Attack Modifiers

[Drasha]

Attack Modifiers feel kind of out of place i don't know why it would be bad to have them stack when they decided to make every thing else stack. Shield breaker is the only attack modifier that any one buys and i fail to see how the minus armor stacking with slithers damage over time would be powerful at all.

[Zejety]

They do stack.

[Osiris]

They do stack.

He's talking about attack modifiers - the things that apply a buff upon attack. Currently they don't stack, but you can switch between different attack modifiers, in case that you have more than one.

[Shugo_akakak]

The wording is a bit confusing in the tooltips. It makes them sound like they stack except for a few. Like some say "attack modifier" and others say "exclusive modifier."

Also it doesn't say in the lifesteal aura item (Vladmir's Offering) that it's melee only.

[gblessbacon]

I was vsing a magebane today who had lifesteal, Maim, and his mana burn.

These all stacked when he was attacking me. His mana burn would drain my mana whilst healing himself and i kept getting slowed by him. Is this intentional? because you definately cannot do this in dota and he was literally unstopable.

Also i encountered something interesting. His lifesteal was HoN equivelent to Satanic and i had barbed armour. When he activated satanic when i had my barbed armour on he took no damage. unless im mistaken i believe it only gives him 40% lifesteal and he was doing around 400-450 damage so 60% of that should at least deal damage to him. Just some things ive noticed whilst playing the game.

Anyone else noticing these issues?

[Tyrando]

I was vsing a magebane today who had lifesteal, Maim, and his mana burn.

These all stacked when he was attacking me. His mana burn would drain my mana whilst healing himself and i kept getting slowed by him. Is this intentional? because you definately cannot do this in dota and he was literally unstopable.

Also i encountered something interesting. His lifesteal was HoN equivelent to Satanic and i had barbed armour. When he activated satanic when i had my barbed armour on he took no damage. unless im mistaken i believe it only gives him 40% lifesteal and he was doing around 400-450 damage so 60% of that should at least deal damage to him. Just some things ive noticed whilst playing the game.

Anyone else noticing these issues?

Did Hon's Satanic not recently get changed to its DotA version of 150% lifesteal for 3.5 seconds if so thats why.

Modifiers stack in HoN i like it, its in no way groundbreaking because that slot in DotA would of been filled with something just as useful or more useful than another orb effect.

It makes heroes like Valk that much more interesting, though they balanced the Images proccing such things as Chain Lightning :P

[Drasha]

If it counts as magic damage then he is not taking much damage at all. Attack modifiers are actually different then what you know as "orb effects" there are 2 kinds of modifiers attack and exclusive every thing magebane had on him was an exclusive modifier and they stack however i feel that Attack modifiers are out of place and should join the ranks of exclusive modifiers.

http://honwiki.net/wiki/Attack_Modifier
http://honwiki.net/wiki/Exclusive_modifier

[gblessbacon]

Awesome thanks for the replys!

I didnt know that satanic got changed to a 150% lifetseal, havent played dota in a very long time. So thats that one sorted.

and if the modifiers are intended to stack then thats cool just means i can get more orbs :D

Thanks for the help guys!

[Trysaeder]

Satanic is a 25% lifesteal unactivated, 175% activated.

[NightCloak]

Slither armor reducer stacks with shieldbreaker if anothre hero has sheildbreaker. But since slithers ability is an "attack modifier" it does not stack with the frost slow or the shieldbreaker if he has it.

I believe if 5 heros have shieldbreakers, you receive all 5 debuffs.

[tidi_kodo]

Wait a second. Make it clear to me: If i have shieldbreaker (desolator) and This hammer (mjollnir) + satanic, i can lifesteal AND lower armor AND proc lighting at the same single attack?!

[Osiris]

Wait a second. Make it clear to me: If i have shieldbreaker (desolator) and This hammer (mjollnir) + satanic, i can lifesteal AND lower armor AND proc lighting at the same single attack?!

Yes, but at the same time, you should ask yourself, if you couldn't have gotten better items for 17120 gold.

[tidi_kodo]

I wouldnt get a satanic for that combo. But deso + mjoll + buriza is preety overpowered combo ...

[Osiris]

I wouldnt get a satanic for that combo. But deso + mjoll + buriza is preety overpowered combo ...

I fail to see the great synergy between deso and mjoll. The lightning deals magical damage which isn't increased by desolator. Also, where is the great synergy between mjoll and buriza? You can't crit a lightning.
Also, orbs and crits did always stack in DotA.

[YunaSummoner]

The reason why orbs didn´t stack in dota was because the wc3 engine didn´t alove it.

[Glorify1]

The reason Deso and Skadi can't stack with eachother is because if they did they're become far too powerful on a carry.

[Drasha]

You can pseudo stack them by switch the effect every other attack to keep them both up so its no like it really matters and how many games do you see frostwolf skull used?

[docterj208]

I think there should be a tool tip saying what "slot" they take like "orb" or "attack modifier" so its easier to see which stacks and which don't.