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F1
04-21-2010, 07:42 AM
Model Aspire G7710 Predator Processor Intel Core i7 940 Processor
(2.93GHz, 8MB Smart Cache) Chipset Intel X58 Chipset
Memory 6GB DDR3 Display Screen 24" G24 LCD monitor (1920 x 1200) Video Type Nvidia Geforce GTS150
Video Memory 1GB VRAM
Hard Disk 1TB SATA II HDD 7200rpm Optical Drive Built-in 16x SuperMulti Optical Drive with LabelFlash technology
Built-in 4x Blue-Ray ROM Drive Audio High definition audio with 7.1 with EAX 4.0 support, Optimize dolby Home theater audio enhancement
External Stereo speaker Operating System Windows Vista Home Premium 64bit
Network Interface Built-in gigabit Ethernet Modem 56KB modem Accessories Logitech G11 Gaming Keyboard and G5 Laser Mouse Dimensions 490 x 430 x 190 mm Power Supply Delta 750 Watts I/O Ports 14-in-1 card reader / 4 USB 2.0 front & 4 USB 2.0 Back / 1 microphone in / 1 headphone/line-out / 1TV out / 1394 IEEE / 2 eSATA port / 2 RJ 45 jack / 6 audio jack / 1 S/PDIF jack / 1 Clear CMOS / 2 DVI port

AngryGanker
04-21-2010, 07:43 AM
You'll be able to run HoN at a pinch

RogerDodger
04-21-2010, 07:44 AM
Is that a pre-built desktop?

What is your budget, what country are you buying it from?

Coopse
04-21-2010, 07:45 AM
Pre-built, how much can you spend?

Edit: Fk you Rog

RogerDodger
04-21-2010, 07:46 AM
You got Rog'd

F1
04-21-2010, 07:46 AM
Philippines, I can probably buy from America and just ship it here. Budget of about $5000 max . Too lazy to build it myself.
Looking for something that can run recent and future games.

RogerDodger
04-21-2010, 07:48 AM
Five Thousand US Dollars?

That would probably get you anything that isn't extremely extravagant (as in 3 LCD monitors with 24 SSDs on RAID).

F1
04-21-2010, 07:51 AM
Haven't bought something new(and expensive) in awhile, so my parents are okay with buying a top end computer.
So, what do you think about the computer I posted, worth $2800 or would I get a better deal elsewhere?

cute
04-21-2010, 07:52 AM
Step one:
Buy Computer
Step Two:
Throw it out the window (Do people in the Philippines have windows? If not see Step 1.5)
Step 1.5:
Get a window

AngryGanker
04-21-2010, 07:53 AM
Step 3: ????

Step 4: Profit

F1
04-21-2010, 07:57 AM
Go troll General Beta.
Yes, I have windows and all that's needed in a house. (Along with a few luxuries ;))

AngryGanker
04-21-2010, 07:59 AM
Go troll General Beta.


Aye aye Capt'n

cute
04-21-2010, 08:17 AM
Go troll General Beta.
Yes, I have windows and all that's needed in a house. (Along with a few luxuries ;))
get out of my OT

NrFive
04-21-2010, 08:25 AM
I'd get an extra hdd, just in case one of them dies. (I recently had that happening to me... twice on different computers)

Overall it looks good, a better GFX can be used, but I would not push that atm. For the couple of years it will hold and you can upgrade it later on for a lot less money then.

Edit:
And if possible get an extra screen... once you go dual screen, you'll never go back.... really

RogerDodger
04-21-2010, 08:30 AM
For $2800 I think that computer is pretty trashy. Although I guess it gets value for being prebuilt. Do you know how good the PSU is? You can get '750W' PSUs that melt when you put anything over 400 into them.

Archack
04-21-2010, 08:33 AM
The computer is just fine, and the video card will easily run Heroes of Newerth. Yes, it will run Crysis as well, as it should be just a little worse than the Radeon HD 4850. What I am a little more worried about, is the actual value you get from this (I don't know the price). The Intel i7 940 is expensive, and it would be a much better idea to switch it with a i7 920 and put in a beefier video card, if it is gaming performance you're looking for. But that may not be possible, considering this is a prebuilt rig.

I'm also a little worried about the memory, it is most likely cheap no-name memory, so don't expect quality. And god, i can't stand being not able to choose, and here you can't even choose what keyboard/mouse to get. :/

Also consider getting a SSD and install your OS on this. An Intel x25m gen2 80 GB should be fine, unless you find a great offer for something else or want more space. A litte pricey, and you must install it yourself (SHOULD be no problem at all, unless Acer has some anti-upgrade policy going on), but the speed bonus you get from such a device with normal computer usage, easily makes it the best the best upgrade for your rig.

EDIT: At $2800, this computer has a very, very bad price/performance-ratio.

F1
04-21-2010, 11:22 AM
I guess I can try to build my own pc(read:ask someone to build it for me ), Any idea which new processor and video card are the most cost efficient to get?

Archack
04-21-2010, 12:30 PM
I guess an i7 920 or 860 are good choices. The 920 is socket 1366 and therefore have triple channel memory (= faster memory). But the motherboard and memory is also more expensive. An 860 is socket 1156, and you will lose the triple channel, but you get cheaper motherboards and memory. Alternatively you can go for an AMD rig with a Phenom II X4 955 BE, as it gives great performance for the money. Motherboards are also cheap (and cheerful). You also have the i5 750 instead of the i7 860, which will give you a cheaper LGA1156 rig.

As for video card, I suggest a Radeon HD 5850/5870 if you have some money to use (will still be cheaper than that computer you found). Or if you just want to play safe, go for an HD 5770, as it gives great value for money. If you do so, it would be a good idea to choose one of the cheaper CPUs (the i5-750 or Phenom II 955).

I obviously don't know you budget for the computer alone, but I honestly don't think you should go any higher than the Radeon Hd 5850. I don't think the price difference to 5870 is too big, however, so it should be an OK choice anyway. The 5890 is currently the best card you can get, if you want to go all out. I'd skip the newest Nvidias, as they just get too hot and/or have a poor price/performance ratio.

The 5770 is actually also a very good choice, and I think it would be a great idea to just go for that and one of the cheaper CPUs. You see, in a year's time, you can get that computer for 40-60 % of the price you paid today ... That's why you should never go all out and buy quad-SLI rig with the best Intel extreme edition you can find. It is plain overkill for all current games, and once the cheaper rig starts to struggle with the newest game, you just buy a new computer or upgrade it. It will end up much cheaper. The trick is to find a balance between good enough performance for the next 2-3 years or so, while still not going completely over-board.

Sagat
04-21-2010, 02:00 PM
Very trashy for that price.

I'd recommend waiting for AMD's hexacore processors - that will really stir things up.
Graphics wise a HD5850 or a HD5770 are the only plausible choices, really. Maybe a HD5870.

Archack
04-21-2010, 02:21 PM
Very trashy for that price.

I'd recommend waiting for AMD's hexacore processors - that will really stir things up.
Graphics wise a HD5850 or a HD5770 are the only plausible choices, really. Maybe a HD5870.

Yeah, that is an option. Although you will see a nice plummeting in prices once the new processors arrive (or shortly before), it is actually very hard to predict if it really matters. Intel and AMD both seem to drop the prices steadily, until they release their new models. So don't think think too much about it. There is ALWAYS something better coming out in a short time, but if you always take that in account when buying a new computer, you'll never end up with one.

As for video cards, I may have been a little biased in my opinions. Nvidia Geforce GTX 260 gives good value for money. It is slightly better than the Radeon HD 5770.

Ubuntu
04-21-2010, 03:06 PM
Just a newegg build that I cooked up for you. This build will literally outperform the computer you linked by a factor of 5:1. (In the GFX department). I have also included two HDs (a SSD for the OS and the applications, and a secondary 1 TB drive for movies/music/pictures.

Antec Nine Hundred Two Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
$109.99


Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5"
$99.99


HIS H587F1GDG Radeon HD 5870 (Cypress XT) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI
$449.99


CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready
$109.99


G.SKILL 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Triple
$169.99


ASUS P6X58D Premium LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
$299.99

Intel Core i7-920 Bloomfield 2.66GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor
$279.99

XIGMATEK Intel Core i7 compatible Dark Knight-S1283V 120mm Long Life
$44.96


OCZ Vertex Turbo OCZSSD2-1VTXT60G 2.5" 60GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
$219.00


Subtotal: $1,783.89

NrFive
04-22-2010, 04:47 AM
wow thats even a better build Charliehorse.

I'd go with that OP :)

Sagat
04-22-2010, 08:38 AM
As for video cards, I may have been a little biased in my opinions. Nvidia Geforce GTX 260 gives good value for money. It is slightly better than the Radeon HD 5770.
Well, it isn't. It's hotter, noisier, and lacks features like DX11. I also doubt it'll be better than the 5770 after the 10.3/10.4 Catalyst drivers.

RogerDodger
04-22-2010, 08:44 AM
Any graphics card that costs more than 400 dollars will play any game made in the next 2 years.

F0Sh1ZZL3
04-22-2010, 08:49 AM
I'd swap the 940 for a 920 or even go i5 (people report better performance in games). I'd swap the vidcard for a better one like the radeon 5870 or the GeForce 285/290 GTX. I think you'll find the changes to be more oprtimal for games.

Archack
04-22-2010, 10:34 AM
Well, it isn't. It's hotter, noisier, and lacks features like DX11. I also doubt it'll be better than the 5770 after the 10.3/10.4 Catalyst drivers.

It is noisier during load, but apart from that, the differences are minimal. DX11 is nice, but if it ends up like DX10, you'll need a couple of 5970s to draw the most out of your games. I also doubt you will earn much from the Catalyst driver. Yeah, AMD was going to catch up to Intel with the first batch of Phenoms. Heh. Anyway, there is not much separating the cards considering all the pros and cons. But to be honest, the 5770 would probably be a better choice because of lower noise and cost (at the expense of some performance). At least that would be my choice of those two.

Sagat
04-22-2010, 10:43 AM
It is noisier during load, but apart from that, the differences are minimal.
It still ends up to be several ten dollars a year in just power consumption in idle.


DX11 is nice, but if it ends up like DX10, you'll need a couple of 5970s to draw the most out of your games.
DX10 was hard to implement. DX11 is babystep.

I also doubt you will earn much from the Catalyst driver.
Then I'll have to doubt your hardware knowledge, in that case. GTX260's were quite bad performers until nvidia buffed them with awesome drivers. Same applies to the HD5850 series - I've got at least 5 FPS more in Crysis on very high since 9.10.


Yeah, AMD was going to catch up to Intel with the first batch of Phenoms.
I really don't care about brands. I look what performs the best and then put it relative to other factors (noise, power consumption etc).


Heh. Anyway, there is not much separating the cards considering all the pros and cons. But to be honest, the 5770 would probably be a better choice because of lower noise and cost (at the expense of some performance). At least that would be my choice of those two.
Which is why it is my choice too, minus the "at the expense of some performance" part.

RogerDodger
04-22-2010, 10:47 AM
Once you start spending upwards of $1500 the rest of the money should be spent on purely reliability. There's not many things you won't be able to do with a $1500 computer that you can with a $5000 one, so if you're spending more money just make sure the bucket doesn't explode within the next 5 years.