PUB STOMPING Scout a Professional Guide!!!

[dota`_`]

http://clans.heroesofnewerth.com/loading.gifIts SCOUT!!! And his Best Guide xD http://www.heroesofnewerth.com/images/items/Item_Cheese.jpg V 0.3.3.2
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(Team Raged :O)



Contents:http://www.gamereplays.org/community/replaysystem/games_files/58/armies/scout.pnghttp://www.gamereplays.org/community/replaysystem/games_files/58/armies/scout.png


Intro

How 2 get started

Placing Eyes

Buying your Items

??Why get Ghost Marchers and Lifesteal??

When to activate Ghost Marchers

Early Ganking and Team Fights

How to Farm (with Scout)

Abusing the Runes

Good Allies

Bad Enemies



Intro


This is a VERY DETAILED GUIDE for experienced players. People think that scout is for noobs only I have even heard quotes as being a ?useless hero?. However, this is incorrect; I believe if played well scout is the most overpowered hero in HoN. Scout is absolutely crazy! He has FREE WARDS & silence (so good) ;) !! Permanent invisibility, Speed +25% and a flurry which is wtf OP!! 3 great skills in 1 (best non ulti skill in the game). He also has critical strike with a disarming ability (which makes him an insane carry). His final move is his ulti which is great for KSing to obtain gold to become the l8 game carry, his ulti can also be used in team or group fights as an initiation.


Skill build
1. Eye
2. Vanish
3. Eye
4. Vanish
5. Eye
6. Marksman Shot
7. Vanish/Eye
8. Vanish
9. Disarm/Vanish
10. Disarm
11. Disarm
12. Disarm
13. Marksman Shot/Disarm
14. Eye/Marksman Shot
15. Status
16. Marksman Shot
↓Status↓

How 2 get started


If your team lets you solo mid! Otherwise if not get these items:
2Xhttp://www.heroesofnewerth.com/images/items/Item_RunesOfTheBlight.jpg http://www.heroesofnewerth.com/images/items/Item_LoggersHatchet.jpg3X http://www.heroesofnewerth.com/images/items/Item_MinorTotem.jpg

OR if the other team has strong lanners/ heavy harassers get this, as it will supply you with extra regen:
3Xhttp://www.heroesofnewerth.com/images/items/Item_RunesOfTheBlight.jpghttp://www.heroesofnewerth.com/images/items/Item_LoggersHatchet.jpg2Xhttp://www.heroesofnewerth.com/images/items/Item_MinorTotem.jpg
Now if you are going to solo middle get thishttp://www.heroesofnewerth.com/images/items/Item_Bottle.jpg. However if you do NOT solo mid if don?t have access to a curior. If you randomed scout you can buy one yourself.

Placing Eyes


Make sure that you buy your items quickly so that you have time to place wards. You will be placing your first two wards at the runes to help out your solo so place one ward here.

http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/6911/14231786.jpg

And the other here

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/200/12279567.jpg

In your Lane

The first thing you will need to do is check if your laning partner has any Wards of Revelation or Dust.

Make sure to continue getting all the last hits as possible by dragging the creeps in your lane buy right clicking enemy Heroes. If your lane is very bad make sure to continually creep pull or swap a lane. If you are Legion go bottom if you are Hellborne go top. At level 3 you will place your third ward in these locations depending on your lane.

Top Lane
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This spot is very useful you can see if they are trying to gank you when you are laning or creep pulling

Middle Lane
http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/9652/82952846.jpg

You will be able to see the position of the other hero in your lane making it easier 2 harass with your ulti. You will also be able to see if any other Heroes might be coming to gank from bottom lane

Bottom Lane
http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/1223/65952275.jpg

You need to see if they are coming to gank you

NOTE: as you switch lanes thought the game destroy these ward positions and place them in these spots depending on your lane.

You will get another level of Electric Eye just so you can silence when you need to.

If for some reason you are Top as Legion or bottom for Hellborne you should max out wards at level 7 so that you have another ward and it can be placed here

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Or here

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These positions will cancel creep spawn in these locations making it impossible for them to creep pull. However do not worry about this strategy if they have the stronger lane i.e. there is no reason for them to pull.

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It can also be a wise idea to ward Kongor when you get your final ward.


Buying your Items

If you are middle purchase a hatchet straight away with the curior then use him to constantly purchase the following items. Also don?t forget to purchase some space filling minor totems.

There are two different builds you should get for scout for his mana upkeep. You could get a Ruined Axe in moist cases, but if they have mostly hard armored Heroes you can take advantage of the best item in the game the Harkon?s Blade.

If you are getting Ruined Axe

You will get your items from the Goblin Shop if you are bottom/top. Your first item should be a Lifetube so that you can continue to regain health. If you have access to a curior buy boots as your next item, if not then ignore them until you return to your base. Also if you feel like the minor totems dont give enough status you can buy a couple of Fortified Bracelets which is needed (early game) if they have heavy nukers or stunners.

http://www.heroesofnewerth.com/images/items/Item_Strength5.jpg http://www.heroesofnewerth.com/images/items/Item_Strength5.jpg

Now get these items:

2. Manatube http://www.heroesofnewerth.com/images/items/Item_Regen.jpg (complete your Sustainer)

3. Whispering Helm/Ghost Marchers http://www.heroesofnewerth.com/images/items/Item_WhisperingHelm.jpg/http://www.heroesofnewerth.com/images/items/Item_EnhancedMarchers.jpg

4. Finish Ruined Axe http://www.heroesofnewerth.com/images/items/Item_Splash.jpg

5. Brutalizer/Shrunken Head (if needed) http://www.heroesofnewerth.com/images/items/Item_Brutalizer.jpg/http://www.heroesofnewerth.com/images/items/Item_Immunity.jpg
Total cost 10800

After this you can get your luxury items your choice (All work very well!) ;)

http://www.heroesofnewerth.com/images/items/Item_Evasion.jpg http://www.heroesofnewerth.com/images/items/Item_Damage9.jpg http://www.dotallyrad.com/images/items/Nullfire_Bladeitem.gif http://www.heroesofnewerth.com/images/items/Item_Pierce.jpg http://www.heroesofnewerth.com/images/items/Item_StrengthAgility.jpg http://www.heroesofnewerth.com/images/items/Item_Freeze.jpg http://www.heroesofnewerth.com/images/items/Item_HarkonsBlade.jpghttp://www.heroesofnewerth.com/images/items/Item_Lightning2.jpghttp://www.heroesofnewerth.com/images/items/Item_LifeSteal4.jpg

If early on you decide to get a Harkon's Blade instead of a ruined axe then you should get your build like this

1. Helm of the Victim http://www.heroesofnewerth.com/images/items/Item_HelmOfTheVictim.jpg (this is instead of the life tube used in your axe)

2. Scarabhttp://www.heroesofnewerth.com/images/items/Item_Scarab.jpg


3. Ghost Marchers/Hungry Spirit http://www.heroesofnewerth.com/images/items/Item_EnhancedMarchers.jpg/http://www.heroesofnewerth.com/images/items/Item_HungrySpirit.jpg

4. Finish your Great Arcana and then your Harkon?s Blade http://www.heroesofnewerth.com/images/items/Item_Weapon1.jpg→http://www.heroesofnewerth.com/images/items/Item_HarkonsBlade.jpg

5. Brutalizer http://www.heroesofnewerth.com/images/items/Item_Brutalizer.jpg

Total cost 11550 (in this build you do not have as much damage however the boots helmet Harkon?s and brutalizer?s combined bonus damage will give you a total of an extra 99 true damage since you are using Harkon?s blade)
Now you can get your luxury items same as before


??Why get Ghost Marchers and Lifesteal??

The reason I get Ghost Marchers goes back to my 5 main items. You could get Frostburn instead of Brutalizer however the Brutilizer will completely disable your opponent and not just slow them a bit. This makes it a lot more useful in team fights. Now let?s compare Brutalizer and Frostburn.

Frostburn http://www.heroesofnewerth.com/images/items/Item_StrengthAgility.jpg (4500)
+21 agility
+30 attack speed
+10 damage
+21 strength
+14% movement speed
15% slow on attack for 2.5 seconds

Brutalizerhttp://www.heroesofnewerth.com/images/items/Item_Brutalizer.jpg(3100) much cheaper

30 damage
6 strength
25% chance to stun for 1.4 seconds and deal +25 bonus damage (this ability is great for scout as his flurry almost always stuns)

So if you decided to get Frostburn with steam boots your movement speed while vanished will be 521. But with Ghost Marchers and vanish it will be 522. The difference in speed is not important but the cost is, you will save 1350 gold just from getting Ghost Marchers and Brutalizer, opposed to Frosburn and steamboots.

You need to take in to concideration however that the brutalizer will actually stun your opponent which is what can be the difference between two late game carrys.

However you can get Steamboots and frostburne instead of ghost marchers and brutalizer if thats how you play.

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You need to run!

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No problem you can run away at maximum movement speed but be careful you are not invisible while you have Ghost Marchers active you're just really fast). This is just how you can easily avoid ganks.

Ok now this is why I think lifesteal is a must! It only costs 1850 and it allows you to take on Ancients and stack Ancients using your dominated creep. The regen from the Ruined Axe alone is not enough to jungle which is something you need to do. Your converted creeps can also be used to help you solo Kongor.

Jungling conists of constant movement between creep camps. Using ghost marchers is a fantastic way to gain some extra speed from camp to camp. Your Vanish will reguarly be on cooldown as you would be spamming your flurry but the ghost marchers should often be avalible to take advantage of when you are moveing.


When to activate Ghost Marchers

Never activate while you are vanished it is stupid. Activate them then go into vanish and use it to run faster when chasing i.e. flurry then activate to chase them until you can Vanish again. You need Ghost Marchers opposed to Steamboots as the added damage greatly increases the damage of your critical strikes and your overall flurry damage.


Early Ganking and TeamFights
(you always need to check if they have wards/an eye/dust before the gank)


I would suggest avoid ganking if you are mid as you need to be continuously farming. However this does not mean you have to avoid it if you think that you can kill the hero. Ulti then vanish quickly activate Ghost Marchers to keep up with the hero and nail the last few hits on the hero if you get enough criticals or help from an ally you should be able to kill them. Also make sure that you are not going to be ganked by always checking your wards.

In early team fights you should ulti to initiate or to kill fleeing Heroes. You should be bashing on Heroes constantly during the fight, while making sure that they are not targeting you as you are squishy.

If your team fight goes successfully then you need to straight away start pushing until your team seams to be a threate again. Scout is a very good pusher when using his flurry on biuldings and creeps.


How to Farm (with Scout)

Once you get your Whispering Helm (using Whispering Helm you will get a lot more gold in the end then if you do not) you are ready to start jungling this is a very important role for scout. If the lane becomes to far pushed or you are being ganked just simply go jungling make sure to always check your wards. If you can farm and last hit well you should make 400+ gold a minute, meaning you will have got your 4 core items in 27 minutes and are ready to carry your team to victory. Don?t forget to stack creeps and Ancients to.

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As seen from the image above a Ruined Axe allows you to run down lanes whilst flurrying all the creeps to death in one go earning you a lot of gold.

This video shows you how to correctly farm with scout I achieved 570+ gold a minute(I didn?t stack Ancients this game cuz I was 2 lazy xD). You can see that I wasn?t stupid or greedy and only died once at the very end you NEED to play it safe or this could cost you the game!! Also please notice how I put all my time into farming as this is how you need to play scout.

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Abusing the Runes

It is very important if you are middle to abuse Runes you have your Eyes up so you will no where the rune is. You need to beat your enemy to the rune though so every 2 minutes make sure you have an empty bottle and vanish is not on cool down. You will need to vanish w8 for 0.5 seconds to fade and then run to the rune you should be invisible already as soon as the rune is up (don?t forget to activate Ghost Marchers if you have them even though they will make you visible). The regen from bottling runes is the only reason to why scout can mid.


Good Allies
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These two heros are great as allies they are the best heros to be in your lane as they will babysit u allowing you to get every last hit while they keep the enemy away. Also there abilities are very good and will help greatly in team fights. Shamen can also heal ;) !
http://www.heroesofnewerth.com/images/heroes/12/icon_128.jpg

His aura is very useful early game but his slow and stun is more important altogether as you need them for ganks and team fights.
http://www.heroesofnewerth.com/images/heroes/89/icon_128.jpg

He will make you invulnerable and can keep you healed and immune to magic.
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Team disables you are free to bash on every1.
http://www.heroesofnewerth.com/images/heroes/21/icon_128.jpg

Disablers will help out your flurry in ganks.
http://www.heroesofnewerth.com/images/heroes/36/icon_128.jpg

This is your best friend literally her ultimate will save you and she is the best early game hero she will look after your whole team until you are farmed up and ready to carry.




Bad Enemies

It doesn?t really matter who your enemies are as some can annoy you early game as long as you get a shrunken head you will be fine. However, Pandemonium and Tempest can still be really annoying

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You also need to watch out for slows but most can be countered with a Shrunken Head (not Arachna)

http://www.heroesofnewerth.com/images/heroes/122/icon_128.jpghttp://www.heroesofnewerth.com/images/heroes/92/icon_128.jpghttp://www.heroesofnewerth.com/images/heroes/93/icon_128.jpghttp://www.heroesofnewerth.com/images/heroes/43/icon_128.jpghttp://www.heroesofnewerth.com/images/heroes/95/icon_128.jpg

Pesti can go through your invis (like dust but can see you wherever you go)

Nukers are NOT a worry just make sure to get a Shrunken Head and some Bracers though.

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[sneakysob]

i stopped reading when u said you get ghost marchers

[dota`_`]

haha you need to read why I get the ghost marchers

[TheJoo]

"let's get ghost marchers for 1 MS point"
Ehh...no.

[Skull4er]

ghost marchers suck

brutalizer is even worse

runed axe is more efficient if accquiered early. therefore not delaying it with finishing boots or whispering helm ---->go straight for it!

but you get +1 for the detailled ward placing pictures, those are really nice.

[dota`_`]

@Skul4er

Ghost marchers can be good if used well (i showed you how)

Brutilizer is one of the best items you can get in a PUB game (Pubstomping) when your team does not pick ideal disablers as it gives you the oppertunity to overpower any other carry. This is why cronos ulti is so amazing!! also notice how it is the last core item I buy

And... Ruined Axe does not matter when you purchase it because it will become more powerfull as you do. And the other items I purchase b4 it are more important early on like your ghost marchers to move faster (i.e. avoid ganks) and the whispering helm to start stacking ancients earlier. The only part of the axe that i would say is a must early is its sustainer and you can notice how i purchased that first.

Hope that wasnt a 2 long a reply -_- plz no more stupid rebutts

[pk_thunder]

your frostburn is off by a lot
http://www.hondb.com/?item=frostburn
+21 str
+21 agi
+10 dmg
+30 atk speed
+14% movement speed

15% slow on impact for 2.5 seconds


this will in fact make u go max movement speed invis with steamboots =.=
(basically ur comparison failed, soz :S)

and imo it's best to rush a runed axe so u'll have a easier time to farm

[dota`_`]

@pk thunder
Yes you are right they are wrong I got my results from http://www.heroesofnewerth.com/items.php?sid=9 17/04/10 must be outdated i guess
I will change the context of the guide. However the movespeed is still 521. with Steamboots and Frostburn.

[pk_thunder]

@pk thunder
Yes you are right they are wrong I got my results from http://www.heroesofnewerth.com/items.php?sid=9 17/04/10 must be outdated i guess
I will change the context of the guide. However the movespeed is still 521. with Steamboots and Frostburn.
u don't believe me? (I can't tell, but if u don't go to a game and check)

1 movement speed doesn't matter (how many heroes can go 522 at will anyways?), and how come the math didn't change because of 12% and 14%? were u using false data on purpose?
(I did check it and u r right, but you do know that 1. ghost marchers have a cd 2. frostburn makes u hit harder and gives survivability 3. you shouldn't 1v1 carries in the first place, scout is just too fragile with invis has his survival skill)

it seems like the site didn't add the bonus it gives when they are fused together...

[iaguz]

Steamboots. Why? You NEED the +10 str to stay alive. Scout is a very brittle hero, and whilst you don't need him to be a tank, you definitely need him to survive the occasional nuke that gets thrown his way.

Second, you RUSH battlefury. If you're 20 mins in and you don't HAVE battlefury, then you're doing it wrong! Well, at the least you're not doing it correctly. You get it before boots if you're daring.

Third, a power supply. If you're going to put money into a fort bracelet; don't. Put it in a power supply instead. Uses up your early minor totems and it's pretty much one of the best items in the game. Then get a fort bracelet if your really want, but I cannot stress how good power supplies are and how mandatory they are on almost every hero.

After you get your runed axe I usually go for the Shrunken head. Scout deals WTF-loads of damage but what's more important is staying alive for it. Of course if the enemy team lacks a certain amount of disables and nukes (or at least not ones a bkb would stop) then skip the bkb and go frostburn instead. The shrunken head is also one of the best items you can get.

And personally I max disarm before eyes (obviously I go eyes first!) because I do like the extra crits for farming and when some mother****er just has to die, but also because Scout has such a small amount of burst damage pre-farmed. His ulti sucks at lvl 6, his auto attack damage isn't anything special so his flurry is a bit eh, you really need some disarm to get those kills (assuming one is nicely set up for you).

[dota`_`]

I got my origional movement speed reading from the game itself. But I got the items properties from the website as i didnt wont to write them down. Who says i dont belive you and, about what?

I also know that ghost marchers has a cooldown and this is why i reffer to it in my jungling section. but the gain from the status of frostburn is nothing to what you can achive to a stunned hero. But really its not about soloing Heros if you stun the hero in a team fight your whole team is going to benifit. I was simply stating that he would over power in a 1v1 scenario. I also stated in my guide that "The difference in speed is not important but the cost is".

[pk_thunder]

I got my origional movement speed reading from the game itself. But I got the items properties from the website as i didnt wont to write them down. Who says i dont belive you and, about what?

I also know that ghost marchers has a cooldown and this is why i reffer to it in my jungling section. but the gain from the status of frostburn is nothing to what you can achive to a stunned hero. But really its not about soloing Heros if you stun the hero in a team fight your whole team is going to benifit. I was simply stating that he would over power in a 1v1 scenario. I also stated in my guide that "The difference in speed is not important but the cost is".
it seemed like sarcasm to me, but frostburn has been like that since 1.61

a 1.4 second stun isn't really that good
a slow is much better to gank squishy heroes and feed off of em
basher is just a crap item, it doesn't give enough stats
the cost is? did u not notice the +16 str (compared to brutalizer) it gives? did u not see the +21 agi it gives!? movement speed plus is lasted forever, which is more beneifcal than +1 movement speed every 1 seconds out of 2 (and that's if u keep it activated), it even breaks stealth, which is counter-synergy. it even gives +30 atk speed, which is nice for farming and killing (u can atk fast, so u can probably get 2 hits in rather than 1, not counter in bash/slow). it's not like u're gonna count on ur stun to stop magmus or something, cus then ur doing it wrong, horribly.

also don't need to farm a 1400g + 1150g items



And personally I max disarm before eyes (obviously I go eyes first!) because I do like the extra crits for farming and when some mother****er just has to die, but also because Scout has such a small amount of burst damage pre-farmed. His ulti sucks at lvl 6, his auto attack damage isn't anything special so his flurry is a bit eh, you really need some disarm to get those kills (assuming one is nicely set up for you).
I actually like a lvl of ult early so I can scare away pushers (ult them, right before ult goes off cancel it, repeat 2 times, go back farming)

[MintPanda1]

To pubstomp with Scout, you simply buy a bottle and go mid. If not, building a Scout like you did is going to spread rage around the world (literally). I'm tired of seeing Scouts being built like this.

[Shikadi]

Runed Axe first. Only buy Marchers while completing. Otherwise, don't even bother. The sooner oyu get Runed Axe, the sooner you put constant pressure solo pushing lanes and gaining a shitload of money in the process (to also complete Steamboots yes STEAMBOOTS and Whispering Helm damn quick).

Ghost Marchers... just no. No explanation needed, Steamboots are far superior. Others have already justified it anyway.

[lolwtfbbqq]

Good troll is good.

[Twiggie]

you write a guide to experienced players on how to pubstomp as scout?

its really not that hard.

also, you should build frostburn and shieldbreaker and switch attack modifiers. bind next and previous to your extra mouse buttons and its easy. just swap to shieldbreaker every 4th or 5th attack.

[Donn]

soo....no savage mace?

[Gallifrey]

this is like the pro pubstomper guide for soul reaper.. go for codex, use it, combo with ulti, be happy about the kill...

[ShoobyDooby]

When I see a scout with marchers and lifesteal, I vomit. Seriously, your vanish gives you speed. Why do you need lifesteal, when you just flurry, kill, then get out of there?

[Nuf]

You can only make 3x ancient stacks now, does that matter?

[AzaeI]

ghost marchers are useless if you go for frostburn,
brutaliser can be not bad because it s cheap and you every time chain stun but some item like savage mace can be better i think, may be against few hero that can be good in luxory item
for me lifesteal is luxory item i dont need it at begin, you have good regen with your runed axe.

A lot of build can be good so may be it s not bad but i dont realy like your build.
Me i usually build Life tube, mana tube, marchers, runed axe, steamboots, savage mace or doombringer if we are winning, frostburn, whispering

If you want in public game you can try parasite -> brutaliser -> charged hammer, the problem with this build is that begin is hard you dont have regen hp and mana but in mid game you can be good.

[ReD_RuM`]

What do you guys think about getting Harkonen's on Scout as one of the last items you get in game? I tried it once, yes, i ate Soulstealer in less than 2 sec and in teamfight with R.axe its massive dmg .. but, still mana gets dangerously low...still sound bit stupid, but maybe there is some nice combo with it...

[levo]

hello good guide but i still dont like ghost marchers on scout, steam boots are better.
i guess you might need to update your guide due to new patch as s2 games changed life steal and it's an orb effect right now.

[WorstPlayer]

You cant solo pubstomp with Scout.... Play more semi-carries.

[Shipooki]

why you waste your time dude?

[Yunak]

A guide to make Scout even more hated (by your teammates that is). GJ

[pablofsi]

rofl harkon

[pk_thunder]

rofl harkon
legit and works
l2p

[NoCigar]

i read "see why i get ghost marchers and lifesteal"

then i went straight to comments for the rage ^^

if ur gonna go those items why not get codex, uber funz.

Pubstomp scout?

Rush whispering helm, jungle 25mins with eyes up to avoid ganks, buy doombringer, solo kongor, wipe team, buy second doombringer/shrunken head when lost token, rinse and repeat!

[sneakysob]

stopped reading when u suggested ghosts

[sneakysob]

legit and works
l2p

^ This.

Harkon isn't bad for scout, gj looking like a retard tho

[i_PANDA]

good guide GG

[Nuf]

It's called Runed Axe, ffs.

[Professional]

Sounds like a guide for the Professional

[Callihniel]

I love scount w/ codex ^^)b