All About Purge

[Tape]

This thread's sole purpose is to provide information on what can and cannot be removed by any forms of purging.


Purges include:


Geometer's Bane
Nullfire Blade
Shrunken Head
Electrician's 'Cleansing Shock'
Arachna's Harden Carapace
Accursed's Fire Shield
Gauntlet's Gauntlet Blast
Jereziah's Charm
Vagabond Assassin's The Assassin's Touch




Queries:


Purgable Debuffs (http://hondiff.appspot.com/query/latest/?query=tag%3D%27state%27+and+effecttype%3D%27Statu sDebuff%27&keywords=effecttype)
Purgable Buffs (http://hondiff.appspot.com/query/latest/?query=tag%3D%27state%27+and+effecttype%3D%27Statu sBuff%27&keywords=effecttype)
Purgable Buffs and Debuffs (http://hondiff.appspot.com/query/latest/?query=tag%3D%27state%27+and+effecttype+in+%28%27S tatusDebuff%27%2C%27StatusBuff%27%29&keywords=effecttype) (single list)
Not Purgable States (http://hondiff.appspot.com/query/3.1.2.0/?query=tag%3D%27state%27%0D%0A!tag%3D%27state%27+a nd+effecttype+in+%28%27StatusBuff%27%2C+%27StatusD ebuff%27%29&keywords=effecttype)

[ElementUser]

You forgot Vagabond Assassin's Purge (named The Assassin's Touch) in the Purge list.

Also, where are you Torturer & Scout toggle-ables? :O And what's BlendTec........

[ElementUser]

Void Talisman can be removed by yourself or by an ally since it is a StatusDebuff. Enemies of the wielder of Void, however, cannot purge off Void Talisman.


Stealth: All forms of stealth in-game are impossible to purge. This includes Assassin's Shroud.Invisibility from the Invisibility Rune can be purged because it's a StatusBuff, not a StatusStealth.

Oh and you also forgot Shrunken Head because Electrician's ultimate can still slow through it but not dispel the state.

[Tape]

Will update in a few minutes.

EDIT: There are alot of things that Electrician's ult slowed through but didn't purge.

I left those out.

[ElementUser]

I still don't see Scout's Vanish/Torturer's Torment :(

Also there are a lot of states like mid-air Flicked by Panda/airtime via Graveyard/Lava Surge/Cannonball that can't be dispelled, so don't know if you want to include those.

Invisibility isn't a Stealth Rune, it's an Invisibility Rune :(

[Hax]

Stealth is unpurgable now? D:

[ElementUser]

Stealth is unpurgable now? D:

It has been for a while, yes

[Hax]

It has been for a while, yes

Lame! :elec:

[LightRain]

I believe you can purge the slow or the dot from Entangle, but you can't purge the stun, and purging at any point once the spell starts (or even becoming magic immune) won't stop the next parts of the spell from affecting you.

[ElementUser]

I believe you can purge the slow or the dot from Entangle, but you can't purge the stun, and purging at any point once the spell starts (or even becoming magic immune) won't stop the next parts of the spell from affecting you.

Erm no, you can't purge any portion of it off since the state_snare has effect type StatusDisable and state_dot has no effect type.

Accursed's ultimate can dispel StatusDisables, but that isn't a purge. :)

[Blackspade]

Are you sure BH's Hemph, can be purged?

[GGreenBass]

You're wrong about stealth.

...I just can't remember what it is exactly. I'm pretty sure Night Hound's ult is silenceble but not purgable, whereas Scout's is purgable but not silencable (once he's already invis), but I may have gotten that in reverse. But I'm pretty sure that's what it is, I've read it on the forums at least twice.

Another edit, I'd be surprised if the stealth thing was updated out, because I definitely have never read anything about it in the patchnotes, and I've been consistent with reading those things since october.

[ElementUser]

Night Hound's ultimate explicitly has a line that says that if Night Hound is silenced, the invisibility state from the ultimate will not apply.

Scout's Vanish has been changed from StatusBuff to StatusStealth in 1 of the patches (don't know when, they might have ninja-changed it) and Purge doesn't dispel StatusStealth.

Proof:


<state
name="State_Scout_Ability1"

icon="icon.tga"
passiveeffect="effects/state.effect"

stealthtype="hero"
fadetime="500"
unitwalking="true"
movespeedmultiplier="0.25"

effecttype="StatusStealth"
>
<oninflict>
<forgetattacks />
<startfade />
</oninflict>

<onattackstart>
<applystate name="State_Scout_Ability1_Attack" target="source_entity" duration="4000" />
<playanim name="strong_attack_1" speed="source_attackspeed" target="source_entity" />
<toggleoff name="Ability_Scout1" />
</onattackstart>

<onattackimpact>
</onattackimpact>

<onactivatepreimpact>
<condition test="not_entity_type Ability_Scout1" target="inflictor_entity" source="inflictor_entity">
<condition test="not_entity_type Ability_Scout2" target="inflictor_entity" source="inflictor_entity">
<condition test="not_entity_type Ability_Scout2_Detonate" target="inflictor_entity" source="inflictor_entity">
<toggleoff name="Ability_Scout1" />
</condition>
</condition>
</condition>
</onactivatepreimpact>

<onexpired>
<toggleoff name="Ability_Scout1" />
</onexpired>
</state>


Are you sure BH's Hemph, can be purged?

It's in the list of things that cannot be purged.

[Tape]

I still don't see Scout's Vanish/Torturer's Torment :(

Also there are a lot of states like mid-air Flicked by Panda/airtime via Graveyard/Lava Surge/Cannonball that can't be dispelled, so don't know if you want to include those.

Invisibility isn't a Stealth Rune, it's an Invisibility Rune :(

I'm not sure what you mean about Vanish and Torment.

What are you implying about those two skills?

Also, I left out the split-second skills that would be sort of impossible to even attempt to purge.

For example, trying to purge Madman's Barrel Roll is sort of ridiculous seeing how it's so fast.

There were a lot of skills that were like that, where they were un-purgeable but it was just so fast that it's ridiculous to even attempt it.

[ElementUser]

Well since you included Devourer's Decay as a toggle........

Scout's Vanish & Torturer's ultimate are also toggles.........and thus should be added to the list since they can't be dispelled via purge.

Also, Devourer's Decay debuff can be purged off since they're StatusDebuffs, might wanna make that clear. Yes of course it's continuous if you're within the affector AoE, but when you're outside it, the debuff can be purged

[Tape]

Well since you included Devourer's Decay as a toggle........

Scout's Vanish & Torturer's ultimate are also toggles.........and thus should be added to the list since they can't be dispelled via purge

I'll add just Torment because Vanish is still a StatusStealth and wouldn't be removable either way.

[avl]

Can purge dispel shrunken head's immunity effect?

For example, carry uses nullfire blade on a target that used shrunken head. Can he dispel shrunken head' immunity?

And following question is.

Accursed used shrunken head and then applied his shield to himself. Does it dispel shrunken head's effect?

Thanks in advance!

[ElementUser]

No, can't target magic immune units with Purge except Jeraziah's Charm.

No, only dispels StatusDebuffs

[gorzerk]

what about brute force of hammerstorm ??

[ElementUser]

It's a StatusBuff

[AdolfSlither]

Nice guide sir!

[urban]

Very nice guide, also if I am not mistaken, Geometer's bane purges yourself. Maybe something to add to the miscellaneous.

[Door]

One thing about the whole stealth-purge thing. You may want to add that Gauntlet's Gauntlet Blast adds a "Revealed" effect in addition to a purge, so if he hits a NH/Scout/Madman with it and they stealth, they'll be revealed for the few seconds that follow. Thought that might be something to note, although it's not in the purge mechanics itself.

[Aerto]

You forgot the Taunt-ability (can not be purged).

GOLD SHIELD ftw

[Tape]

One thing about the whole stealth-purge thing. You may want to add that Gauntlet's Gauntlet Blast adds a "Revealed" effect in addition to a purge, so if he hits a NH/Scout/Madman with it and they stealth, they'll be revealed for the few seconds that follow. Thought that might be something to note, although it's not in the purge mechanics itself.

I left out reveals because they are just a bonus to some purges/spells.

Added Taunt.

[teerzo]

can elder parasite be purged?

[JoOKie]

Yes it can.

[Bergschrund]

is there a side by side comparison vs dota's purge? hon's seems weaker

[AwareBrah]

You can't purge hammers ulti anymore

[WigglyFace]

Don't forget to add Silhouette's ult to purging abilities and check if tree grapple/death lotus/her attack stacks can be purged.

[Thordoor]

what about drunken masters ult and his drunken charges is any of those purgeable?

[MacroHard]

Blood Hunter's Blood Crazy is split into buff/debuff, and each can be purged now.

[Nytemair]

Fairly certain Madman's ult can't be purged anymore, like Hammerstorms.

[BigBoss00]

Kraken's whirlpool and Jereziah's righteous strike no longer exit.

[MacroHard]

Time to tell ElementUser to update this.

[ElementUser]

Ctrl+F Find in Files for "StatusBuff" and "StatusDebuff" should cover it all.

[Nytemair]

Ctrl+F Find in Files for "StatusBuff" and "StatusDebuff" should cover it all.

Glhf! <3

[theli]

Time to tell ElementUser to update this.
Does the following look legit?
Purgable Debuffs (http://hondiff.appspot.com/query/2.5.16.0/?and%20tag=%27state%27%20and%20effecttype=%27Statu sDebuff%27)

Purgable Buffs (http://hondiff.appspot.com/query/2.5.16.0/?and%20tag=%27state%27%20and%20effecttype=%27Statu sBuff%27)

Unset effecttype aka unpurgrable (http://hondiff.appspot.com/query/2.5.16.0/?and%20tag=%27state%27%20and%20effecttype=%27%27)


tbh I never even question on if some states can be purged or not (eg pharao's ult state when dragged(unpurgeable) or well's regen(purgeable))

[theli]

Does the following look legit?
Purgable Debuffs (http://hondiff.appspot.com/query/2.5.16.0/?and%20tag=%27state%27%20and%20effecttype=%27Statu sDebuff%27)

Purgable Buffs (http://hondiff.appspot.com/query/2.5.16.0/?and%20tag=%27state%27%20and%20effecttype=%27Statu sBuff%27)

Unset effecttype aka unpurgrable (http://hondiff.appspot.com/query/2.5.16.0/?and%20tag=%27state%27%20and%20effecttype=%27%27)


tbh I never even question on if some states can be purged or not (eg pharao's ult state when dragged(unpurgeable) or well's regen(purgeable))

mm, this does not look completely legit now
also, OP is missing some purges

eg
here is the list of ALL purges/dispels with their types (http://hondiff.appspot.com/query/3.1.2.0/?query=tag%3D%27dispel%27&keywords=type)
as you can see some purges can also purge StatusStealth, StatusDisable, Transfigure apart from standard Buff/Debuff ....
so unpurgeable states list is not exactly "all unpurgeable states" cause some things may be purged eg by accursed's flame but not with electrician's cleansing shock ...

[TheDust]

LOL Elec's ult is weaker than Accursed's second skill? OP. Buff Elec's ulti.

[theli]

LOL Elec's ult is weaker than Accursed's second skill? OP. Buff Elec's ulti.
I meant Flame Consumption, the ult