Honcast Tournament Series (May 2 - June 23, 2010)

[HunteR_]

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[STARTING NEXT SUNDAY, MAY 2nd, 2010]

It's been an amazing journey here for all of us in the rapid growth of Heroes of Newerth as an eSport, and the now 100,000 strong viewers a month have shown that this game has an amazing spectator value. With that said, eSport Media / HONCAST is proud to present, sponsored by S2 Games, the first round of our eight week HoN Tournament Series.

Honcast is bringing back the 5v5 action with honcasted matches every week. Every Sunday a winner will be determined by the outcome of each qualifying round and guaranteed a spot in the HONCAST $1000 Tournament Series Finals sponsored by S2 Games. The winning teams from each week of qualifiers will also get some sweet swag (prizes) from S2 Games. Once a team wins their spot in the Top 8 Finals, they are sitting pretty and the rest must battle it out until the Top 8 are determined by one way only... Winning it all.


[STARTING NEXT SUNDAY, MAY 2nd, 2010] The tournament spots for each week are first come, first serve, so don't delay signing up for the weekly qualifiers. We will be seeding the tournament using the HONCAST community rankings, if your team is not on the rankings you will be randomly seeded below the recognized teams from rankings. The tournament will take place each Sunday at 12:00 Pacific Standard Time (PST) / 19:00 GMT.


Each week, bracket is limited to 16 seeds, and the final will be a 8 team bracket of the finalists. Rounds are sing elimination (1 match) and the finals will be Best out of 3 (BO3).


Honcast has taken our tournament and bracket system to the next level. Our bracket system is programmed with the functionality to coincide with our Video on Demand. That means that you'll be able to click straight from the bracket to watch a certain match between teams on the bracket if a Honcast was done of the round. Matches that were honcasted are denoted by the green filled background, matches that were not honcasted remain with a black background.

On top of all of this, we have our soon to be released HONCAST Ranking, which will feature both the Honcast community rankings, as well as the Honcast Tournament Ranking, which monitors team's performances in the Honcast tournaments.

Prizes:
Weekly Winner: Swag Prizes for Team (To be determined by S2 Games)
1st Place: $600 Cash
2nd Place: $300 Cash
3rd Place: $100 Cash

(Prizes must be accepted in form of paypal or check, full amount will be sent to one location)


If you are a skilled player you should also be a quality player.
Your #1 rule will be: Manners and Sportsmanship. Remember these 2 words at all times.

Behavior
English should always be used when you are around players that do not speak the same language as you.
Disrespect, flaming and/or racism will not be allowed.
When you explain or discuss an issue be polite, anything you want to say can be said in a respectful manner.

Game Rules

-Be a good sportsman and have fun playing competitively.

-Backdooring outer towers is allowed. (Outer towers are OUTSIDE of the base)

-Entering the oppositions base without a creep wave is NOT allowed (You must enter opponents base with creep support)

-Blocking creeps in the base with Behemoth's Fissure is not allowed

-Item drop is not enabled

-No glitching out of the map

-No ledge glitching Kongor (like abusing slither wards to kill Kongor or pulling him to tower)

-Abuse of any bug, or glitch is considered illegal.

-No pooling items (Including bottle) : You are allowed to share bottle in lane, you cannot give it to another hero with the intention for use for a long period of time.

-No using players that are NOT on the roster. If you are found using a ringer you are disqualified from the tournament.




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Good Luck

[Phelann]

I'm confused, is this scheduled at the same time as gamereplays tournaments?

[BadaBing]

I'm confused, is this scheduled at the same time as gamereplays tournaments?

Interesting.

[LokoLoko]

I'm confused, is this scheduled at the same time as gamereplays tournaments?

and let the war begin? not healthy..

[nYn]

fail, dont compete with gamereplays.. the more tournaments that stay around the better

[VeNuM]

Have to agree.

Seems unhealthy

[HunteR_]

They have a 1v1 tourney, this is a 5v5 guys. It's the only time that works for our casters to get the matches done, and most of the players we talked too!

Good luck to the teams.

[Puzzles1]

Honcast is a much more professional team with much better shoutcasters, a far superior video delivery system, and much less drama/ego issues than GR. A good move by S2Games in switching their allegiance to the clear winner here.

[bleek]

So now teams have to choose between honcast and gr? Unless all the top teams choose one over the other won't both tournies be a joke?

[HunteR_]

... Don't start that stuff please.

S2 supports the HoN competitive community as a whole. Growth of HoN as an eSport is important to S2, and this is just another step in taking it to the next level.

Video for tournament coming soon!

[BadaBing]

Agreed. This is a super wack move.

You have the chance to bring more money to the top teams and expand the competitive community. Instead you choose to directly attack your only other competitor, which only will harm the community.

Wack move, but I can't say that I'm surprised that Hunter is the one pulling it off.

[bleek]

Actually honcast started it. Do you really plan on taking hon to the next level by competing with other tournaments when there are so few to begin with?

[Phelann]

I don't see how this helps hon as an esport. You really aren't adding anything to the competitive scene if you are also subtracting something at the same time. This can't possibly coexist well with the gamereplays tourney, so its going to be one or the other. Gamereplays already has a weekly sunday tournament; honcast needs to provide something new if you actually want to help hon as an esport as whole, instead of honcast itself as a website.

[Snoopy]

They have a 1v1 tourney, this is a 5v5 guys. It's the only time that works for our casters to get the matches done, and most of the players we talked too!

Good luck to the teams.
We have a 1v1 tourny to take a break from our season 1, I believe Season 2 is starting soon :D
And your tournament will be an eight week tourny. I highly believe that our second season will be started by then.

-No pooling items (Including bottle) : You are allowed to share bottle in lane, you cannot give it to another hero with the intention for use for a long period of time.
Does this mean no bottle swapping for runes?

[theoutsider]

Don't tell me you guys didn't expect that once HunteR_ gets a chance to kick out a rival he will do it no matter what, no matter how bad it is for the competitive community.

Prime example that he gives a **** about both competition and the community and only works for his own profit.

[Penance]

There is way too much whining in here.
Do you really want to play a tournament all day on a Saturday? I mean I know most of you have no social life but there is still better things to do with your time.
Not everyone can (or wants to) do a tournament on a weekday either. People have school and work. Just because a few of you still live in your mothers house doesn't mean everyone does.
Honcast can pick whatever time they want. If you don't like it, don't play in it, more for the rest of us.

[Milks]

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that most of you don't understand competition. It's typically good for things when there are options to consider. Moreover, S2 has allocated these funds to Honcast for their tournament, what will GameReplays do? Will S2 give them another grand to run a tournament? There are no real leagues set up in HoN at the moment, and therefore no reason to be "loyal" to any organization because any SMART team is going to play where the money is. Sure you can get to tournaments like ESL and Cybergamer and play against a few of the top teams here and there and maybe win a small prize. But if you're going to try and play for money you're going to where its at.

I don't see this as a problem as long as GameReplays doesnt offer up $1k of their own or more. The teams will compete in whichever tournament offers the highest prize amount.

Another note is that while I may not agree with what Hunter says and does sometimes, I think that GR's staff is even worse. Aside from 1 or 2 guys over there they have nothing but a bunch of unprofessional kids casting and spectating games. At least with Honcast we get to hear breaky, phil, xander and others who don't prioritize giving shoutouts, swearing over their streams, or straight up insulting players ahead of calling the game as it happens.

While GR definitely had the headstart on competitive HoN, my money is on Honcast's staff (read not Jeff Hunter) providing an excellent tournament and professional coverage.

[bleek]

There is way too much whining in here.
Do you really want to play a tournament all day on a Saturday? I mean I know most of you have no social life but there is still better things to do with your time.
Not everyone can (or wants to) do a tournament on a weekday either. People have school and work. Just because a few of you still live in your mothers house doesn't mean everyone does.
Honcast can pick whatever time they want. If you don't like it, don't play in it, more for the rest of us.
All i'm saying is honcast needs to pays some respect to gamereplays for what they have done for competitive hon instead of making their own tournament on the same day.

[tabako]

When is the first of these tournaments? Tomorrow?

If I'm understanding correctly, it says that the winners of the eight weekly tournaments will play in the championship (and all the cash prizes are awarded in the final tournament). Does this mean that once a team has won a weekly tournament they are no longer able to participate?

[HunteR_]

Guys, we're exclusive coverage partners with the Neva Digital for the Neva HoN Series, that is on Saturdays. ECO-League takes up a lot of the honcast weekdays, the only day we don't have exclusive coverage of an event that our staff is available is on Sunday. It's strictly what time works for us, and what is available.

Our Saturdays are full with Neva, our weekdays are full with other tournament coverage for our partners, (especially with the new podcast series we're launching with GamerofSorts founder Keiri) and Sundays works for us since we don't have any exclusive coverage of any tournament on Sundays.

It's just how it works guys.

Again, good luck to the contestants.

Start's next Sunday, I'll update with Date, sorry! May 2nd, 2010

[Phelann]

I don't think many will argue with the statement that honcast will probably do a great job; the argument is whether or not its good for the game as a whole to have one tournament basically kill the other off. Forcing the two organizations to compete with prize pools seems a bit silly.

Either way, someone is going to come out on top and someone is going to lose. When instead we could have had honcast offer something different that didn't compete with gamereplays and enrich the competitive scene a whole, they seem to be taking an easy way out by just directly competing with gamereplays.


Guys, we're exclusive coverage partners with the Neva Digital for the Neva HoN Series, that is on Saturdays. ECO-League takes up a lot of the honcast weekdays, the only day we don't have exclusive coverage of an event that our staff is available is on Sunday. It's strictly what time works for us, and what is available.

Our Saturdays are full with Neva, our weekdays are full with other tournament coverage for our partners, (especially with the new podcast series we're launching with GamerofSorts founder Keiri) and Sundays works for us since we don't have any exclusive coverage of any tournament on Sundays.

It's just how it works guys.

Again, good luck to the contestants.

I don't quite understand why you need exclusive coverage of an event 7 days of the week.

[Vievi]

I don't quite understand why you need exclusive coverage of an event 7 days of the week.

To be blunt, it makes great business sense. :)

[HunteR_]

Great, new, and exclusive content, every day of the week, that's our goal! :)

eSport Media Inc.'s model for all of our sites is to provide exclusive coverage of events and be the center of all things eSport for every game we cover with new content every day.

[Phelann]

That makes it sound like you are intentially trying to shut out gamereplays from the majority of hon competitive content.

[tabako]

Can you clarify the other question I had? i.e, Am I correct in thinking that the weekly winners get autoinvited to the championship (as opposed to a point system a la GR's weekly tournaments)?

[Vievi]

That makes it sound like you are intentially trying to shut out gamereplays from the majority of hon competitive content.

I can't speak for Jeff, but firstly - business is business. Secondly, he's made his point as for why this is being ran on a Sunday. They can't run it on a Saturday due to their partnership with us, they can't run it on a weekday as that will severely limit players, the only day left that they don't have an event that they, as a business cover? Sunday.

[tabako]

Also, people need to stop crying about competition. Competition breeds quality. With no competition, there is no incentive for a company to put out a good product.

[theoutsider]

If you can't beat a site by stealing their replays (probably without asking) and showing them on your site, nor can beat it with same time coverage (Invitational first and second round 400 viewers vs 900), you have to pull the business man out of your pockets and try to beat them with money.
Well played, HunteR_.

[BreakyCPK]

Just to add my two cents on the situation here...

Yes it is true, our new tournament will be at the same time slot as the Gamereplays Tournament and it is for very good reason. Simply put, it was the best slot that worked for our casters and staff and Sunday afternoon is THE most active time for Heroes of Newerth as not only shown by the numbers of players online but by the successful Gamereplay Tournaments as well. It is the ONE slot during the whole week that seems to work for nearly every team if not every team out there and we do not see any reason why it should just be exclusive to Gamereplays.

Do we respect Gamereplays and what they have done for the community especially when it comes to running their tournaments? Of course we do and we have stated that time and time again in the past. However Their first season just ended and they are now on a break and with S2 sponsoring our tournament now with $1,000 it is our turn to come in and see what we can do with the time slot. So that is how I really look at it and I think it makes sense, where they had there time with the slot however it is now our chance to prove what we can do in terms of hosting a successful tournament. Is there a chance they will still move on and continue to choose the same slot with their next season? Of course there is and depending on what kind of prize pool they can come up with will determine which tournament is chosen by select teams.

But as for now, we had an opportunity to step in and show what we can do with running our own tournament (which btw has been a very popular demand) and we hope to capitalize the best we can!

Really looking forward on getting this kicked off and excited to see what we can do with it (btw really love our new tournament section :) ! )

[chu]

hold on guys let me get my popcorn

[Shatnerr]

Some of you really know how to take a situation and twist it so tight that it makes Hunter_ look like he's the devil reincarnate.

-No ledge glitching Kongor (like abusing slither wards to kill Kongor or pulling him to tower)

after patch rly hard abuse kongor with 100% miss QQ

[HunteR_]

Can you clarify the other question I had? i.e, Am I correct in thinking that the weekly winners get autoinvited to the championship (as opposed to a point system a la GR's weekly tournaments)?

Winners are auto-invited, yes.

No weekly point system.

You win the week, you're in the finals.

Period.

! AnyFormalin, Better safe than sorry. New Heroes, New patches, want to make sure people don't abuse kongor if there's a way.

[HunteR_]

Tournament is Full.

Thanks guys.

Record time, 2hours 24 teams signed up.

[Calneon]

So, say LOAD wins the first week's tournament, they are now in the finals and can't compete in the rest of your weekly tournaments? That means that the later tournaments in the season will have none of the top tier teams, making for fewer top tier vods.

Also, if a team wins the 3rd or 4th tournament, that means they can either do nothing for the rest of the season or play in GR tournaments when they have no chance of getting into the invitational.

I thought you always wanted the best for the community Hunter, this seems like it's going to split up teams, some are going to join the GR tourney and some your new one, making each tournament weaker.

[Milkfat]

Yo I know a lot of you are worried you won't be able to cheer on clan milk in GR and this honcast tourney but have no fear we plan on aceing this the first time then crushing gr the next 7 weeks. Viva milk

[Calneon]

Yo I know a lot of you are worried you won't be able to cheer on clan milk in GR and this honcast tourney but have no fear we plan on aceing this the first time then crushing gr the next 7 weeks. Viva milk
We wish you the best of luck :).

[Schatzi]

honCAST vs. gameREPLAYS

[BreakyCPK]

So, say LOAD wins the first week's tournament, they are now in the finals and can't compete in the rest of your weekly tournaments? That means that the later tournaments in the season will have none of the top tier teams, making for fewer top tier vods.

Also, if a team wins the 3rd or 4th tournament, that means they can either do nothing for the rest of the season or play in GR tournaments when they have no chance of getting into the invitational.

I thought you always wanted the best for the community Hunter, this seems like it's going to split up teams, some are going to join the GR tourney and some your new one, making each tournament weaker.

Actually it is the same format as the Neva tournament... and to suggest that there will be no top tier vods come the last week of the tournament I disagree with to an extent. Sure, it means that the best of the best teams (LOAD, five) will already have secured a spot and not be in, however there are PLENTY of other teams out there who are constantly jumping on to the scene and looking for an opportunity. I think it is very safe to say that there are more than eight teams out there worth watching, which if that is the case then this format works fine. If anything, it makes each tournament time in and time out that much more important for the competitor since its a do or die type format.

It is different and yes at first glance it might seem like not to make for quality later games, but I think we will just have to wait and see how things play out :)

[tabako]

Tournament is Full.

Thanks guys.

Record time, 2hours 24 teams signed up.

Its limited to 24 teams for the whole series? How are you deciding which 16 get to play on a given Sunday?

[Schatzi]

Are you ready to RUMBLE...! I can't wait for the tournament to start :)

[Calneon]

Its limited to 24 teams for the whole series? How are you deciding which 16 get to play on a given Sunday?
I assume there is a different sign up period for each weekly tournament :)

[tabako]

If that were the case, signups should of stopped at 16

[BreakyCPK]

If that were the case, signups should of stopped at 16

I think his point was that it filled up so fast that more teams got on than needed... so we will have to sort through and only select the first 16. Each week should have its own individual sign up phase... but I will check with jeff to see if this is 100% correct

[Anchovies]

So, say LOAD wins the first week's tournament, they are now in the finals and can't compete in the rest of your weekly tournaments? That means that the later tournaments in the season will have none of the top tier teams, making for fewer top tier vods.

Also, if a team wins the 3rd or 4th tournament, that means they can either do nothing for the rest of the season or play in GR tournaments when they have no chance of getting into the invitational.

I thought you always wanted the best for the community Hunter, this seems like it's going to split up teams, some are going to join the GR tourney and some your new one, making each tournament weaker.

From GR's perspective, I thought you guys would be happy that Honcast have chosen to go with this type of tournament structure? A top team only needs to win in one weekly round of Honcast and then they can go and play in your tournament until the Honcast finals rolls around.

[chu]

From GR's perspective, I thought you guys would be happy that Honcast have chosen to go with this type of tournament structure? A top team only needs to win in one weekly round of Honcast and then they can go and play in your tournament until the Honcast finals rolls around.

GR is just tackling hunter, though ya I do agree that one was really weak. Come on GR you can do better than that

[knowitall]

I think his point was that it filled up so fast that more teams got on than needed... so we will have to sort through and only select the first 16. Each week should have its own individual sign up phase... but I will check with jeff to see if this is 100% correct

I hope so. I want to enter into the last one for an ez victory lap.

[Kolapz]

Gogo GR 2000$ prize pool. :smile:

[Snoopy]

GR is just tackling hunter, though ya I do agree that one was really weak. Come on GR you can do better than that

I hope this tournament pushes competitive HoN in a more popular light. Good luck with your tourny guys :)

I look forward to the coverage

[chapy]

GR is just tackling hunter, though ya I do agree that one was really weak. Come on GR you can do better than that
Has GR even responded harshly, or are you tackling them? All I see are valid concerns thus far.

I personally think this is a good sign from a players standpoint, more competitions, more prizing etc.

[Dobobobo]

Its great to see another tournament in the HoN competitive scene. I felt the same way everyone does about having two tournaments on the same day that both high tier teams want to compete for. In my opinion they should do this.

Honcast has this one win and your in to the championship thingy, while GR has a point system. Lets say some teams go to the honcast tournament for that week and are unable to win points for the GR tournament. GR should set up there tournament so that if your win you are in invitation aswell. But doing this would mean if one team won each tournament in back to back week's they wouldnt have anything to do. Solution? Have it so after you win the GR you are in, But you can compete in tournaments the week after to keep gaining points to upgrade your rank for the invitation. And then for the Honcast tournament you win and then your in the grand final. So lets say Clan clan wins the GR tournament the first week, they can enter the Honcast tournament the next week without losing any points which might cost them the GR invitation spot. Then when ClanClan wins the Honcast tournament for there invitation, they can enter the GR tournaments for a higher ranking. But what if they make it to the finals again the in GR tournament? then the team they are playing should recieve the place for the invitation.

This is all IMO and I dont think GR would run there tournament like this.

[WaRDeN]

at least in this tournament we don't have to waste every fuking sunday playing, i MUCH prefer the 1 win guarantee system

It's been extraordinarily difficult to schedule tournaments around gamereplays, since you pretty much can't play on sunday. This system means other tournaments can actually exist without having to scrounge for the weekday scheduling scraps.

[HunteR_]

@ Tabako

24 teams signed up (it's up to 34 now) but the first 16 are in.

Will re-set registration each week. Will be first 16 teams always.

[VeNuM]

I'm going to get involved in this, just a little - I know plenty of orgas that have attempting or are running tournaments or looking to. ECO,TWL,GR,Neva ect. One of the over riding things I always said to people asking me for advice about a tournament or anything of the like was for it to not clash with Gamereplays on a Sunday as its been inplace for many many months already and has a stable crew of people behind it and generally runs 'okay' with prizes to boot.

Currently in the competitive scene there are very few teams at a high skill level and often they find it hard to play practice games against other teams of the same calibre so tournaments are somewhat very very welcome as they allow these teams to play in the later stages (hopefully) and get some good opposition and in a game where it could really matter. There are Fridays and infact Saturdays, during the day or even late night on Friday that you could of picked this - but no, you saw your chance and you went for it whilst GR had a little break inbetween tournaments. People say its great business sense - I disagree, I think it harms the community as a whole and puts you in an extremely bad light with a lot teams and players out there that want MORE tournaments but we DONT want them all to be on the same day so everyone has to choose and you just get a diluted pool of team skill in both tournaments. What I say is let Loaded get some free money from the Honcast tournaments and everyone else continue as normal in the GR, they've been here a long time and deserve credit and time from the teams that support it. Then if things that you dislike about the tournament really start to annoy you and you fancy it because GR havnt upped the stakes and improve with each week, then try out Honcast and see if its any better.There is the old saying, the grass isnt always greener. I think this really does apply to this situation right here, I'd assume the majority of people that were doing the work at Honleague tournaments will be onboard again and with a few new faces to improve on what you already had, but from what I remember of the HL tournaments they werent any better than GR and were quite badly managed in general. Thats my opinion and its not bias or anything alike.

Everything I have said here has been from my standpoint as a player and someone who has played in almost every tournament going to date. I think people need to appreciate good things and GR is certainly that and I don't see why anyone should switch over to Honcast unless they are told to by the e-sports orgas manager :).

I wouldnt be suprised if you end up completely dividing the current competitive scene because of your ambition to be the only thing related to HoN HunteR_. I can predict right now that Honcast will have American teams enter it and GR will have the EU teams enter it, I don't know why you felt this was needed. I'm quite sure that your casters could be casting on the Friday and/or the Saturday so I think its a hugely flimsy excuse to try and satisify any one that doesnt know any better.

Zzzz really.

[WaRDeN]

The only reason anyone ever did GR was because there weren't other tournaments. The looooong season for 1 decent invitational tournament is excruciating, the neva gaming/honcast way of not wasting the players' time with tournament after tournament solely to qualify is FAR better. I don't really care who wins this battle of the tournaments, as people have said, competition breeds quality, and the fact that honcast has this system which is so nice to the players is a big draw in my book. Furthermore, that system means it isn't monopolizing the day. GR you had to play nearly every fukin week, for like 6 hours every sunday. That's really unacceptable, and challenges to this monopolization are welcome in my book.

@ kaution, the GR was a mediocre way of getting to play good teams, as usually a team would only get at MOST 2-3 decent games out of the tournament, and it's pretty easy to scrim 2-3 times on a weekend without wasting massive amounts of time. Furthermore, the only reason the community needed GR to keep the scene active was because of the lack of other tournaments. Now that we're pretty busy with tournaments, it's just not worth it.

[HunteR_]

I appreciate your input Kaution, but I don't agree.

The HoN competitive scene is small. Very soon there will be some big organizations that step in with some real money and some real eSports growth.

This whole Honcast vs GR thing is only because we're both pioneers for HoN as an eSport.

Soon this will be a vague memory, and I plan on working with those big companies to cover their events instead of having to create our own to cover for content.

[BreakyCPK]

I'm going to get involved in this, just a little - I know plenty of orgas that have attempting or are running tournaments or looking to. ECO,TWL,GR,Neva ect. One of the over riding things I always said to people asking me for advice about a tournament or anything of the like was for it to not clash with Gamereplays on a Sunday as its been inplace for many many months already and has a stable crew of people behind it and generally runs 'okay' with prizes to boot.

Currently in the competitive scene there are very few teams at a high skill level and often they find it hard to play practice games against other teams of the same calibre so tournaments are somewhat very very welcome as they allow these teams to play in the later stages (hopefully) and get some good opposition and in a game where it could really matter. There are Fridays and infact Saturdays, during the day or even late night on Friday that you could of picked this - but no, you saw your chance and you went for it whilst GR had a little break inbetween tournaments. People say its great business sense - I disagree, I think it harms the community as a whole and puts you in an extremely bad light with a lot teams and players out there that want MORE tournaments but we DONT want them all to be on the same day so everyone has to choose and you just get a diluted pool of team skill in both tournaments. What I say is let Loaded get some free money from the Honcast tournaments and everyone else continue as normal in the GR, they've been here a long time and deserve credit and time from the teams that support it. Then if things that you dislike about the tournament really start to annoy you and you fancy it because GR havnt upped the stakes and improve with each week, then try out Honcast and see if its any better.There is the old saying, the grass isnt always greener. I think this really does apply to this situation right here, I'd assume the majority of people that were doing the work at Honleague tournaments will be onboard again and with a few new faces to improve on what you already had, but from what I remember of the HL tournaments they werent any better than GR and were quite badly managed in general. Thats my opinion and its not bias or anything alike.

Everything I have said here has been from my standpoint as a player and someone who has played in almost every tournament going to date. I think people need to appreciate good things and GR is certainly that and I don't see why anyone should switch over to Honcast unless they are told to by the e-sports orgas manager :).

I wouldnt be suprised if you end up completely dividing the current competitive scene because of your ambition to be the only thing related to HoN HunteR_. I can predict right now that Honcast will have American teams enter it and GR will have the EU teams enter it, I don't know why you felt this was needed. I'm quite sure that your casters could be casting on the Friday and/or the Saturday so I think its a hugely flimsy excuse to try and satisify any one that doesnt know any better.

Zzzz really.


Sure, Gamereplays has had this time slot for some time now and they have ran a succesful series. However I go back to my point of that it is no secret that Sunday afternoon is the most active time for HoN and I don't see why there is this sense of "well GR deserves it because they were there first" notion. GR had their $1,000 Tournament and yes it was succesful, but now we got our $1,000 sponsorship from S2 and it is now HONCASTs turn to show what it can do with hosting our own tournament.

And no, you say that you are "sure" that we could have fit it into Friday evening or Saturday night... no, that is not the case at all. Evenings in general just are not the greatest time especially for EU teams and Saturdays are taken by the Neva series (which is another tournament we cover). The goal of this tournament is to have it be the most active and give the best opportunity for all teams to compete and from what we have seen in the competitive scene Sunday afternoon is just that. Please don't suggest that we are purposely sliding in here taking advantage of this break in tournaments just to spite GR 100%. I assure you that is not the case at all, but instead like suggested before it is just a business move and what would be best for the tournament itself, and Sunday afternoon is the smartest decision.

Whats done is done and we look forward on hosting our first event of the series next weekend, and hopefully we do not disappoint! Also, I am shocked no one has mentioned anything about the Tournament Interface and how we will be able to fit the VOD links in there as well.... THAT STUFF IS AWESOME!

[c82]

Imo...
Having played old-school TFC competitively, I knew of 4 super competitive leagues for it: IGL, TFL, STA, and one other. Anyhow, the point was that they never overlapped. IGL was Sunday, TFL Thurs, STA Monday, and the other league was some other time. I think CAL and TFL may have overlapped eventually though, but that was later and the CAL segment died later anyway.

This is a lose-lose situation for both org's that causes internal ridiculousness. A simple way to solve this would be just to have Honcast's crap do a ladder-type of league set-up for 8 weeks similar to how a chess tourney is set-up. After each week, teams are matched against other teams of similar records. The top teams after 8 weeks == in the final bracket. You could have it on ANY night of the week, and the top teams are probably going to show up because it's not a 6 hr tourney. It's only going to be one game matched up against another team w/ a similar record. This also means, HonCast will have some terrific matches going on after about week 3, making it unique being in the middle of the week.

Directly competing with a competitor is 'war' basically, and it's risky. Sometimes both org's lose :x.

[knowitall]

Imo...
Having played old-school TFC competitively, I knew of 4 super competitive leagues for it: IGL, TFL, STA, and one other. Anyhow, the point was that they never overlapped. IGL was Sunday, TFL Thurs, STA Monday, and the other league was some other time. I think CAL and TFL may have overlapped eventually though, but that was later and the CAL segment died later anyway.

This is a lose-lose situation for both org's that causes internal ridiculousness. A simple way to solve this would be just to have Honcast's crap do a ladder-type of league set-up for 8 weeks similar to how a chess tourney is set-up. After each week, teams are matched against other teams of similar records. The top teams after 8 weeks == in the final bracket. You could have it on ANY night of the week, and the top teams are probably going to show up because it's not a 6 hr tourney. It's only going to be one game matched up against another team w/ a similar record. This also means, HonCast will have some terrific matches going on after about week 3, making it unique being in the middle of the week.

Directly competing with a competitor is 'war' basically, and it's risky. Sometimes both org's lose :x.

I can't see TFC games being as time consuming as HoN games, though.

[chu]

@GR Just because we don't voice our opinions in open public, doesn't mean we are satisfied with the way GR is ran. Tournament structure, staff members, delay on updates, vague rules, etc, so many things that are far from acceptable. Yet here you guys are, critizing another tournament. From my standpoint, it is laughable. And don't get the wrong idea, I have felt this way about GR long before I even knew Hunter.


INCOMING ENEMY STRIKE!!!!! GET UNDER THE BUNKER!!!!!

[VeNuM]

@point1. Well you heard wrong, I left of my own accord. So I'm unsure where you heard that, care to enlighten us? I have complete logs and fairly sure that people within Honcast will know that I left of my own free will after not wanting to be awake at 2-5am casting games and wanted to cast during decent times if I did cast which is why I made the switch to GR - far more laid back and they appreciate what I do.

@point2. It's always a good idea to actually speak up and try and get something improved for the better rather than sit silently and then slam it afterwards.

[Snoopy]

@GR Just because we don't voice our opinions in open public, doesn't mean we are satisfied with the way GR is ran. Tournament structure, staff members, delay on updates, vague rules, etc, so many things that are far from acceptable. Yet here you guys are, critizing another tournament. From my standpoint, it is laughable. And don't get the wrong idea, I have felt this way about GR long before I even knew Hunter.


INCOMING ENEMY STRIKE!!!!! GET UNDER THE BUNKER!!!!!
I don't see anyone really criticizing the Honcast tournament. In fact I'm glad that they are doing a tournament, and I hope they have as much fun as we do running them.

We understand that our tournaments aren't perfect, if you have any suggestions I'm sure you can PM one of our Referees/Admins/Owners about any problems you had and we could try to fix it. But this isn't what this thread is about.

[knowitall]

I don't see anyone really criticizing the Honcast tournament. In fact I'm glad that they are doing a tournament, and I hope they have as much fun as we do running them.

We understand that our tournaments aren't perfect, if you have any suggestions I'm sure you can PM one of our Referees/Admins/Owners about any problems you had and we could try to fix it. But this isn't what this thread is about.

This thread is a bunch of people crying because the honcast tournament is pushing in on GR's time.

[Snoopy]

This thread is a bunch of people crying because the honcast tournament is pushing in on GR's time.
I meant people from GR... Thats who chu` was refering to.

[Puzzles1]

If Honcast does it better than GR, they should get the "prime" slot. Anyone suggesting that Honcast should simply pick a new day for their tournament should listen to their own advice: if GR tournaments are relatively unattended on Sundays (because everyone's playing in the Honcast tournaments), they should pick a new day. On the other hand if Honcast's tournament ends up being a flop, they will pick a new day as well.

Ultimately GR has had a humongous amount of time to get their act together and the fact that they're still posting their VoDs through YouTube links on their forums is just shameful. Not to mention all the drama with their completely unprofessional and downright rude/offensive shoutcasters and time delays...

[china]

Go Honcast!

[Shredder]

Imo...
Having played old-school TFC competitively, I knew of 4 super competitive leagues for it: IGL, TFL, STA, and one other. Anyhow, the point was that they never overlapped. IGL was Sunday, TFL Thurs, STA Monday, and the other league was some other time. I think CAL and TFL may have overlapped eventually though, but that was later and the CAL segment died later anyway.

This is a lose-lose situation for both org's that causes internal ridiculousness. A simple way to solve this would be just to have Honcast's crap do a ladder-type of league set-up for 8 weeks similar to how a chess tourney is set-up. After each week, teams are matched against other teams of similar records. The top teams after 8 weeks == in the final bracket. You could have it on ANY night of the week, and the top teams are probably going to show up because it's not a 6 hr tourney. It's only going to be one game matched up against another team w/ a similar record. This also means, HonCast will have some terrific matches going on after about week 3, making it unique being in the middle of the week.

Directly competing with a competitor is 'war' basically, and it's risky. Sometimes both org's lose :x.

Apples and Oranges my man. TFC took about 2 hours of any given night, and those all started at either 9 or 930 EST. And there was plenty of scraping over nights, thats why there was never a league for TFC on Friday or Saturday. 9v9 TFC all had their given nights, but TONS of 5v5/ADL teams had to choose what league to play in on Sundays, Tuesdays, and Wednesdays. The only two organizations that never had to deal with anything were TFL and STA until CAL moved to Thursdays while on its death bed and TFL crushed the life out of it.

During any bracketed tournament in HoN it takes a minimum of 5 hours to complete. What you're talking about isn't a tournament, it's a league. And its exactly how TFL was run. The problem is you can't do that kind of setup with HoN because there are no divisions. You can't rely on win/loss records to dictate who your top 8 teams are because of tied records. You could take the top 8 teams in any division in TFL because there were, at max, 16 or so teams. But imagine if there was 1 division with 64 teams in it and you were relying solely on win/loss records to decide your top 8 teams. What if every week you had to play the same opponents and always lost and ended up with a worse record than some team who played crap opponents all the time. That's why TFL Pro never took off as well as why there were always a ton of disputes when clans would climb the rankings on konspiracy because they started in 4a and raped every team they played against until they reached 1a (like MoC)

I don't really have an opinion on the tournament other than I'm looking forward to casting it and I really look forward to weeks 7 and 8 and seeing some of the underestimated talent once the big dogs are in.

[Cathallex]

If Honcast does it better than GR, they should get the "prime" slot. Anyone suggesting that Honcast should simply pick a new day for their tournament should listen to their own advice: if GR tournaments are relatively unattended on Sundays (because everyone's playing in the Honcast tournaments), they should pick a new day. On the other hand if Honcast's tournament ends up being a flop, they will pick a new day as well.

Ultimately GR has had a humongous amount of time to get their act together and the fact that they're still posting their VoDs through YouTube links on their forums is just shameful. Not to mention all the drama with their completely unprofessional and downright rude/offensive shoutcasters and time delays...

Using a well known quality streaming site with an embed feature that plays flawlessly in HD. I for one am shocked AND appalled.

[KisukexWolf]

I Support Sunday tournaments, as i work mon-thur & sat 1pm-10pm Central. So yeah sunday ftw.

[chu]

I don't see anyone really criticizing the Honcast tournament. In fact I'm glad that they are doing a tournament, and I hope they have as much fun as we do running them.

We understand that our tournaments aren't perfect, if you have any suggestions I'm sure you can PM one of our Referees/Admins/Owners about any problems you had and we could try to fix it. But this isn't what this thread is about.

I am so very sure there were couple of posts made by GR comparing number of viewers between GR and honcast etc on the first page. They all got deleted, I don't know for whose convenience.

[Blavo]

I'm only going to post b/c I feel obligated to defend GR to some extent.

I wasn't thrilled with how GR was run for the most part because I didn't enjoy having to devote every Sunday to a GR tourney. However, GR was one of the first organizations to devote resources to covering HoN. So I can't pass too much judgment on them, since they helped promote the competitive aspect of HoN and help put it where it is today.

If Honcast's tournament ends up affecting GR, then that would be an unfortunate but inevitable aspect of business competition. We should all still be thankful for everything GR did for competitive HoN, despite what happens in the future.

[Shatnerr]

Also, people need to stop crying about competition. Competition breeds quality. With no competition, there is no incentive for a company to put out a good product.

Quoted for economics at it's finest.

[TLSHadow]

Sigh you guys are all so nerdy posting wah wah comments. TOURNAMENTS SUCK RIGHT NOW. It's true. One of the only good ones is CyberGamer, because the admins and site are AMAZING.

Two companies fighting over Sundays = better quality and more prize money, the same way the world works. If no one is competing with GR, they can slack on prize money and quality (which they have). Seriously, I don't care about any of this Hc vs GR baby **** and neither should you, the bottom line is competition is good. Monopoly.. even oligarchy is bad, just like almost every tournament so far.

I LIVE IN AMERICA *****, the country that was founded on the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of Native Americans. Just because they were here first doesn't mean they got to stay.

[nakke]

America **** yeah! World police!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Cruelshy]

It's pretty sad to see how this topic has derailed into a GR vs HCT fight between the members. Sure there are some people that like GR more than HCT and then others that like HCT more than GR, but I'm sure we staff members from both sides don't see ourselves in that possition. Competition is always good even if it means "who will come out more successful". Just please stop comparing us to eachother because that will only fuel fights among the community.


The only reason anyone ever did GR was because there weren't other tournaments. The looooong season for 1 decent invitational tournament is excruciating, the neva gaming/honcast way of not wasting the players' time with tournament after tournament solely to qualify is FAR better.
So you are telling me that you PLAY a beta game for the sole purpose of winning prize money? Not for enjoying your time playing it. Our unprized tournaments aren't only a "squeeze-in" (as I'm sure HCT's won't be either), they are more to build up a competitive scene and make every team give it their best shot every sunday at proving to the community that they are "the best" out there. Prize money is only the cherry on top.


INCOMING ENEMY STRIKE!!!!! GET UNDER THE BUNKER!!!!!
Was that comment really neccessary?


Ultimately GR has had a humongous amount of time to get their act together and the fact that they're still posting their VoDs through YouTube links on their forums is just shameful. Not to mention all the drama with their completely unprofessional and downright rude/offensive shoutcasters and time delays...
I hope you are aware that what we do is totally free and with volunteers. We aren't only specified on shoutcasts either, we are a multigaming site and everything we do is just to improve the quality of content for the community which then falls back on more activity for our and other sites. Be sure that we have tried MANY streaming sites and youtube was the one with the best resources for our needs while still being free.


I am so very sure there were couple of posts made by GR comparing number of viewers between GR and honcast etc on the first page. They all got deleted, I don't know for whose convenience.
Nope, you must've been mistaking them for other posts or not at all. That's also besides what this topic is about. Please don't make a big e-drama about this, because we do not like to compare ourselves to HoNCast. They are a site specialized but not limited to shoutcast coverage while we are a multigaming site that does a little of everything: Replays, tournaments, shoutcasts, guides, the list goes on...



Two companies fighting over Sundays = better quality and more prize money, the same way the world works.
I can give you my word that we are trying to improve as much as we can with or without competition. Both in quality and prize money.



If no one is competing with GR, they can slack on prize money and quality (which they have). y.
If we ever slacked on either of them then it surely wasn't our intention just because we thought we would have a monopolization going on. I also don't see how we slacked prize money as it went up from the last invitational by another 0.

[chu]

So you are telling me that you PLAY a beta game for the sole purpose of winning prize money? Not for enjoying your time playing it. Our unprized tournaments aren't only a "squeeze-in" (as I'm sure HCT's won't be either), they are more to build up a competitive scene and make every team give it their best shot every sunday at proving to the community that they are "the best" out there. Prize money is only the cherry on top.

Why, because few hundred bucks that is divided by 5+ people, over couple of months is so rewarding? If I needed money, I'd definitely do something that brings more than $50/month salary. And if you believe your tournament structure is anything close to an incentive for us to "give it our best shot every sunday" to "prove to the community that we are the best out there", you are horribly mistaken.


Nope, you must've been mistaking them for other posts or not at all. That's also besides what this topic is about. Please don't make a big e-drama about this, because we do not like to compare ourselves to HoNCast. They are a site specialized but not limited to shoutcast coverage while we are a multigaming site that does a little of everything: Replays, tournaments, shoutcasts, guides, the list goes on...

Don't be ignorant. Are you my eyes and ears now? I know what I saw. If those deleted posts didn't exists, I would've never had my interest in this potential drama thread. All I know is GR utterly failed at keeping their participants (we probably gave you most traffic too) satisfied, then I came here and saw some retarded "We're better than you honcast" posts which I found very ironic.

All I know is GR has not been satisfying and they havn't been stepping up in months, so I'm cheering for honcast on this one.

[YawningAngel]

If you had negative feedback to give GR, why didn't you give us the feedback? We accept that there are things we could do better, and we'd love to hear them.

[YawningAngel]

If Honcast does it better than GR, they should get the "prime" slot. Anyone suggesting that Honcast should simply pick a new day for their tournament should listen to their own advice: if GR tournaments are relatively unattended on Sundays (because everyone's playing in the Honcast tournaments), they should pick a new day. On the other hand if Honcast's tournament ends up being a flop, they will pick a new day as well.

Ultimately GR has had a humongous amount of time to get their act together and the fact that they're still posting their VoDs through YouTube links on their forums is just shameful. Not to mention all the drama with their completely unprofessional and downright rude/offensive shoutcasters and time delays...
We use YouTube to host our stuff... What's the problem with that?

[Vievi]

Wait, people are still QQ'ing about this? GR does not own the Sunday slot, that's what it boils down to. Stop whining and let the teams decide. :)

[TLSHadow]

GR actually made a very smart move with the Youtube player, it's much better and way better quality than what Honcast has. You can't beat the quality of html5 HD casts :D (It's seriously impossible at the current stage of flash based video players)

But on a serious note.. TLSHADOW TYPECAST>H0NS&OBI>HONCAST=GR

[chu]

If you had negative feedback to give GR, why didn't you give us the feedback? We accept that there are things we could do better, and we'd love to hear them.

this line is a pure roflmao
"Why didn't you give us feedback?", I'm sorry if it was our duty to give legitimate feedback then expect the obvious flaws in GR to be fixed, the same flaws that cause so much issues almost every semi-finals/finals, the same flaws that could only be unattended for months if you guys "assumed" the fault to be on player-side - vague server rules, behavior of certain staff members, extremely slow setting up 5~7 staff members in the game which takes well over 20 min at times. If these issues get ignored so bluntly, issues that could directly influence the performance of players, issues that have come up every single GR tournament, I'm not going to bother giving "feedback".

[Shatnerr]

GR actually made a very smart move with the Youtube player, it's much better and way better quality than what Honcast has.

You're kidding, right?

[YawningAngel]

You're kidding, right?
Nope. Youtube's player offers comparable quality and we don't have to pay for it. I can't claim to be representative in this regard, since I run the Chromium dev build, but Honcast's player doesn't work as well as Youtube for me.

[YawningAngel]

Delete this post please, double post -_-

[BillDjango]

Nope. Youtube's player offers comparable quality and we don't have to pay for it. I can't claim to be representative in this regard, since I run the Chromium dev build, but Honcast's player doesn't work as well as Youtube for me.

The player? Or the stream?

Some people can't watch the streams via RTMP because of the bandwidth requirements.

The player has nothing to do with that.

We use a flash player because it is industry standard. HTML5 is still a ways off. We could use silverlight if we wanted to, but ad networks seem to stick with flash.

[Vievi]

GR actually made a very smart move with the Youtube player, it's much better and way better quality than what Honcast has. You can't beat the quality of html5 HD casts :D (It's seriously impossible at the current stage of flash based video players)

But on a serious note.. TLSHADOW TYPECAST>H0NS&OBI>HONCAST=GR

Not really, Honcast could easily put out a 1080p HD stream - but given that a fair chunk of users have issues streaming 1.2MBIT @ 720p, we're weighing up our options. :)

[Vievi]

The player? Or the stream?

Some people can't watch the streams via RTMP because of the bandwidth requirements.

The player has nothing to do with that.

We use a flash player because it is industry standard. HTML5 is still a ways off. We could use silverlight if we wanted to, but ad networks seem to stick with flash.

Further to this, at the end of the day - I'm sure one of the reasons that Honcast uses our platform is so they have a contractual agreement, and aren't forced to rely on a free ad-supported (which is a loss of revenue) option that could be taken away from them at any time. :)

[theoutsider]

So before you pull this through please consider hiring more/better shoutcasters, maybe 1-2 from GR (Chapy etc).

I mean, nothing against breaky I love his casts but the other guys (zander xander and phil and what they are called) have bad mics and are, for me personally, really annoying to listen to. Breaky does better play-by-play than they could ever dream of doing and in the end they are just bad kids that don't know jack about this game.

Loved Kaution cast (it reads like he left), loving rabbi cast even though he talks way to much, Ympulse guy seems good aswell. But the others? Oh well.

Please expand your staff if you are really aiming for everyday new coverage

[Vievi]

So before you pull this through please consider hiring more/better shoutcasters, maybe 1-2 from GR (Chapy etc).

I mean, nothing against breaky I love his casts but the other guys (zander xander and phil and what they are called) have bad mics and are, for me personally, really annoying to listen to. Breaky does better play-by-play than they could ever dream of doing and in the end they are just bad kids that don't know jack about this game.

Loved Kaution cast (it reads like he left), loving rabbi cast even though he talks way to much, Ympulse guy seems good aswell. But the others? Oh well.

Please expand your staff if you are really aiming for everyday new coverage

No offense to GR, but I find the current casting team from Honcast to be superior to Chapy and co - however, this is just my personal opinion. :)

The few times I've listened to a GR cast, I've really not been impressed with what's been said. Maybe I've been unlucky a few times though.

[theoutsider]

The thing is, I personally like to have strategic insight. Other games I follow, pros cast the games because they know what they are talking about.
Breaky is a great shoutcaster and really puts effort into his casting, everyone can see that. But the others are kinda like weaker copies, they try to immitate his play by play but can't keep up with the action and don't give any sort of intelligent strategic insight whatsoever.
I remember games with new metagame/szene bans being used for around a week and one of the zander/xander/whatever guys being like "WEIRD BAN CHOICE NEVER SEEN THAT" or something similar.
I don't know, it just annoys me.

[TLSHadow]

You're kidding, right?

I would answer you, but I myself am not sure whether to take you seriously or not. Go get dual certification, a degree in computer engineering, and a software design corporate position and let's talk about flash based applications THANKS <3

On a side note, I don't like this tourney already, half of the staff says it starts today, the other half says it starts next week. GG

[Vievi]

I would answer you, but I myself am not sure whether to take you seriously or not. Go get dual certification, a degree in computer engineering, and a software design corporate position and let's talk about flash based applications THANKS <3

On a side note, I don't like this tourney already, half of the staff says it starts today, the other half says it starts next week. GG

Okay.

You're kidding, right?

[Snoopy]

I would answer you, but I myself am not sure whether to take you seriously or not. Go get dual certification, a degree in computer engineering, and a software design corporate position and let's talk about flash based applications THANKS <3

On a side note, I don't like this tourney already, half of the staff says it starts today, the other half says it starts next week. GG
[STARTING NEXT SUNDAY, MAY 2nd, 2010]
Grabbed from this first post. It's next week

[Vievi]

You're kidding, right?

It seems he hasn't actually checked out a Honcast stream. The platform supports higher quality than Youtube, however it's intentionally kept "low" (1.2MBIT / 720p) in order to support viewers with slower connections.

HTML5 still isn't fully supported, so going "omg youtube html5" is hardly constructive.

At the end of the day, from a business point of view - most businesses would go with a platform that they have some form of control over, and some form of contractual agreement with. On the Youtube platform, you're completely at their mercy. Honcast are free to do what they want, and can innovate and adapt as necessary.

Multi-bitrate streams are currently in the works, as are high definition 1080p streams. Further to this, we've got support for the iPhone (the Cupertino protocol in general) and more coming - along with a lot more things that Honcast would be incapable of doing if they were limited to Youtube.

Further to this, the same platform allows for live streaming at any quality - something Youtube does not allow, and it does not have the restrictions that JTV and Livestream place. Honcast currently has transit to support 1706 viewers simultaneously (live) on a 1.2MBIT stream, and we've added burst capability in place to triple this figure if necessary. As recently shown by GR on Livestream lately, Livestream really starts to fail once you hit the 1200 mark.

[theoutsider]

I like youtube because I can't watch any Honcast shoutcasts without having to pause and wait ages anymore (not even second stream working good for me) since they went from Justin.tv to whatever they are using now.
It would be great if HCT VoDs could be either downloaded or be put up on youtube as well since I don't think I'm the only one facing those problems

[YawningAngel]

Not really, Honcast could easily put out a 1080p HD stream - but given that a fair chunk of users have issues streaming 1.2MBIT @ 720p, we're weighing up our options. :)
GR could also do a 1080p HD stream, but we don't because it makes text illegible. Do you have a similar issue if you try it?

[Vievi]

GR could also do a 1080p HD stream, but we don't because it makes text illegible. Do you have a similar issue if you try it?

Nope, doing tests on a machine with a native 1920x1080 resolution, the quality appears amazing (and text, crystal clear), when doing so. :)

[Vievi]

I like youtube because I can't watch any Honcast shoutcasts without having to pause and wait ages anymore (not even second stream working good for me) since they went from Justin.tv to whatever they are using now.
It would be great if HCT VoDs could be either downloaded or be put up on youtube as well since I don't think I'm the only one facing those problems

If you have to pause and wait for some time, that's a issue with your ISP in terms of routing, e.t.c. Please email rtmp@nevadigital.co.uk so we can do some network troubleshooting for you. :)

[theoutsider]

Thanks will do

[Kolapz]

This thread is funny.

Honcast and GR guys:"Competition is good. Please stop comparing GR and Honcast, we are friends."
Other Honcast and GR guys:"OMG WE IZ BETTER THAN U MKAY?!"

[tabako]

The players have given feedback to GR before, but its never been taken very seriously.

[JoshP]

Not really, Honcast could easily put out a 1080p HD stream - but given that a fair chunk of users have issues streaming 1.2MBIT @ 720p, we're weighing up our options. :)
Theres not much of a difference between 720p and 1080p when you are spectating the match, everything is crisp and detailed and you can read all the abilities and see everything easily.

Glad to see a honcast tournament, breakycpk up in this!

[china]

Honcast ftw!

[Shatnerr]

I would answer you, but I myself am not sure whether to take you seriously or not. Go get dual certification, a degree in computer engineering, and a software design corporate position and let's talk about flash based applications THANKS <3

On a side note, I don't like this tourney already, half of the staff says it starts today, the other half says it starts next week. GG

I don't need an education in computer science/engineering to know that having to switch videos every 10 minutes is less efficient than having it all in one.

We could use silverlight if we wanted toYes, but please don't...

That plugin is too unstable to get something good out of it, not to mention that it's not working in Linux or Mac atm(at least not on the standards that it could be considered usable).

And I know what you have to know to get a degree in CS and stuff. That might seem a lot, but once you're done with that study you only learned the useless crap that any intelligent person can come up with on his own.

[HunteR_]

Just to Clarify, the only reason we don't use youtube is the fact that we can't monetize it.

Youtube has made it clear that you cannot make money off of video games unless it's content YOU create. Which means, you can't make money off of watching people play a video game which is what we do of course.

How do I know? They (Youtube) approached me about a partnership when my videos @ honleague and my personal youtube account started getting to the 2 million video views. SO we moved to a content delivery network... It's expensive, and if you don't have backing from a Venture Capital Firm (Investment agency) to throw out 4-6k a month on video bandwidth it's not going to happen. Not being on youtube was a move for the future of HONCAST so we are not reliant on another source, and our user retention has been phenomenal.

We had our podcast earlier this week on the new streaming system we have to test it out and it went great. No more livestream/justin.tv garbage either.

[Calneon]

I think all this arguing about who uses what is pointless. Honcast use their system because they need the control and want to make money off it. GR uses YouTube because it's free and we don't want to make money from it. Both do their job perfectly acceptably.


I don't need an education in computer science/engineering to know that having to switch videos every 10 minutes is less efficient than having it all in one.
YouTube automatically switches videos for you, at most it's a 1 second pause between videos.

[BillDjango]

I think all this arguing about who uses what is pointless. Honcast use their system because they need the control and want to make money off it. GR uses YouTube because it's free and we don't want to make money from it. Both do their job perfectly acceptably.


YouTube automatically switches videos for you, at most it's a 1 second pause between videos.

Saying you don't want to make money isn't accurate, you run ads on your site as well ;)

Sites cost money to run, trips to cast events cost money, development of software costs money. It is perfectly acceptable to want to generate revenue from a website.

[chapy]

IT IS NOT

[BreakyCPK]

So how about that actual tournament guys! Honestly though, this is a joke.... like WHY does every single post trying to hype up honcast have to turn into this stupid and retarded nonsense debate. I am getting tired of this honestly, like it doesn't do anything for anyone and its just a waste of time.... please just everyone get over it, both honcast and GR people. It seems like everyone always brings up the same debates with quality and what they use and the shoutcasters... like its a never ending circle that will NEVER end if these posts continue to happen.

Like I get the fact that this does effect GR and they have a right to voice their opinions which I am fine with. But the comments dealing with the quality of the vods, shoutcasters, who uses what to stream from both HCT and GR... have absolutely NOTHING to do with the original point of this post. So I please ask that everyone does there best to just keep this on track from now on, it just gets annoying to see this pointless debate going back and forth.

[ScoutkniveZ]

dam these brackets filled up fast

[`14FAussie]

Honcast is a bunch of non-professional people trying to make something of themselves. GR has been around for awhile at least.

The fact being S2 gave them the time since GR had it before is S2 decision so take it up with them. No point in calling nobodys' names since they are use to it.

[Schatzi]

I am glad to see that the brackets are full. Also, thanks Breaky for bringing some sense into some of the people qqing, I hope they really stop. It's really enough! Now, good luck to all the teams that sign up and to you Breaky, cast away :)

[HunteR_]

Brackets are up.

Enjoy!

http://hon.esportmedia.com/tournaments/honcast-1000-heroes-of-newerth-tournament-series-i

[Vievi]

Honcast is a bunch of non-professional people trying to make something of themselves. GR has been around for awhile at least.

Excuse me? Drop the personal attacks on people. I'm considered to be a part of Honcast, and calling me non-professional is like calling your post... intelligent ;)!

[Milkfat]

Damn nice brackets. Clan MILK finally getting a number 3 seed!

[HunteR_]

Konspiracy.org rankings.

Our official ranking tracker.

[BASH]

Theres not much of a difference between 720p and 1080p when you are spectating the match, everything is crisp and detailed and you can read all the abilities and see everything easily.
Depends on your screen size, distance etc. ...

<3 CARE vs. 5 first round
Penance you carry, k?

btw. nice to see HC with a tournament!

[daggius]

how do u sign up for this or is signup closed?

[BASH]

Brackets are up, go figure.

[Schatzi]

[QUOTE=HunteR_;1483989]Konspiracy.org rankings.


Really cool site, thanks

[BillDjango]

how do u sign up for this or is signup closed?

When registration is open a form appears at the bottom of the tournament page.

[Thurr]

I've been watching both Honcast, and Gamereplays VoDs whenever I can. I think the new Honcast Tourny format looks really good. What we need is a super GR/HoNcast teamup!

With the combined manpower of the two sites I believe an entire tournament meaning every match being casted and a constant 2 games livestreamed at any given moment. If both sites were running livestreams simultaneously it would be much more like modern day professional sports where you could watch (Insert your favorite team here) LIVE!

Whoever is hosting said tournament (like honcast for this one) would get to choose what matches they want casted but would let the other site cast/livestream those they cant get too. Think of TNT and ABC hosting NBA playoff games (THE SAME TOURNAMENT) simultaneously and both profiting in their own way.

This would make these two companies have to put some differences aside but could be beneficial to both websites as well as teams getting more exposure. More traffic for both sites.

I know it has been a while since I have been able to watch a tournament round by round from having to wait for certain replay casts to be posted. Not to attack GR but I believe I caught some livestreams of matches before the previous ones were posted (I prefer not knowing the outcome of a match before I watch it.)

Hey perhaps this is too much to ask for from this unknown competitive hon fan. Both sites to put the petty stuff behind them and work together for the true benefit of the HoN community. Some of the most enjoyable casts for me have been casted by members of different sites.

TL;DR Honcast + GR should work together on all tournaments to try and provide FULL coverage on a tournament as well as benefit both companies.

Thanks!

[Shatnerr]

Yeah, but the NBA tournament is a separate entity of TNT and ABC... Also, nobody said that GR couldn't spectate and cast a match in the Honcast tournament.

[Snoopy]

I've been watching both Honcast, and Gamereplays VoDs whenever I can. I think the new Honcast Tourny format looks really good. What we need is a super GR/HoNcast teamup!

With the combined manpower of the two sites I believe an entire tournament meaning every match being casted and a constant 2 games livestreamed at any given moment. If both sites were running livestreams simultaneously it would be much more like modern day professional sports where you could watch (Insert your favorite team here) LIVE!

Whoever is hosting said tournament (like honcast for this one) would get to choose what matches they want casted but would let the other site cast/livestream those they cant get too. Think of TNT and ABC hosting NBA playoff games (THE SAME TOURNAMENT) simultaneously and both profiting in their own way.

This would make these two companies have to put some differences aside but could be beneficial to both websites as well as teams getting more exposure. More traffic for both sites.

I know it has been a while since I have been able to watch a tournament round by round from having to wait for certain replay casts to be posted. Not to attack GR but I believe I caught some livestreams of matches before the previous ones were posted (I prefer not knowing the outcome of a match before I watch it.)

Hey perhaps this is too much to ask for from this unknown competitive hon fan. Both sites to put the petty stuff behind them and work together for the true benefit of the HoN community. Some of the most enjoyable casts for me have been casted by members of different sites.

TL;DR Honcast + GR should work together on all tournaments to try and provide FULL coverage on a tournament as well as benefit both companies.

Thanks!
As nice as it would be for us to all work together like that. I don't see it working out :/
Not that I wouldn't enjoy megacast
http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kzu5zlfBtg1qzvs1vo1_500.jpg

[Shatnerr]

quad desk trumps your mega desk

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/4990/3960151268428814914160.jpg (http://img35.imageshack.us/i/3960151268428814914160.jpg/)

[Thurr]

Yeah, but the NBA tournament is a separate entity of TNT and ABC... Also, nobody said that GR couldn't spectate and cast a match in the Honcast tournament.

I know many times when Gamereplays had a tournament if I wanted a Honcast cast of the event I would have to wait until honcast got the replays of the match. I remember in the last GR tournament that the honcast staff was not able to get into the GR tourney matches for what ever reason.

Replay casts days later do not have the same enjoyment factor when you herd the results 4 days ago.

[TLSHadow]

I am sitting in the most comfortable chair of all time. If you want to become a better HoN player, invest in a extremely comfy chair. That is all.

[Snoopy]

quad desk trumps your mega desk

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/4990/3960151268428814914160.jpg (http://img35.imageshack.us/i/3960151268428814914160.jpg/)
Thank you...thank you so much

I was wondering if I was gonna be alone on this one

[Shatnerr]

Good luck to all the teams fighting for 2nd!

[HunteR_]

Breaky and I have been trying to work with GR since the inception of honcast. We did coverage for the first ever GR HoN Tournament, but soon after we started getting the shaft. Breaky and ZNDR were being kicked out of spectator spots for GR to do the casting. It's been a downhill battle since the day breaky came to me expressing his disappointment in GR's unwillingness to work with Honcast.

I was done posting on this thread until I received a threat from the CEO of GameReplays.org this morning. Stating that he was ready to throw "GR Resources" to devote to HoN to "one-up" honcast. So you see, this has already done great things for HoN. I told him the same thing I told you guys, we tried to work with GR, and they were unwilling. They have the opposite approach we do for building the HoN community by supporting sites that promote HoN as an eSport.

Bottom line, we at Honcast have, and will continue to help other HoN communities grow. We work with many sites that try to promote HoN, and we commend GR for their contributions to the community. Unfortunately, they haven't done much to help other HoN affiliated groups grow with them. I believe that what happened is that GR did not think honcast would ever catch on and grow to the size it is now, with over 110,000 unique visitors to honcast in the last 30 days we're now the largest HoN community site in existence (outside of HoN's official forums of course.)

I hope you all can see that we wanted to work, and still want to work with GR on events. A day of the week for events is not property of anyone, it's just like TV shows guys, Leno competes with Conan (Back in the day) then Lopez competes with those guys and David Letterman, and what not. You just have to run your time spot and run it the best you can with as much talent as you can. The best show always gets the best ratings, it's just how it works.

I have been getting PM's a lot recently from people with great input and suggestions on how to improve the HoN community. We at eSport Media have put our heads together to help great HoN resources, like Konspiracy.org, eco-league, neva, alienware arena, and GameReplays.org (I'll point out there are 100's of links to thier site or references to them on our site and it is not reciprocated)... Just to name a few.

The truth is, you can make it what you want, but we want to do something big, and the only day we had available to throw the production we want, with the staff and resources available is Sundays.

[Shredder]

I know many times when Gamereplays had a tournament if I wanted a Honcast cast of the event I would have to wait until honcast got the replays of the match. I remember in the last GR tournament that the honcast staff was not able to get into the GR tourney matches for what ever reason.

Replay casts days later do not have the same enjoyment factor when you herd the results 4 days ago.

I dislike getting involved in the GR vs Honcast feud that seems to happen every time an organization has a forum thread, but everything you've written is fantasy and impractical. GR wouldn't allow Honcast to cast their matches live, and honestly, it will most likely be the same for Honcast. Aside from GR's representatives not allowing us to spec the matches live, they often intentionally attempted to ruin match results in their IRC channel as well as posting match results on their stream in the invitational tourney, and have been overall a pain to work with. Not to mention that there is maybe 1 or 2 casters in total that Honcast would even consider working with from GR because of the serious levels of unprofessional conduct we've seen coming from some of them. Props to Rabbi and Snoopy who are the only 2 GR people I've ever had any good experiences with. I would sooner quit casting than get stuck streaming with someone like Sixy or Carmelizer. While some people might find them entertaining and I can appreciate the fact that they have a following; the audience they cater to isn't one I'm interested in.

That said, it's not so much of a "getting back at GR" thing as it is "we're happy with what we've done and want to keep it that way." The numbers don't lie, we bring in far more traffic per video than GR has even on their own tournaments. It's easy for people to say "well gr has x amount of people on their livestream, while honcast has only had y" But we've never been able to cover a huge event like GR tourney live (aside from Alienware which IMO would have easily broken the 2k mark had proper preparations been made.)



BTW, I feel I should add that my opinions about GR reflect only my own views, not Honcast's nor Konspiracy's.

[Deductive]

Well since this is going on I just wanted to jump in...

WITH A BIG FRIENDLY HELLO! :D

Honestly though I will give my own opinion and please Breaky dont think its flame like before ;) Cause it's not :D

Let me start with Honcast. I like the people at honcast and I think that what they do and all the time breaky put into his casts is phenomenal and more then I have ever done and probably will ever do. I think their quality of their videos is good but like it has been said before I just think a little more caster variety would be nice. Breaky does an excellent job but sometimes it nice to hear a new voice every once and awhile. I know I tried flaming honcast before but its really kinda dumb cause they do the same thing I do which is: Work their @$$ off and I appreciate that. I think if we could mix it would be the most powerful community site ever but what can I say? The posts show the evidence from admins, staff and founders of both sites alike. We dont like each other. Why? Because we both want to win the publicity race I guess and that's reasonable for both parties. I think that both of the communities have sparked a lot of insight and attracted great players and communities. I don't really know where this feud started I have heard some stories that it was hunter flaming us or the GR admins flamed HoNCast and whichever is true so be it but I am sure both have matured and are willing to compete rather than flame each other. We all want to keep a professional sense but the flame makes us look like Team Hausen make us look like those random pub kids who scream "F$$$INK SCOOT MID I MA FEED" But I do love both communities and I appreciate all they have done from Breaky and Hunter to Ichi and Kustodian. And everyone in between.

For their tournament: I don't blame honcast at all for taking our time or what not. I think the fact that they stepped up and jumped on us taking a break is terrific and will give people and myself something to watch in this two week break. Although I think it's only going to hurt both tournaments but it will all work out in the end and yes the superior tournament will stay and the other will have to adjust. I hope through this though that both communities can survive, I fear that either Honcast will die or GR will die which one will is up to the community really. Although I will say this, I will always be a GR fan and I should be they are the community that made me even semi-recognizable in HoN even if my casts are mediocre and amateur I still enjoy doing it and am getting better every cast. I think what people really need to see though is that look how both have grown...

GR:
Got a livestream
Recruited Casters
Fieleded a Great Tournament

And then Honcast Built off that:
Started their own tourny
Are getting a delayed stream
Are looking to get new casters? (Kaution) < I think was a beta test. ;)


Anyway, I just want to say GL to HoNCast in their tournaments and I can assure you all.

GR is going to step up our game in response to this not by flaming or trolling but innovation and new content and then the ball goes back to HoNCast and then back to us to repeat.
I just hope that this doesn't turn into those poppa john commercials and we start saying words like "Puffery" cause I will probably just get a headache. XD

I tried to stay neutral and show that there are people in GR who appreciate HonCast and like them and that other posts show HonCast appreciates GR and likes them... I had no intention to flame or bring down one site or the other.

EDIT: One last thing, I think for both communities GR and HCT should keep flame in private before the community gives up on both of us as a whole and start their own. If you really want to flame Hunter or Breaky or (INSERT HCT NAME HERE) send them a PM. If you want to flame Me or (INSERT GR STAFF NAME HERE) then pm ;P

-Bart13t OUT!

[HunteR_]

Well, actually, I already told you where it started. It started when breaky and zndr came to me one day and said GR kicked them from the tournament matches and didn't want to work with us anymore.

I hate pointing fingers, but I think I made it very clear in my previous post what happened, then the deliberate attacks by numerous GR staff against honcast ensued. Many of which were deleted for their severity. We've always tried to take the high road in this mess of a situation, and we have weekly staff meetings to make sure that our staff is held accountable for their actions and words. I'll give GR the benefit of the doubt that they have a crap ton of volunteer staff (i think 19 last time i checked) and it is probably hard to keep track of your staff, not to mention their true involvement with the organization itself.

I really don't see any of this being a problem, GR has a decent community, a lot of dedicated individuals, and same with Honcast... Just like the hundreds of successful fan/community sites for various games, GR will be just fine.

It's a bit harder for what we're trying to do at eSport Media, luckily the HoN community is cultish when it comes to their dedication to the game and the eSport aspect of it in general. We focus on that aspect of it, we have a deep rooted connection to the eSport industry and that's our focus. Our site doesn't have forums, or guides, or any of that stuff GR has, we're primarily a video and eSport news site. It may change in the future, especially with the requests we get every day to do more. I just see this situation as a win/win for the hon community, GR is going to "one-up" or so the CEO of it says, and that's awesome for HoN. You're going to see more money, more prizes, and more development for HoN (if he puts his money where his mouth is of course).

I'm quite frankly ecstatic about it, and the community should be as well. I know my team is, they can't wait to take home whatever's in the near future.

Ugh, :( Why can't we all just get along

[Deductive]

Fair enough, and if that's true then shame on us but I just lost track at which stories to believe and which not XD.

[HunteR_]

I like you Bartlet and everything you've done dude, and I've loved working with you.

I'm just disappointed in some of the decisions that were made at GR (probably up much higher than you) to not work with outside communities and sites. It's just not fair to us, or any other HoN community site that is trying to work together to grow when GR claims to be doing so much for HoN and not being a team player.

I'm not frustrated with you. I'm just sick and tired of the situation and how some people try to "spin" the conversation to look different than it really is.

[Deductive]

Thanks Hunter :D

And I think you make a very valid point about spinning conversations but I do have to say I have seen it on both ends :/
Then again... welcome to the wonderful world of business :P

Business - Where a spin doctor is the ONLY doctor

LOLWUT!?

[ko]

is this tournie gonna be live streamed?

[chu]

EDIT: One last thing, I think for both communities GR and HCT should keep flame in private before the community gives up on both of us as a whole and start their own.


Okay that's it, show's over.

I'm making my very own S2 sponsered tournament. It will be a social ground of the hon players, by the hon players, for the hon players. WHOS WITH ME ARGGGGGGGGGGGGG




PS: plz stop deleting my posts...

[FuzzyWuzzy]

I don't understand the need to make these so called "tournaments".

Nobody in Dota ever bothers making tournaments, since nobody even remotely social is gonna sit there playing for the whole night, except maybe on Sunday.

All the current Dota online competitions are leagues with standings and so on, where you can play matches @ easier times.

[`sota]

What we have here isn't a problem. We have competition. Competition never hurt anyone(LOL Joe Theismann). All the battle back and forth may not be "professional" or "mature" to some people - but it happens on the playing field, in corporate america, and in video games.

Competition makes people strive to be better. To produce a better product or be a better player. The quality of a product or service becomes better because of the pressure of their competitors. It provides the community with an overall better quality product/service for us to enjoy. Now, lets get down to business.

I don't mean to be harsh or anything to GR, they in essence started the casting of HoN matches. However, just because you were the first to do something and your track record of when tournaments were normally held(i.e. Sunday) does not make that day of the week off limits for other organizations. Secondly, get to know who you're crawling into bed with. Calling out HoNCast saying you'll use "GR Resources" to "one-up" them isn't the smartest way. I'm 100% sure HoNCast's pocketbook is substantially larger than what GR may have.

I think people from GR are starting to realize that maybe they are picking a fight they can't win. If they are just biting their tongue, then that's just fine. But know that competition is healthy - and if you really care about the HoN community you would welcome new tournaments and leagues with open arms instead of ripping into them about them trying to steal your thunder.

Whatever feud there is between both companies - suck it up. If not talking with each other or avoiding each other is what needs to be done - do it. But it's pretty low of GR to come in here and publicly libel HoNCast.

If a mediation hearing needs to be held, as of this moment my schedule is clear.

[Kolapz]

in corporate america

Yes, only in America. The rest of us fight it out with sticks.
:)

[Galam]

Can we get a grudge match between honcast and gr staff please?

[YawningAngel]

But it's pretty low of GR to come in here and publicly libel HoNCast.

GR hasn't committed libel as far as I'm aware. In fact, I think it's actually libellous to say we have ;p

[HunteR_]

My team can beat up your team :p

[Cruelshy]

What we have here isn't a problem. We have competition. Competition never hurt anyone(LOL Joe Theismann). All the battle back and forth may not be "professional" or "mature" to some people - but it happens on the playing field, in corporate america, and in video games.

Competition makes people strive to be better. To produce a better product or be a better player. The quality of a product or service becomes better because of the pressure of their competitors. It provides the community with an overall better quality product/service for us to enjoy. Now, lets get down to business.

I don't mean to be harsh or anything to GR, they in essence started the casting of HoN matches. However, just because you were the first to do something and your track record of when tournaments were normally held(i.e. Sunday) does not make that day of the week off limits for other organizations. Secondly, get to know who you're crawling into bed with. Calling out HoNCast saying you'll use "GR Resources" to "one-up" them isn't the smartest way. I'm 100% sure HoNCast's pocketbook is substantially larger than what GR may have.

I think people from GR are starting to realize that maybe they are picking a fight they can't win. If they are just biting their tongue, then that's just fine. But know that competition is healthy - and if you really care about the HoN community you would welcome new tournaments and leagues with open arms instead of ripping into them about them trying to steal your thunder.

Whatever feud there is between both companies - suck it up. If not talking with each other or avoiding each other is what needs to be done - do it. But it's pretty low of GR to come in here and publicly libel HoNCast.

If a mediation hearing needs to be held, as of this moment my schedule is clear.
I don't know where you get your information from, but most of what you said here about GR and HCT is just not true.

[HunteR_]

I agree, GR pocketbook is much larger than HCT's looking at the traffic numbers.

[Vievi]

I don't know where you get your information from, but most of what you said here about GR and HCT is just not true.

Actually, GR calling out HCT is true. :)

[Vievi]

I agree, GR pocketbook is much larger than HCT's looking at the traffic numbers.

Mhmm, given their figures - if they have any form of advertising on their site - the guy in charge must be turning over a fair amount of cash. :)

[Snoopy]

I agree, GR pocketbook is much larger than HCT's looking at the traffic numbers.
isn't a pocketbook a women's bag??? Do we mean wallet?


Actually, GR calling out HCT is true. :)
And Honcast has never insulted GR

[Con88]

I'm not really sure why discussing GR's finances is acceptable in this thread.

[Kolapz]

I don't think constantly drawing attention away from the teams and towards this insignificant rivalry is the way to go.

You are all acting like 12 year old children.

[Milkfat]

Yea more attention on us plzzz

[Snoopy]

Yea more attention on us plzzz
Look at this dude... He's on a team and they are playing. Good luck Milk

[Shatnerr]

Damn Hunter_, always gotta be causin' some trouble.

[HunteR_]

Hahahah! :)

Thread derail is pretty much the expected of DotA/HoN forums around the world.

[j4s]

GUYS why arre u even talking about this

game replays will transfer their focus to sc2 when it comes out, cos they we'rent stupid enough to make a game-specific organisation name:)

can't wait~ the new aos map is gonna b awesome

[Snoopy]

Hahahah! :)

Thread derail is pretty much the expected of DotA/HoN forums around the world.
this... But honestly, good luck with the tourny.. Hope you guys have no problems at all.

[HunteR_]

GUYS why arre u even talking about this

game replays will transfer their focus to sc2 when it comes out, cos they we'rent stupid enough to make a game-specific organisation name:)

can't wait~ the new aos map is gonna b awesome

Yeah, you're right. I wish I knew something about marketing, and game-specific sites. Darn I wish we were developing starcraftcast.com.... O wait

The fact that you don't even notice honcast is really hon.esportmedia.com proves you have no clue what you're talking about.

Nice troll attempt though.

[Schatzi]

Good luck to all the teams fighting for 2nd!

lol, nice!

[j4s]

Yeah, you're right. I wish I knew something about marketing, and game-specific sites. Darn I wish we were developing starcraftcast.com.... O wait

The fact that you don't even notice honcast is really hon.esportmedia.com proves you have no clue what you're talking about.

Nice troll attempt though.

yeah putting ur name out there as honcast doesnt make it look game specific or anything. honcast ur source for casts of all ur favorite video games. honcast the hub for esports. or is it just cast? cast incorp, ur scource for all things cast. starcast..... wow that name actually sounds awesome, oh, you went with starcraftcast. cool hehe

nice buisness model ;)

the fact that u notice gamereplays instead of honreplays just shows they're putting themselves out there better than u. i dont think of hon when i think of gamereplays, just a source for replays. honcast tho?? when in rome

[LibrtiORDeth]

From reading this thread it appears that 5/LOAD support Honcast having the slot over GameReplays, and if that's the case, so it shall be, no matter what :cool:.

[LibrtiORDeth]

The thing is, I personally like to have strategic insight. Other games I follow, pros cast the games because they know what they are talking about.
Breaky is a great shoutcaster and really puts effort into his casting, everyone can see that. But the others are kinda like weaker copies, they try to immitate his play by play but can't keep up with the action and don't give any sort of intelligent strategic insight whatsoever.
I remember games with new metagame/szene bans being used for around a week and one of the zander/xander/whatever guys being like "WEIRD BAN CHOICE NEVER SEEN THAT" or something similar.
I don't know, it just annoys me.

I lol'ed.

[Shredder]

yeah putting ur name out there as honcast doesnt make it look game specific or anything. honcast ur source for casts of all ur favorite video games. honcast the hub for esports. or is it just cast? cast incorp, ur scource for all things cast. starcast..... wow that name actually sounds awesome, oh, you went with starcraftcast. cool hehe

nice buisness model ;)

the fact that u notice gamereplays instead of honreplays just shows they're putting themselves out there better than u. i dont think of hon when i think of gamereplays, just a source for replays. honcast tho?? when in rome

Wat?

[BASH]

First I was like "moar eDrama plx!".


But then I was like "this thread is about a freaking tournament, and not about one company ranting about another".

:>

[Deductive]

Hunter I just talked to my friends on Qs and they're disbanded they are now in Uq with Kaution so you might want to ask around or what not so your brackets proper :D

[BreakyCPK]

Hunter I just talked to my friends on Qs and they're disbanded they are now in Uq with Kaution so you might want to ask around or what not so your brackets proper :D

I am pretty sure they are just playing under the name Qsqaud for the tournament because that is what they all signed up as (even Kaution).

Will try to get confirmation on this though

[Deductive]

Thanks I am just making sure :D Helping out when I can :)

[Cherryhammer]

GR volunteers for the community so I'm sure most of their cast will be happy if a better tournament opportunity for competitive HoN presents itself.

On a slightly related note I really feel that Hunter is rubbing it in GR's face on purpose.

[LibrtiORDeth]

I am sitting in the most comfortable chair of all time. If you want to become a better HoN player, invest in a extremely comfy chair. That is all.

This.

[LibrtiORDeth]

So how about that actual tournament guys! Honestly though, this is a joke.... like WHY does every single post trying to hype up honcast have to turn into this stupid and retarded nonsense debate. I am getting tired of this honestly, like it doesn't do anything for anyone and its just a waste of time.... please just everyone get over it, both honcast and GR people. It seems like everyone always brings up the same debates with quality and what they use and the shoutcasters... like its a never ending circle that will NEVER end if these posts continue to happen.

Like I get the fact that this does effect GR and they have a right to voice their opinions which I am fine with. But the comments dealing with the quality of the vods, shoutcasters, who uses what to stream from both HCT and GR... have absolutely NOTHING to do with the original point of this post. So I please ask that everyone does there best to just keep this on track from now on, it just gets annoying to see this pointless debate going back and forth.

That's life, get over it. People discuss, people argue, people have problems with GR/Honcast shoutcasters, quality, etc., and a discussion of this nature is to be expected. Also, most humans really, really like drama ;).

[Tyranosourus]

Does anyone know if we have already chosen our rosters for the team? How do we check? And is there a way to see who signed us up for the tournament?

[HunteR_]

We have it all on file.

Good point, we don't have a forum, so I'll have to figure a way to get the info seen.

[Tyranosourus]

Okay thank you. Because somehow my team got signed up in it, and I don't know who signed us in and what people they signed into it. Thanks hunter =)

[XeliN]

This thread is one giant popcorn fest, hugely enjoyable although reading it has turned me slightly communist.

Great news on a new tournament though, should be fun to watch and looking at the brackets going to be some gd games.

[BadaBing]

This thread is a joke and I really don't understand why Hunter feels the urge to tell how much better they are than GR. Judging from this thread, both parties got a long way to go. Going as far as discussing a private email from another CEO is just unprofessionalism 101.

Stop fueling the "fire". Prove that you are the best by delivering a product that is better and for gods sake stop acting like 12 year olds. The community sucks as it is, that last thing we need is the tournament organizers acting like spoiled little kids as well.

[Vievi]

Going as far as discussing a private email from another CEO is just unprofessionalism 101.

You want unprofessionalism? Try sending that email in the first place.

[BadaBing]

You want unprofessionalism? Try sending that email in the first place.

This is exactly what I'm talking about.

Stop acting like kids. "OMG HE STARTED :(((".

Step it up a notch. You don't have to act like punkass kids, just because the community or other CEOs are. It only makes you look dumb and will do more harm than good to the community.

[Con88]

You want unprofessionalism? Try sending that email in the first place.

I lol'd!

[XeliN]

It must be fun trying to be falsely nice and contained in order to come across well whilst secretly wishing you could hire monkeys to throw poop at each others houses.

[Galam]

It must be fun trying to be falsely nice and contained in order to come across well whilst secretly wishing you could hire monkeys to throw poop at each others houses.

Welcome to planet Earth.

[Milks]

waah waaaah waaaaaaaah

fixed

[YawningAngel]

GUYS why arre u even talking about this

game replays will transfer their focus to sc2 when it comes out, cos they we'rent stupid enough to make a game-specific organisation name:)

can't wait~ the new aos map is gonna b awesome
Thanks for telling us what we're going to be doing. The HoN crew are, as far as I'm aware, sticking with hon.

[YawningAngel]

GUYS why arre u even talking about this

game replays will transfer their focus to sc2 when it comes out, cos they we'rent stupid enough to make a game-specific organisation name:)

can't wait~ the new aos map is gonna b awesome
Thanks for telling us what we're going to be doing. The HoN crew are, as far as I'm aware, sticking with hon. I reckon he'd be a decent surprise pick for a ganking lineup.

[Skellington]

I lol'd!

The irony in here is astonishing.

[HappyGilmore]

This topic is funny indeed. Especially because now honcast looks pretty weak with this tournament being hosted: http://www.mymym.com/en/news/18496.html

No more reason to whine at eachother with that around I guess. :)

[HunteR_]

Hehe! I'll show you WEAK! :)

PS. Look at the 3rd highest backlinker for the article only matched by official hon forums and facebook ;)

! Sup

[Tyranosourus]

Hey so when do we start picking our players for the tourney? Any word?

[kizzles]

Is it too late to signup???????

[TurpinoS]

Brackets are already up for the first Honcast tourney, so yes registration are closed.

There will be 7 others though so, way enough chance to get into one.



Sidenote : any update on the possibility to check our rosters/modify them ??

[wza]

So after reading this thread ill give you an outsiders view looking in

One GR content sucks and Hcast doesnt.

But Hunter regardless of your claims that your time slot had nothing to do with GR tourny, is bullshit and we all know it.

I cant pretend to know your intentions but the way things look, it looks like you want to push GR out and take the spot light. Not saying thats the truth just the way it looks.

From a customer standpoint I will stick with Honcast because its content I care about not all this other bullshit. But I think of hunter like a slick politician. Hes whispers sweet nothings in your ear while his hand is stealing your wallet.

Again hunter is probably a decent guy but from the standpoint of someone with no bias he comes off as someone untrustworthy.

As for all the LOAD and 5 guys taking Honcast side in this. Well they all buddied up in san fran and even this tourny layout was probably mostly sugguested ideas from LOAD, so I can see why they are taking up with it because it is a better system.

You cant blame them for siding with the winning horse

All in all competition is good and I would rather go with the site that is in it for the money because people who do stuff for free eventually drop quality, while people who are making a buck want to keep quality up.

my suggestion to GR is to drop your current system, match the honcast system, and give them a run for their money

[Vievi]

@ath.

They've gone with the system after we at Neva tried it out, and it seemed to be extremely efficient, effective and popular with the teams. :)

[HunteR_]

I think you're giving me too much credit for the success of honcast.

It takes a team.

[Fuga]

If Honcast does it better than GR, they should get the "prime" slot. Anyone suggesting that Honcast should simply pick a new day for their tournament should listen to their own advice: if GR tournaments are relatively unattended on Sundays (because everyone's playing in the Honcast tournaments), they should pick a new day. On the other hand if Honcast's tournament ends up being a flop, they will pick a new day as well.

Ultimately GR has had a humongous amount of time to get their act together and the fact that they're still posting their VoDs through YouTube links on their forums is just shameful. Not to mention all the drama with their completely unprofessional and downright rude/offensive shoutcasters and time delays...
what? youtube owns more than some buggy new videoplayer where you cant even skip to the part you want.
i still love honcast btw but damn.. are there really no opensource videoplayers

[Fuga]

wow after reading this thread gr seem like a bunch of dicks.
insanerabby go to hcst