Magmus nefred to hard?

[Spawn10459]

Im sorry but now Mag does the lost dam per hit compared to all the other STr heros. The amount of helth per 1 str is crap. 1str = about 2 hp. Wtf is that about.

I understadn his damage was a little to high. so you nerf him 30 points.. Are you ****ing kidding me? 10 to 15 points would have been fine.

armor nerf hurts also. Some how i feel like you people nerfed his mana per level also. i cant use stun and ult or ult then stun because i run out of mana. how the **** are people suposed to even consider playing this hero any more.

He needs a freaking buff. This is bull ****.

[EightyEight]

If you are running out of mana to use his Stun+Ult or even Blink+Ult+Stun you are using a inferior Magmus item build and probably trying to use him to melee damage people for a kill.

x2 Bracers should be a staple as it gives you the added survivability + mana to use your combo.

Enhanced marchers, and portal key should then make up the core of your items and you should play him as a support character that can initiate combat.

[Tyrando]

Cry me a River.

No seriously magmus is still stronger than SK but only in Earlygame due to his stun not scaling at just sitting there at its max of 2.12.

[PheeSquared]

Magmus is still good, the only hero he can't ****ing touch is JEREZIAH. That bastard has Infinite Magic Immunity, seriously. Nerf his damn Magic Immunity already, the damn hero can't be killed by anyone except for a high damage melee or ranged.

[Rullstol]

Magmus is still good, the only hero he can't ****ing touch is JEREZIAH. That bastard has Infinite Magic Immunity, seriously. Nerf his damn Magic Immunity already, the damn hero can't be killed by anyone except for a high damage melee or ranged.

l2p. Purge the **** outta him.

[EDOCSlicer]

Magmus Has extremely high utility, Aoe Stun/Nuke that doubles as escape and initiation, some of the best farming skills, and an ult that is.. we know what the ult can do- He needs to start out a bit frail or we'd be back where we were before they fixed him a couple days ago. He's still better than SK and SK is regularly used in very high lvl dota matches-

[Gastofire]

Im sorry but now Mag does the lost dam per hit compared to all the other STr heros. The amount of helth per 1 str is crap. 1str = about 2 hp. Wtf is that about.

I understadn his damage was a little to high. so you nerf him 30 points.. Are you ****ing kidding me? 10 to 15 points would have been fine.

armor nerf hurts also. Some how i feel like you people nerfed his mana per level also. i cant use stun and ult or ult then stun because i run out of mana. how the **** are people suposed to even consider playing this hero any more.

He needs a freaking buff. This is bull ****.
Even without any +int anything, at level 6 11 and 16 you have enough mana to do a stun/ult combo from full mana. I know this from experience at level 6, and tested it for the other levels. His armour nerf was kinda vicious, he's squishy early game, but that isnt a big deal if you can lane properly with him, by level 10 you're back to magmus form, albeit slightly weaker than before, which as we all know was needed. Late game he is still a dominance when the two groups collide, a bkb prior to you stunning and ulting will prevent alot of headache for yourself and produce it, instead, in your opponents.

[Madlax27]

He's still better than SK and SK is regularly used in very high lvl dota matches-

This is the most important thing. Sand King is a popular hero in Dota, Magmus is still better than Sand King. Therefore, Magmus is not nerfed too hard.

[zazen]

Still a top pick, just like SK in DOTA. Nerfs were just fine. Still don't know why S2 had the brilliant idea to put him in the game with a super buffed ult in the first place.

[KorbenDallas]

I'm not seeing any pointed reasons as to why Magmus is "better" than SK.

[Merc117]

They shouldn't have nerfed magnus's stats that much. Whats really imba is his ulti delay; I think its 1 sec, its far too short for anyone to try and cancel it.

[AtoDfoDoG]

They shouldn't have nerfed magnus's stats that much. Whats really imba is his ulti delay; I think its 1 sec, its far too short for anyone to try and cancel it.
^ This.

[Madlax27]

To be honest Sand King was a perfectly useful and well-balanced hero in DOTA.

They gave Magmus all the abilities of sand king, I'm surprised they didn't just copy and paste the balancing. Like the above poster said just make the stun/ult times and such the same as sand king and put the stats back to normal.

No reason to fix what wasn't broken.

[endo]

magmus is now an exact copy.

of one of the best heroes in dota.

no hes not bad.

[Drunken_Jedi]

When I first read that thread title, I thought it was sacrastic.

Those nerfs to Magmus were only so big because Magmus had accidentally been given too much damage and armour. S2 was merely fixing that error.

Magmus is still a significantly stronger version of Sand King, who has been a popular pick in DotA for a very long time. If you port a hero that is strong, but very stable in terms of balance, then every slight buff can make the hero gamebreakingly overpowered, and lava surge is significantly stronger than Burrow Strike on it's own and much stronger in combination with the ultimate.

In short: Magmus must be nerfed ASAP, just make Lava Surge function exactly like Burrow Strike and the hero should be fine.

[Hyzhenhok]

When I first read that thread title, I thought it was sacrastic.

Those nerfs to Magmus were only so big because Magmus had accidentally been given too much damage and armour. S2 was merely fixing that error.

Magmus is still a significantly stronger version of Sand King, who has been a popular pick in DotA for a very long time. If you port a hero that is strong, but very stable in terms of balance, then every slight buff can make the hero gamebreakingly overpowered, and lava surge is significantly stronger than Burrow Strike on it's own and much stronger in combination with the ultimate.

In short: Magmus must be nerfed ASAP, just make Lava Surge function exactly like Burrow Strike and the hero should be fine.

From the 1.36 patch notes:


- Magmus now takes 0.5 seconds to recover from Lava Surge (matches Sand King's functionality)

Done and done.

[willtsay]

dude guys, magmus is too crappy, he doesn't have sandstorm anymore...

you can't turn it on and shout :
DARUDE, SANDSTORM.
SK lost so much utility there, CHANGE PLX.

[Adrian2]

You don't like Magmus? Go Jereziah and get lots of HP/MP/Damage. He's hard to scratch at that point (late game), but Magmus (even well-fed) is useless against him.

[Blockk]

I'm not seeing any pointed reasons as to why Magmus is "better" than SK.

atm, it is impossible to stop his ult from casting if you get stunned, even if you are a disabler. at least it will be fixed soon

[xxzxcuzx_me]

Rage harder pls

[Gastofire]

They shouldn't have nerfed magnus's stats that much. Whats really imba is his ulti delay; I think its 1 sec, its far too short for anyone to try and cancel it.
Far too short, if you have a BKB, otherwise its ridiculously easy to interrupt, atleast from my experience. I cant tell you the number of times while using, or playing against, I've seen the ult interrupted. Legionnaire's taunt, nighthound's smoke bomb, any stun in the book will break the channel and there, you dont have to deal with it for another ~ two minutes. It's really easy to spot, and the only way you can't counter it is if Magmus pops his ult then steam rushes in, otherwise it's definitely counterable.

[Drunken_Jedi]

From the 1.36 patch notes:


- Magmus now takes 0.5 seconds to recover from Lava Surge (matches Sand King's functionality)

Done and done.
It's a step in the right direction, but it's still not quite the same as burrowstrike since getting hit with burrowstrike makes you go up in the air for about .5 seconds where you are invincible.
This is however a relatively minor issue, so Magmus should be mostly fine right now.

[Magissia]

Magmus is fine now

[Tritone]

They shouldn't have nerfed magnus's stats that much. Whats really imba is his ulti delay; I think its 1 sec, its far too short for anyone to try and cancel it.

^ If you get hit by his stun even with the added "recovery time" a queue'd Behemoth stun or Defiler silence still does not go off in time to interrupt the ult.

The cast time is fine in my opinion but the recovery after his stun needs to be longer.

And his stats and damage are fine since they're in line with similar strength/spell heroes like Behemoth.

[Tafelpoot]

does his ulti follow him in dota too? now u can walk with magmus and the pulses follow you

[Tyrando]

does his ulti follow him in dota too? now u can walk with magmus and the pulses follow you

Thats the idea, which is why most Magmus players buy a Portal Key.

[krucifix]

l2p. Purge the **** outta him.

The correct answer is l2p. Explaining obvious things like that to people is silly. :)

[Dreadlord]

Im sorry but now Mag does the lost dam per hit compared to all the other STr heros. The amount of helth per 1 str is crap. 1str = about 2 hp. Wtf is that about.

I understadn his damage was a little to high. so you nerf him 30 points.. Are you ****ing kidding me? 10 to 15 points would have been fine.

armor nerf hurts also. Some how i feel like you people nerfed his mana per level also. i cant use stun and ult or ult then stun because i run out of mana. how the **** are people suposed to even consider playing this hero any more.

He needs a freaking buff. This is bull ****.

You are crazy, Magmus needs more nerfing on ulti and impale - less on other stuff.

[WonderChef]

Magmus = Fine

[Juergel]

I don't think that his early game is a problem since magmus should take a strong duallane like pyromancer/magmus which was very famous in dota.