View Full Version : Berserk + Cleansing shock
Lethe
08-20-2009, 01:34 AM
Hey all, just wondering what your opinions are of this.
In dota, purge went through alot of buffs/debuffs, but there were some that it did not...one of them was Troll Warlord's Rampage, which is identical to Madman's Berserk skill.
Yet in HoN cleansing shock dispels Berserk in its entirety, severely dropping dps.
What do you guys think about this?
Stab_Wound
08-20-2009, 01:36 AM
Electrician is pretty dominant already, but I still like the fact that it does this =).
Lethe
08-20-2009, 01:39 AM
Electrician is pretty dominant already, but I still like the fact that it does this =).
Not going to lie I was not impressed when I was trying to carry Madman against a 21-6 valkyrie backed up by an electrician. I still won though :D
Forte
08-20-2009, 01:40 AM
Beserk decides alot for madman, it should be kept so that it doesn't get removed imo.
Drasha
08-20-2009, 01:42 AM
Wonder if you could have 2 berserks up with a refresher orb. It worked with defiler until they fixed it.
Lethe
08-20-2009, 01:55 AM
Wonder if you could have 2 berserks up with a refresher orb. It worked with defiler until they fixed it.
I can guarantee you two buffs of the same will never stack. Absolutely never. Even if they did I would never buy refresher orb on madman.
Neways stay on topic plz and ty.
Meowshi
08-20-2009, 02:22 AM
Check this thread out, it's very related to this topic.
http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=12849
I believe that there should be a difference between skills like Berserk, Iron Hide, etc. and spells like Blacksmith's bloodlust.
It just makes sense.
Kitho
08-20-2009, 10:05 AM
Why shouldn't he remove Beserk.. ? ;d The cool down isnt that huge ;p And Madman deserves it !! :O
Hat_Truck
08-20-2009, 10:19 AM
Considering that Sven's Ultimate, Spider's Ultimate, and Troll's Ultimate could be removed in DotA, Bezerk should probably be purgeable.
Colcut
08-20-2009, 10:22 AM
If you remove it so it isnt dispelled, you must change madmans abilities. It at the moment is one of two ways to stop madman.
Tyrando
08-20-2009, 10:30 AM
I prefer it as it is now, being purgable gives Electrician much more place in alot of setups.
Aslong as they dont bring in more heroes with purge...
Lethe
08-20-2009, 11:00 AM
Considering that Sven's Ultimate, Spider's Ultimate, and Troll's Ultimate could be removed in DotA, Bezerk should probably be purgeable.
Troll's ultimate was the exception. If you read my OP you would know it could not be removed by purge.
Brad1
08-20-2009, 11:01 AM
I'm pretty sure that it was an exception cause it was global right?
Lethe
08-20-2009, 11:10 AM
I'm pretty sure that it was an exception cause it was global right?
the old troll ult, before he got revamped. Note how I said their ults were identical. Come on now.
Brad1
08-20-2009, 11:14 AM
My mistake, no need to be rude =\
Lethe
08-20-2009, 11:19 AM
sry if i came off as rude it was not intended.
BureMakutte
08-20-2009, 12:14 PM
Hey all, just wondering what your opinions are of this.
In dota, purge went through alot of buffs/debuffs, but there were some that it did not...one of them was Troll Warlord's Rampage, which is identical to Madman's Berserk skill.
Yet in HoN cleansing shock dispels Berserk in its entirety, severely dropping dps.
What do you guys think about this?
I think the reason Troll's was immune is because his hero was focused around his ult. Madman on the other hand, has a stun and an escape skill which dont make his ult the main focus of his character. All Troll had besides his ult was a miss chance debuff on another character.
Madman's ult should be able to be dispelled.
TreeHorse
08-20-2009, 03:16 PM
I think the reason Troll's was immune is because his hero was focused around his ult. Madman on the other hand, has a stun and an escape skill which dont make his ult the main focus of his character. All Troll had besides his ult was a miss chance debuff on another character.
Madman's ult should be able to be dispelled.
Unless it's on a 15-20 second cooldown like Electrician's Purge... I can't agree with this statement.
I think its awesome. Thanks for the info!
Lethe
08-20-2009, 03:25 PM
:( yea i have to decide which hero I like more QQ. Electrician is easily my favorite ganker aside from Voodoo Jester, but carrying with Madman is imo so fun ^_^
KARTlK
08-20-2009, 07:23 PM
When I'm not playing electrician I always get mad because I can't do a 5 second hard disable. :| Keep it. I <3 him.
Bloodaxe
08-21-2009, 01:26 AM
i think the purge should be kept the way it is, like another poster said, madman is not but all around his ult.. it really helps, but yeah.
Also, you are not going to get hit by it every time in a team fight.... remember he shuts himself down for 5 seconds while controlling someone.
Llama
08-21-2009, 02:32 AM
I think its fine, beserk is available for 30 secs out of 55, over half the time...
Lethe
08-21-2009, 03:20 AM
I think its fine, beserk is available for 30 secs out of 55, over half the time...
well yea but the problem with that is he will purge it off you when you need it the most, a team battle. You could have it on a 20 sec cd for all I care. He would still purge it off and you would be running around with a significant drop in dps for another 20 seconds.