since he DOES have his upsides -
an entertaining voice, and being able to keep track of what he actually focusses on,
plus .. well, there aren't any better people. Stridah used to be a very good caster (but somehow disappeared),
and else there isn't much taking on HonCast/Breaky - GR seems to be ignored completly, and Neva anyways.
So, while I can't understand the 'Breaky-Hype' at all, and do not think he is an exceptional caster,
he seems to be the best we can get for the moment, so I wish he keeps doing it anyways.
*Basic Example: He says "Does he have a Ward? I don't think so!" when one could clearly see the red dot
joYnt
06-29-2010, 11:07 PM
i know, sometimes i just feel i HAVE to come on the forums and whine about stuff. i just cant help it
volokin
06-30-2010, 12:18 AM
Sorry if my tone seems a little too aggressive, English is my second language.
DocSmoothJew
06-30-2010, 12:45 AM
It's great that he really devotes himself and really energizes a cast, but I wouldn't watch baseball to listen to someone tell me that the batter hit the ball and now the fielder caught the ball. I wanna hear about the potential to turn a double play or the fact that this next batter might bunt. Similarly, I don't need to hear someone tell me what's on my screen in HoN or DotA. Honestly, it's not just Breaky. I think it's some sort of strange coincidence that most of the really energetic and fast talking casters aren't the most knowledgeable casters. I suppose that's why god gave us the cocaster. :P
Keep doing what you do Breaky. Even if people like me and the OP don't care for it plenty of people do and that's all that counts really.
Anchovies
06-30-2010, 01:02 AM
I actually enjoy the play-by-play commentary because most of the time, I'm not fully aware of what's going on in those team fights so it helps to listen to breaky's commentary. I think he's great right now but with time, I'm sure he will mature into a very knowledgeable shoutcaster.
The_Beholder
06-30-2010, 01:12 AM
He'd be a really REALLY great shoutcaster if he'd just stop saying so many things so very wrong.
Every time he starts hollering about something and says it backwards/says a hero was there that wasn't/general idiocy, I wanna cry into a bucket and drink it.
I like breaky, I mean he's obviously not the greatest player or HoN mechanic wizz, but he makes it feel like you're watching a sports replay not a massive nerfest. Even though some of his coverage can be misleading and was sometimes cringeworthy at first, I can't really think of indecisive teamfights or laning as anything other tham "back and forth" anymore, and whenever I see a frenzied blacksmith i curse those stubbly little dwarven legs of his.
He's kinda part of the lore, you know, and all his stock filler nonsense he uses to keep up his rythm has practicaly become part of HoN lingo, and can't be dismissed by any means :D The man is a meme machine, and memes are what makes any tradition. In HoN culture he is right up there with Blacksmith and the KSing Scout. Wait, what's the common word he always misspronounces? Having a brain freeze here, but it's one of those things that make you cringe at first and lol every time you hear them later...
EDIT: ContEnues to farm :D
thrake
06-30-2010, 05:14 AM
Yes. He misses a LOT (since the camerawork is done by him, we don't see it, either), especially since he doesn't seem to watch the Minimap*.
He also has a very low understanding of the game mechanics, leading to a lot of "HE IS DEAD! NO, HE SURVIVES!" and a lot of other strange stuff;
plus thus not being able to point out actually interesting things (ex Testie going Stats over CoA as Chronos), but mostly commentating on blatancies.
Calling him a "subpar" caster seems to be kinda off still, since he DOES have his upsides -
an entertaining voice, and being able to keep track of what he actually focusses on,
plus .. well, there aren't any better people. Stridah used to be a very good caster (but somehow disappeared),
and else there isn't much taking on HonCast/Breaky - GR seems to be ignored completly, and Neva anyways.
So, while I can't understand the 'Breaky-Hype' at all, and do not think he is an exceptional caster,
he seems to be the best we can get for the moment, so I wish he keeps doing it anyways.
*Basic Example: He says "Does he have a Ward? I don't think so!" when one could clearly see the red dot
I'd really like to see pro-players joining him again for "competetive insight" I think it could help a lot.
BreakyCPK
06-30-2010, 06:03 AM
ya i hate that guy
Milkfat
06-30-2010, 06:06 AM
i think hes a bic boi
Grimlock
06-30-2010, 06:07 AM
Breaky's great. Breaky + Tobi Wan = Awesome. Can't wait for more shoutcasts from you two.
Takendown2
06-30-2010, 06:16 AM
I think all of us misses some stuff during the game and these shoutcasters are just like all of us. However having some actual high level players casting along side is much better to watch in my opinion.
I think the best caster combo was Sixy/Carmalizer but i have no idea where they have gone
PinkySoul
06-30-2010, 06:33 AM
Is breaky a pro caster ? No. Is he an experienced one ? No.
DO WE LOVE BREAKY NO MATTER WAT ? Yesh !!!
Breaky was the first caster that I saw casting hon matches, and watching him casting thru the summer scrims to numerous WHP vs 5 finalls.....Im sticking with him.
BillDjango
06-30-2010, 07:53 AM
Is breaky a pro caster ? No. Is he an experienced one ? No.
DO WE LOVE BREAKY NO MATTER WAT ? Yesh !!!
Breaky was the first caster that I saw casting hon matches, and watching him casting thru the summer scrims to numerous WHP vs 5 finalls.....Im sticking with him.
I've asked this before, what is the definition of a professional caster? One would think, its someone who makes a living doing it. If that be the case - Breaky is a professional caster. Experienced? Two events under his belt, over 100 hours of video casted. I'd say he's experienced.
foeffa
06-30-2010, 11:21 AM
Somebody with actual insight should join him. Also, someone that could teach him to stress the right syllables in a sentence and use correct grammar. Other than that, he adds color and it's less boring than watching a replay.
Ohdavelo
06-30-2010, 11:32 AM
i think hes a bic boi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaRP6coOWY8
RAWRitsjello
06-30-2010, 11:34 AM
breakycpk has done more for the community than anyone else on here.
Hater's gonna hate.
I'd love to see a person try to do a podcast on their own and catch every single little detail. If you think he misses something, watch the f*ckin replay yourself and make your own judgement. You watch the Honcast, because majority of people find it entertaining.
So breaky, you are the Jeff Van Gundy & John Madden( i put that in a good way) of commentating, I commend & thank you.
Vulpes
06-30-2010, 11:35 AM
I heard that criticising + giving advice is flaming, hating, and other interesting stuff.
wiLson
06-30-2010, 11:48 AM
the best shoutcaster by far.
the only thing that i dont like is his poor minimap awareness, so we lose a couple of important plays... but he cant be perfect.
so...
gj breaky :D
Claymore
06-30-2010, 01:52 PM
I've asked this before, what is the definition of a professional caster? One would think, its someone who makes a living doing it. If that be the case - Breaky is a professional caster. Experienced? Two events under his belt, over 100 hours of video casted. I'd say he's experienced.
Yet with all that experience he still misses lots of action(very apparent when hes not doing the camera work). He also seems too lack a lot of mechanic and strategic knowledge. I mean Tobi seemed to have a better grasp of the game and he apparently just started casting hon recently. Not to rag on breaky I mean he's got a good voice for casting and seems to have the interest but he really needs to work on his game knowledge. He should also probably work on his stage performance if events are going to be part of his job. He looked completely lost up there during dreamhack compared to his co-caster.
BreakyCPK
06-30-2010, 03:15 PM
To be fair on the comments insisting that I am a newb when it comes to knowledge and mechanics... I relaly think that is an old argument and I have personally come a LONGGGGGG way since the beginning of my casting. Yes, back when I first started and for months I was very newby when it came to knowledge of the game but I have learned soo much over time and I really think it has shown.
Although I am not sitting here suggesting that I am now the god of HoN when it comes to knowledge, I think I know more than enough to get by as a solid shoutcaster and people that keep bringing up the argument that I know little of the game mechanics are just living in the past. Do I still make mistakes? Of course I do and I take that and move on... I am not here to be perfect and no one can be.
As far as the need to pronounce better my wording... I think that is what gives me my unique style and it is what makes it me. That is the biggest thing you learn when being taught about radio broadcasting and sportscasting, to be your self and not try to imitate anyone else. If I go about trying to change how I say certain words then I will just be conforming to something that I am not. If you look back at an array of casters, there are plenty who are AWFUL at talking (bill walton, John Madden) who are considered elite when it comes to what they do.
However as I have always stated, criticism is welcome and it always has been... it is how I have progressed so much and I do appreciate it :).
Also, about the stage performance... it was AFTER 10 hours of casting and we were thrown up without any previous knowledge we were going to be doing that. I even had a dress jacket, but didn't bring it because I thought we were just gonna watch and not cast. Yes, Tobi was much more poised then myself because he actually has some live on camera experience and for me that was my first. Not to make excuses, but just pointing out the situtaion :).
breaky + tobi = i love it
benkofk
06-30-2010, 03:22 PM
my fav guy is the guy who speaks with really elongated words at the start of the honcasts
'aaaaaaaaaaaalrighty then' or something
theoutsider
06-30-2010, 04:23 PM
The only thing (apart from minimap awareness) I hate about Breaky is when he starts nagging about item/skill builds.
Even though Breaky is not as penetrant about skill/item builds as this bad zndr or xndrk or whatever the f*** his name is, it becomes annoying when all you do is keep nagging about it.
The last cast I watched was empr vs MSI, where you wasted so much time flaming a simple Shroud on Arachna, and flaming a Shrunken Head against a super magic heavy damage team (MSI). What is wrong with you?
Its not a bad pickup and it saved (or would have saved if played more defensively) Scandals life a ton of times. A Shroud on Arachna is not for "initiation purposes and will be immediatly countered by wards or dust", its a gank/survivability item, just like Testies famous Portal Key on Arachna. Its not like a Soulstealer who has to run inside the enemies to get his Ult of for maximum damage. Arachna can stay on range.
Stop being all over peoples face when YOU think its the wrong item pickup.
This sounds hurtful, but its a fact: Shoutcasters, except people who come from the pro scene, are lowly. Most of them suck at this game. Only because you think you know the mechanics on paper does not mean you have the right to go on over item/skill builds all of the time.
I remember those fun times where the zndr/whatever kid was raging over Slithers not taking/only taking one points in wards after they have been nerfed/rendered useless.
Just stop it
Seektruth
06-30-2010, 04:33 PM
To be fair on the comments insisting that I am a newb when it comes to knowledge and mechanics... I relaly think that is an old argument and I have personally come a LONGGGGGG way since the beginning of my casting. Yes, back when I first started and for months I was very newby when it came to knowledge of the game but I have learned soo much over time and I really think it has shown.
Although I am not sitting here suggesting that I am now the god of HoN when it comes to knowledge, I think I know more than enough to get by as a solid shoutcaster and people that keep bringing up the argument that I know little of the game mechanics are just living in the past. Do I still make mistakes? Of course I do and I take that and move on... I am not here to be perfect and no one can be.
As far as the need to pronounce better my wording... I think that is what gives me my unique style and it is what makes it me. That is the biggest thing you learn when being taught about radio broadcasting and sportscasting, to be your self and not try to imitate anyone else. If I go about trying to change how I say certain words then I will just be conforming to something that I am not. If you look back at an array of casters, there are plenty who are AWFUL at talking (bill walton, John Madden) who are considered elite when it comes to what they do.
However as I have always stated, criticism is welcome and it always has been... it is how I have progressed so much and I do appreciate it :).
Also, about the stage performance... it was AFTER 10 hours of casting and we were thrown up without any previous knowledge we were going to be doing that. I even had a dress jacket, but didn't bring it because I thought we were just gonna watch and not cast. Yes, Tobi was much more poised then myself because he actually has some live on camera experience and for me that was my first. Not to make excuses, but just pointing out the situtaion :).
Dude breaky, you don't have to explain yourself, a lot of people appreciate that you and honcast even take the time out of your RL to even do so much for HON. It's pretty impressive.
To say the least, I don't think anyone should critique shoutcasting, do you have any experience under your belt? DO you have any acknowledgement that what he studies, goes with honcasting?
Everyone has to start from somewhere, and not everyone is going to have I WANT IT CASTED this way style. I think they do great, and having Tobi now is going to be great. They are honestly, really good together and so is Phil/Xander and Tobi. I like to hear variety, and honast has it.
theoutsider
06-30-2010, 04:39 PM
Right, because when nobody critiques shoutcasting, the Shoutcaster will improve?
Wait.
****.
open4lyfe
06-30-2010, 05:24 PM
breaky for president
netygraph
06-30-2010, 05:52 PM
Two things which annoy are breakys minimap awareness and camera work.
Minimap awareness
Many times breaky has his camera on last hitting mid hero or something. When I look at the minimap I see 2 players fighting on the top lane. I keep staring at it for 10 seconds and still the camera stays on the mid hero and one of the caster is talking boring stuff. Look at da minimap!
Camera work
It's easy to see that you are scrolling the map with middle mouse button. In the dreamhack finals this was slightly distracting because the mouse cursor was enabled, also viewers could see that you also scroll the map by moving the mouse cursor the the edge of the screen. What is the problem then? This kind of scrolling takes a lot of effort and often you are just too tired to move the camera right on the action. Another problem is that with hasty movements in teambattles it becomes very distracting because you are trying to move the view so quickly. Lastly when you middle mouse scroll you often accidentally scroll the mousewheel so the distance tilts a bit.
What is the solution? It's keyboard scrolling with smooth camera enabled! It's effortless, precise and the panning speed is always the same. Simply do this:
cg_camerasmoothing 1
cam_smoothpositionhalflife 0.2 (try different value which fits the best, this command also works with middle mouse scrolling)
from options make sure the scrolling speed is enough
I have no idea how it would look on honcast or whether it fits there at all. All I'm saying it give it a go for couple of videos and see what you and the viewers like of it.
netygraph
06-30-2010, 05:56 PM
Another suggestion for the camera man
I see you are often casting from replays. If there isn't any action going on I think it would be cool to take some close ups from heroes. So hold the camera rotate key and rotate the camera for like 2-5 seconds. Then simply restore it to default with BACKSPACE. You can also make this turning smooth:
cg_camerasmoothing 1
cam_smoothangleshalflife 0.2
Of course you would do this maximum of 0-2 times per game.
Kolapz
06-30-2010, 06:58 PM
This just in: mispronouncing words + using words that don't exist = being yourself
Vulpes
06-30-2010, 08:13 PM
people that keep bringing up the argument that I know little of the game mechanics are just living in the past.
I watch a load of your Shoutcasts, and I am either NOT living in the past, or you hide your knowledge pretty well.
Also, you really really need to work on your minimap awareness. For better camerawork, for missing less action.
It's really frustrating to look at the minimap, see two red blobs move to top lane, you look at CD freefarming mid,
10 seconds later you are still looking at CD freefarming mid and then shout OH AND A KILL TOP! I MUSTVE MISSED THAT!
Idc at all about mispronouncing, making up words on the spot etc as long as everyone gets what you means. But stuff like
- The aforementioned "Does he have a ward? I don't think he does!" when one sees the red dot on the minimap;
- Pestilence running with _at least_ 330 MS away from Creeps (320 MS), getting killed with the comment "I THINK A CREEP GOT HIM"*
- Countless similiar moments (out of Mana 300 MS unit chasing a 310 MS unit and all I hear are excited shouts "WILL HE GET AWAY? YES! BARELY MAKES HIS GETAWAY!")
- And general misjudgement of situations which gets labeled as great play (SR at 15% HP with Ult up vs 30% HP X, "SR IN A LOT OF TROUBLE! OH, HE ULTS! GREAT PLAY BY SR!")
If you know 'so much' about game mechanics, hero stats, situational assessments, etc nowadays, I seem to watch a LOT of outdated shoutcasts (Dreamhack was a year ago, I suppose)
*That wasn't actually you, but it was a very very good move by SR which was dropped off as a sidenote (you corrected your Co-Caster there)
Oh, and don't take that too direct. My style of talking always sounds this aggressive. You know, being myself & stuff 8]
As I said, there seems currently no better one around; I just do not understand the hype around you - and I fear this to influence you to a point,
where you think "Allll these people love me so much, I am a very very good shoutcaster =)) no need to improve anymore" -
as actually pointed out by a lot of people in this thread, who cry at me/others for simply pointing out your mistakes / giving basic critique.
BreakyCPK
06-30-2010, 09:09 PM
No where do I suggest that I know "so much" about the game now, I was simply trying to imply that I have improved drastically since the beginning and I feel that a lot of points that people bring up about my lack of knowledge are from casts from very early on... and as a result give me little to no credit when it comes to knowledge. I do say plenty of things still that might make no sense or show that "I don't know what I am talking about" but I feel I say things that also DO make sense and are insightful... but rather the negatives are the ones that seem to be magnified. Which is the case in all things come to criticism I suppose and I do appreciate it like I said, and I do my best to improve from it. I am not sitting here saying that I need people to suggest that I am very knowledgeable about the game, but more so just expressing my feelings on this matter and hopefully clearing some things up.
As for the lack of map awareness... yes, that is a problem for myself and I do 100% agree I need to work on that. I find myself getting caught up so much of time thinking of what to say next or getting distracted by little things and do miss some bigger things, and I have done my best to work on getting that fixed. When I get the chance to have someone else camera for me no days I also take them up on that for this reason as well.
Galam
07-01-2010, 05:41 AM
Breaky you're a good enough caster. Put any one of these morons that talk crap to do a replay or live cast and you'll see how much they'd fail. :ramp:
ya i hate that guy
I'm just a poor boy, nobody loves me
He's just a poor boy from a poor family, nobody loves him
Mcfatback
07-01-2010, 05:52 AM
breaky has a huge internet penis, wanna edate?
honestly tho hes da best kids just mad
knowitall
07-01-2010, 05:58 AM
Another problem with casting these days (not breaky specifically) is that in shoutcasts with 2 casters, they don't ever mesh well. They do this kind of forced coordination where they ask each other questions constantly like "what do you think about that?" I'd much rather the casts run smoothly like a conversation between friends (see dotacast for better co-casting).
EGNesTea420
07-01-2010, 06:14 AM
Another problem with casting these days (not breaky specifically) is that in shoutcasts with 2 casters, they don't ever mesh well. They do this kind of forced coordination where they ask each other questions constantly like "what do you think about that?" I'd much rather the casts run smoothly like a conversation between friends (see dotacast for better co-casting).
Honestly I found Breaky and Tobi to work together really well together.
netygraph
07-01-2010, 05:47 PM
But stuff like
- The aforementioned "Does he have a ward? I don't think he does!" when one sees the red dot on the minimap;
- Pestilence running with _at least_ 330 MS away from Creeps (320 MS), getting killed with the comment "I THINK A CREEP GOT HIM"*
- Countless similiar moments (out of Mana 300 MS unit chasing a 310 MS unit and all I hear are excited shouts "WILL HE GET AWAY? YES! BARELY MAKES HIS GETAWAY!")
Are you kidding? He's main job is to make stuff sound exciting. I haven't even noticed that stuff myself, not everyone watching honcast is uber pro.
SlayerBoner
07-01-2010, 08:25 PM
Breaky is by far the most entertaining caster I've had the privilige to listen to. I mean, did you guys watch the wednesday funcast (game one) when he was solo casting? Honest to everything I believe in - top3 most entertaining games to watch of all time; and it wasn't even a competetive game!!
I love what you're doing - obviously some people don't understand that you need to think about stuff to say while looking for action on the map. It's much easier to just focus on the map (as some viewers probably do).
tldr; Breaky is awesome, never stop doing what you're doing.
Ashur
07-04-2010, 07:32 PM
He's an awesome shoutcaster and really animates the action, but for the love of humanity I'd love it if you would learn the ins and outs of the game you cast daily a bit more, sometimes comments about strategy make me cringe. Mostly as previously stated map awearness, a lot of kills go down that the camera simply doesn't notice even though it's obvious they've been chasing eachother for like 30 seconds while you read CK/CD for glacius or something along those lines.
I'm not whining, just try to take a quick peak at the minimap every 10 seconds, you will miss a lot less of the action, stats can wait.
But as I said, an enjoyable watch.
Senatic
07-04-2010, 07:39 PM
He's an awesome shoutcaster and really animates the action, but for the love of humanity I'd love it if he would learn the ins and outs of the game he casts daily a bit more, sometimes comments about strategy make me cringe.
But as I said, an enjoyable watch.
Obviously breaky is a colour commentator, making the game sound and feel exciting, as said in the earlier posts in this thread I too feel it would be a good idea to have competitive players with more in depth knowledge shoutcast with breaky. Still even if he gets some stuff wrong sometimes it's ok for me, everyone makes mistakes and I do enjoy listening to him overall.
Keep up the good work breaky!
netygraph
07-05-2010, 06:24 AM
Obviously breaky is a colour commentator, making the game sound and feel exciting, as said in the earlier posts in this thread I too feel it would be a good idea to have competitive players with more in depth knowledge shoutcast with breaky. Still even if he gets some stuff wrong sometimes it's ok for me, everyone makes mistakes and I do enjoy listening to him overall.
Keep up the good work breaky!
I believe color commentator is the guy who is expert at the game and provides insightful comments.
Sl0ws
07-05-2010, 12:40 PM
Am I the only one that thinks that he's a subpar shoutcaster? Anytime I have to listen to him I notice he misses SO many things in games on top of talking annoyingly fast and with a very basic general understanding of what is going on...
Plz do better than him ;). O wait you just want to talk and not try that is subpar ;).
Akavir
07-05-2010, 02:10 PM
Apple Pie Picture's outta focus =/
But regardless, Breaky and Tobi have to be the best casters i've ever heard.
Alventenie
07-05-2010, 02:27 PM
He's an awesome play by play caster, I think if he found someone who knows/plays at a higher level than him (like someone who plays regularly in the high tiers that knows a lot of the little stuff that lower players might not notice) that meshes up nicely with his casting, he could become even better. TBH having a co-caster who can focus on pointing out the detail would make breaky that much better because he could focus on making everything sound really good instead of having to play both sides of the casting trying to be entertaining while watching all the little stuff that happens in the game from item builds all the way to ward placement/chicken usage.
Wayping
07-05-2010, 02:31 PM
I think breaky does a gd job, every time i watch a honcast is enjoyable :D
Btw no ones gunna notice everything reli...
Forfeit
07-05-2010, 02:45 PM
Breaky is exciting to listen to, and does a good job of keeping you interested even in boring farm times.
Yes he misses things, but that's going to happen when there's potential for action in 3 different lanes and he has one 'camera.' Most sports casts involve someone in a booth with a dozen screens deciding which one to go to next, and if any action is missed, there are always replays. Not so in HoN, so missing action is just part of it, learn to deal.
Breaky is a play-by-play guy, and he excels at that. He does a good job of telling you what's going on. The "why?" is not the job of the play-by-play man. He's the Pat Summerall, or Al Michaels of Honcast.
Al Michaels has called everything from the 1980 US Hockey Miracle on Ice game to Monday Night Football (with NBA Playoffs and the World Series thrown in the mix as well). Do you think he is the leading authority on the strategy involved with all 4 of these sports? Hell no.
You will never hear Al Michaels discussing how the NBA's change to a 2-3 zone defense opened up the middle for Michael Jordan, and is one of the reasons his career took off so well. He also won't tell you how a bump-and-run messes up many of the timing focused pass offenses in the NFL. And we don't want him to. That's why we have Mark Jackson, Chris Collinsworth, and Ron Jaworski.
Deductive
07-06-2010, 09:23 AM
Shoutcasters will always miss things especially in a game like hon while there can be a 2 second difference in a gank bottom or a gank top.
Hygao
07-06-2010, 09:52 AM
ya i hate that guy
I lold