Chronos's Ultimate and Time Lock (Bash)

[Spinal]

Why we can't bash enemies while they're freezed by Chronos's ult??

I mean, in DotA we have 5 seconds + 1 second from the stun if the time lock happens during his ulti...

Also I dislike the 2 seconds cooldown from his TIME LOCK why we need this cooldown, this is ****ing Chronos and it's a huge nerf from DotA.

[Borrid1]

Agreed, Chronos has been nerfed A LOT, the cooldown from timelock needs to be reduced/removed and the cooldown for rewind needs to go.

He is not a very good late game carry anymore.

[Bonburner]

I agree that we should be able to bash in his ultimate. I do not agree that we should remove the CD on his bash.
Borrid - you are aware that there is no Rewind CD, it is a CD for his animation for Rewind.
He is an awesome late game carry.

[Spinal]

No, Chronos the way he is right now is veeeeeeeeeery weak compared to his DotA counterpart.

I used to play with Faceless Void, it's not the same to play with Chronos, I feel like an Origami, ready to be raped..
While Faceless Void, the enemies flee when see him.

Also the graphics of his chronosphere are very odd, sometimes is hard to see enemies when they're under the chronosphere.

[china]

I feel like an Origami, ready to be raped..


lol.

[Bonburner]

IONO what kind of players you are going against if they just run away from you.

[CKMo]

...i agree...
he's completely nerfed in this game
in dota, a farmed faceless void could carry his team the rest of the game.
chronos can't

[Voiddancer]

faceless void sucked in dota .... then he got nerfed :P

[ElementUser]

Why we can't bash enemies while they're freezed by Chronos's ult??

I mean, in DotA we have 5 seconds + 1 second from the stun if the time lock happens during his ulti...

Also I dislike the 2 seconds cooldown from his TIME LOCK why we need this cooldown, this is ****ing Chronos and it's a huge nerf from DotA.

Why didn't you say so earlier?

!support

[_swEEt]

+1 ive played him many times in dota and carried very well end game aswell. but now it seems even with items liek wingbow hons mask of madness equilivant and toher items steamboot he cant carry at all. and the timelock 2 sec cd is so **** if they wanna nerf him make it like a 1.3 sec cooldown or somethingor 1.2 because that still gives them time to get away. + the bash not procing during and ulti is a nerf. he sucks ahvent seen a chronos own once yet in hon

[Slayn]

yepp, agree

[Animal`]

Chronos is awful.

[Meowshi]

I think the 2 second cooldown on bash is fine, since it's global. It effects all bashes.

However, some compensation should be required. For example.

Chronos can only bash every two seconds. However, Time lock also gives a % chance to do bash's damage, which has no cooldown.

[_swEEt]

I think the 2 second cooldown on bash is fine, since it's global. It effects all bashes.

However, some compensation should be required. For example.

Chronos can only bash every two seconds. However, Time lock also gives a % chance to do bash's damage, which has no cooldown.

or it stuns for longer and does more damage, or they could jsut put it back the way it was

[Zethos]

I read somewhere before, that the CD was meant to stop from being perma bashed.

In terms of ult + bash, I wouldn't mind seeing/being bashed while in the ult... it makes sense.

[Shugo_akakak]

I think the concept of a hard carry hero from DotA was pretty dumb and I like how perma-bashing has been nerfed. There is now more emphasis on team play.

If you buff Chronos, make his ultimate about 1-2 seconds longer and increase the bonus damage on his stun.

[n0_shit]

faceless void sucked in dota .... then he got nerfed :P

this

Edit: Too avoid being flamed by pubstars I'll agree that FV in the right lineup(lots of aoe that could be used during chrono, good babysitter etc) could be devasting, but he's far from hot.

[Tbake]

Yes, I think that Chronos should get a slight buff

[Real_Wolf]

+1

Chronos is rather weak. Void was a fragile early game hero who shined mid-lategame.

Chronos is essentially the same with a slower attack animation, seemingly less damage with steam boots + MoM, a cd on bash and an ulti which doesn't stop many things from being done (towers, some spells, etc).

In dota, once you had treads + MoM you could blink in, hit a few times, MoM, ulti, hit a lot in the seconds of ulti, and usually Kill a soft-ish hero.

In HoN I tried the exact same thing, having had a free farm in my lane so I got th eitems nice and early. Besides the tower hitting me I only managed to damage pyromancer, who had no stat boosting items, to half health

[Maxter1]

I would like to suggest that Chrono's Ulti stops EVERYTHING.

This includes projectiles from outside trying to get inside.

They will "Stack" outside the chrono sphere, and all hit at the same time when chrono sphere disappears/ends.

This will also include stopping spells like Nymphora's Heal blooming during the Chrono Sphere.

This serves both as temporary protection to Chrono.
But after the chrono sphere, those projectile will hit anyway, except for if Chrono blinks away after.

[Bonburner]

Archedgar - people don't check for themselves and assume things.

Chronos is fine now.

[Confessor]

Chronos is by far the worst and most worthless hero in HoN. He relies on autoattack to do all his damage and even when stacked with items he still sucks ass. Compare him to any other agility hero and you get a bad early-game, bad mid-game, mediocre late-game hero that has to farm over 10,000 gold worth of items to be decent. Look at what moonqueen, arachna, or valkyrie can do. Look at scout, night hound, madman and swiftblade. Then look at chronos.

Absolutely AWFUL.

[Spinal]

I see what S2 is trying to balance the game, and in DotA we always have people complaining about Faceless Void's OP and stuff..
But the nerf S2 did just throw Chronos in a bag of trash...

Like in DotA when they nerfed Bristtleback...
Balance YES, Making a hero a complete useless NO

[damancy]

I would like to suggest that Chrono's Ulti stops EVERYTHING.

This includes projectiles from outside trying to get inside.

They will "Stack" outside the chrono sphere, and all hit at the same time when chrono sphere disappears/ends.

This will also include stopping spells like Nymphora's Heal blooming during the Chrono Sphere.

This serves both as temporary protection to Chrono.
But after the chrono sphere, those projectile will hit anyway, except for if Chrono blinks away after.


I actually REALLY REALLY like this suggestion,

Giving chronos temporary protection against all spells and range attacks (or who ever is in it) is really cool idea.


imagine it, in the midst of battle a chronosphear is errected, everyone is trying to attack chronos but since time is stopped inside the chronosphere, nothing goes off, chrono walks in kills some one, then walk out of harms way, just as the chronosphere falls, chronos is no longer there.


OR S2 can take the cheap way out and turn chrono into a STR hero

[willtsay]

wait what is wrong with perma bash o__o

[Spinal]

wait what is wrong with perma bash o__o
Nothing, since to achieve perma bash u needed a Cranium Basher and several other items to increase attackspeed before, I mean, it's not easy to achieve perma-bash.

Icefrog did nerf the item so it does not stack with other bash-based skills/items... This was an indirect nerf for bash-based heroes, now S2 nerfed Chronos even more, same for Pestilence...

They're in my opinion the most boring heroes available in HoN so far... I hope they get a remake or rebalance...

[willtsay]

you can't achieve Pure perma bash anyway.

formula for attacks per second is: (1+IAS)/1.7
since max +IAS is 400%, it turns out at 3 attacks per second.
Stacking that much ias is retarded anyway, as is stacking pure hp or pure armor only :P.

chronos is a bit boring, pestilence is fine imo (fav hero rite there XD)

[Daaadom]

Chronos is very bad at the moment,
it is the fact that in Dota you got a higher chance to proc
the bash or Rewind when you dont proc before.

With other words, if you dont get the bash with the first attack you
get a higher chance to get the bash with the second attack and so on ...

But in HoN it isnt the same ... you got only your 25% per attack ... 8(

I played Chronos last night, and played a very well single lane and get
2 kills and went level 11 very very fast i got my MoM 3 Wraith and my Steamboots very fast .... then get some kills and go straight for the
Wingbow .... BUT .... i wasnt able to carry my team to the win !!!

I got 1 Bash per minute (it doesnt proc ... !!) and Rewind seems to work much more less then
25% ........ !!!!

In Dota Void:
He is a late game carry .... being able to kill nearly everybody in late game
with the right items and that was fine so .... because you got a hard
early-mid ........ but now:

Chronos:
Bad early-mid and with all the nerfs (Bash CD, no bash in Chronosphere) and not stacking proc chance ........ he is in my eyes useless as a carry !

I will not play him again ... !!!

My 2 cents

[Stonedge]

my personal opinion is that an agi melee hero with a cranium basher is SCORES ahead of chronos. I know that icefrog made a good move (in DotA mind you) to leave the realm of permabash, but then there you eliminate everything that made FV (now chronos) a decent character. make the cd 1.5 seconds so its not "permanent;" but honestly an entire second of no bash is enough for someone to stun him, blink away or just run. He's not useless, but like I said he's being compared with any atsp hero that can equip a basher and he's not lookin hot in that comparison. Thoughts?

[Daaadom]

Madman with Basher is much more Powerfull !!!!

[porpor]

gg u all suck chronos is good l2p

[Disgaea]

I wouldnt mind losing the bash lock if there was any other way to play this character, a one trick pony who cant pull off its trick is pretty lame

[Daaadom]

My word, and anybody saying Chronos is good as he is at the moment, should play a few more games ....

[Knee]

Chronos is my main and I approve of this topic completely. He really does need to be buffed up. Also the 2 second CD on his stun is too long. It's a shame that he is so bad at the moment

[vontrev]

Chronos is one of my mains. He definately is nerfed but his use in teambattles is unparrelel i wait for the other team to stack up enough to fit them in my sphere then i have magmus ulti portal key into it and that alone wrecks the other team. i mean sure hes terrible otherwise. im totally for this buff tho +1 from me.

[Travakh]

IIRC S2 was commenting on how they were going to re-implement pseudorandom rolls for bash heroes and remove the CD on their native bash.

Don't quote me on that, though, but Chronos qq threads have been circulating forever

[ImpBloody]

faceless void sucked in dota .... then he got nerfed :P

You must have really sucked at DotA if you think that faceless void sucks..., or is this just some kind of joke.

[Kien2]

Oh and don't forget than chrono in dota GAVE VISION IN IT

[willtsay]

imo give back bash lock, if S2 really hates that soo much for some reason, then give him a 1.5 sec cooldown, but allow for him to do bash damage while the CD is in place.

:basically the devs should do one of the following, ranked from err preference :P
1.Remove the CD.
2.Reduce the CD, But allow him to deal bash damage while the CD is in place.
3. Allow him to deal Bash Damage while the 2 second cd is occuring.

[Satrofu]

I think he was fine in dota, there should not be a 2 seconds cool down for Chronos and Pestilence as well.

[Spinal]

Let's hope S2 look up for our threads because, every game I play if I see something that is unbalanced, glitched and whatever I came here to see if it has a topic about it, and if no I start one..

Bring old Faceless Void back, and don't get this as a fan-cry, but the way he is right now is just nearly to useless...

Dota's Void is OP
HoN's Chronos is crappy

[Orcheon]

I think the damage from bash should still go off, but the stun should remain on a cooldown of 2 seconds.

[Spinal]

Dota's Void is OP
HoN's Chronos is crappy
Dota's Void is far from OP..
In DotA if you farm well, do not die and do your job nothing wrong in Void become strong. Far from OP it's just a reward for your work.

Just like Madman is right now, farm well, do not die and probably you will succede.

And that's not a matter of OP or not, when I play against Madman I, or one of my team-mates chose some counter (like Arachna or Pestilence) for it and he is under our control and never gets strong enought to owns us. Do the same against DotA's Void and he is controled and never gets strong too.

People just do not know how to play against some heroes.