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Aceswe
04-16-2010, 10:42 AM
Okay, its me again, this is my second hero. Thanks to samuel(Kneb) for coming up with the idea






Name: Trickster




Main Stat: Intelligence
Affiliation: Legion/Hellbourne


Story
Many years the mortal who many called "The Trickster" has wandered through the lands, living like a nomad and serving only himself and killing those who stood in his way. Even though the hellbourne has driven a constant war against eachother, the the trickster only fights for his own profit. But once again, the Trickster has taken up arms to fight. Because this time, the Legion/Hellbourne was the highest bidder.






Stats:
Attack type: Melee
Attack range: 115

Movement speed: 310
Armor: 1,2
Magic armor: 5

Strength: 19 /+2,2
Agility: 16 /+1,3
Intelligence: 21 /+2,3



A few sound ideas:
Voice: Whispering-ish, Man, Sinister.
Move:
"Silent..."
"I'm already there."
"Will you make up your mind...?"
"Perfect..."
"Like a shadow."


Attack:
"Slit their throats!"
"They will never see me coming."
"They are already dead."
"Hah! Pathetic..."


Select:
"What is it?"
"Yes...?"
"Silence!"
"I'm busy..."
"I can disappear, anytime."


Ultimate:
*Multiple voices takling at the same time*
"Die!" "Haha!" "Forward!" "Face me!"
*The real voice, louder and overwhelming the other voices*
"Hahahahahaha..."


Death:
*Some kind of scream* "Huaaaah!..."
"Avenge...me..."
"Fallen, into the enemies trap...ah..."
"Is this...the end...?"





Concept:
The trickster looks like your typical ninja. Tight black shirt, legs, black shoes, and a black hood where only the eyes are visible. He got a red headband tied around his head, and also a red band tied around his waist. His attacks are up close, using hidden knifes up his sleeves, which comes out when he strikes the unexpecting foe (Think assasins creed)




Idea:
Alright, this guy is a ganker and a little supportive i guess. He uses much tactics, so its hard to master him, but if you do, you could take on anyone. He tends to lure the enemies in a trap while he has blocked the exit routes. His Ultimate can also be used both for escaping as well as initiating and attacking.
(ULTIMATE PENDING)














---------- SKILLS ----------




[Q] Tripwire


Master of traps, he can make a makeshift trap in less than 5 seconds if he needs to. Setting the traps correctly can trigger a massive wave of stunning, giving you advantage you take down the foe.



Mana cost: 50


Cooldown: 10/7/4/1 seconds


Effect:
Places a string holder (Like scouts wards) at target location (Not closer than 100 from an enemy hero). When placed, if any other string holders are in radius of 200/300/400/500, spawns a String in between the holders.
The holders and string has invisibility.
The Holders and strings has a 100 radius sight.
If an enemy hero or creeps crosses the string, it breaks (also destroys the 2 holders connecting it) and drags target along the ground in the direction it was facing when crossing (Imagine the hero "tripping" over the wire) for 1 second.
After the drag, causes 2/2/3/3 second stun to target and applies "Revealed" for stun duration.
Allows a maximum of 2/4/6/8 Holders at the same time.


Funny comment:
Did i forget something?





Concept and idea:
Well imagine 2 of scouts wards, and a string in between them. if you palce 3 wards in a triangle around a hero, the strings also form a triangle (meaing one string can attach to several wards, if they are close enough. With this you can trap a stunned hero if youre quick enough to prevent them from escaping by putting tripwire around them. Smart eh?















[W] Firebomb


Ah, the firebomb. The Tricksters own little evil invention. You need to ignite it right before you throw it tho, so it takes a second or two to get it away. Causes fire damage to target.



Radius: 300


Range: 750


Mana cost: 75/125/175/225


Channeling time: 1 second


Deals: 50/75/100/125 Initial damage to target


Cooldown: 18/15/12/9


Effect:
After channeling, Throws firebomb at target location. The location is set on fire for 3/5/5/7 seconds, causing 10/20/30/40 Magic damage to enemy units in radius. The flaming ground applies "On fire!" to targest within its radiuswhich last for 3 seconds after leaving area.

"On fire!": Armor decreasing by 1/1/1,5/1,5 each second.





Funny comment:
HOT! HOT! Here you take it!






Concept:
The main idea is you get them stuck in a trap, then throw the fire bomb since its hard to hit a moving target with a channeling time needed. This also synergises with your aura.















[E] Focus


The Trickster is always fully prepared for the tasks ahead, giving him a cleansed mind and clear thinking. This way he easier finds the vital parts in the opponents armor which he strikes, got a chance to stun on hit. Hes peace and calm also inspires other allies nearby giving them increases attack speed.




Passive (Aura)


Radius: 300/400/500/600


Effect:
Applies "Ninja focus" to self and allied heroes within radius.
Adds a passive 10/20/20/30% attack bonus when attacking stunned targets.
Adds a passive 5/10/10/15% chance to ministun target on attack (Bash).
If the target is affected by "Firebomb", has a 15% of applying a 10% slow on target for 2 seconds and causing 15/30/45/60 extra damage to target.


"Ninja Focus":
Adds 2/4/6/8% attack speed increase.


Funny comment:
Peave, Love and Understanding.
(meditating) "Aooommmm..."















[R] Shadow Clones (Ultimate)


Years of practice in the art of decieving has learned the Trickster to create identical clones of himself, capable of placing 2 tripwires each.



Mana cost: 200250/250300/300350


Cooldown: 140/120/100


Effect:
Creates 12/34/56 clones. Applies debuff "Disguised" to self for 56/78/910 seconds. Each clone only has 1 ability, "tripwire" and has 100 mana. Each clones dies in 2 hits, has 510/1015/1520% of ninjas original damage and has 10/15/20% increased movement speed.
The ninja gains the ability "Possess". The ninja can target one of the clones and possess it, becoming it. But by using "Possess" all the other clones are destroyed.


"Disguised":
Silenced
Movement speed decreased by 35%
Invisible




Funny comment:
Schizofrenic...?









Alternate ulti ideas:
Have none at the moment, but please comment if you have ideas because some say the like the ulti and some dont.
Personaly i like it, but not so much that im not willing to change it.
So please feedback on that part!

















---------------- ITEMS ----------------



Items that would fit trickster would be Movement speed increasing items, attack speed, intelligence of course and in the end go for frostwolfs skull, nullfire stone.
This hero also brings use of the VERY underused Tabled of command!
If you are smart, you can use the push to push enemys into your tripwire for the stun!















Thats about it. I personaly think this hero would be very very funny to play ingame and i hope you guys think so to and vote yes in the poll!! And dont vote no just for the lack of cncept art haha i can draw you some if you tell me how to add images, because i dont know.


just remember ALL THE NUMBERS CAN BE CHANGED.
Just post what you think about the overall hero!


Constructive criticism plz!


Enjoy


//aceswe (edwin)






EDITS:
Tripwire tweaked. Always invis, 1 sec drag, 3 sec stun.
Firebomb semi-reworked. added some different variables, do make it less like a dull AoE.
Ultimate. Added suggestion by comment.
Name. Changed to Trickster
Grammar. Fixed some typos

EpicDream
04-16-2010, 11:01 AM
I do like the this concept of tripwire - seems to be very interesting in combination of tablet of command :D

At first i thought he must be very fast since lvl.1 to get a real advantage of tripwire, but the ulti rescued that negative point :)

Aceswe
04-16-2010, 11:23 AM
Cool! thanks for the support!
And when i thought of tripwire and tablet of command i lol'd too :D

Any special feelings about the numbers?

Peace

EpicDream
04-16-2010, 11:26 AM
Focus could be a bit stronger maybe - hm...
The manacosts of your Ultimate are a bit high maybe, but u set him up as INT so thats okay i think

I thought Ninjas were more depending to AGI ^^

Pease look at my suggestion too ^^ (shown in sig)

Aceswe
04-16-2010, 11:38 AM
yeah i didnt want to overpower focus, since it wil apply to your clones too and allies.
and yeah i put i kinda high so you cant like use it everytime someone ganks you because that would be a lil OP and as you said, he is int :)

what? you saying ninjas cant be smart?! >;(

ill look on ur sugg :P

ClusterBeky
04-16-2010, 11:42 AM
like your hero,but you use way to much i wire,i have some suggestion maybe it will help
I have seen a move ninja assassin and he can throw 100 shurikens in 5 sec.Maybe if want to do this T-up BTW

Aceswe
04-16-2010, 12:17 PM
thanks!! i agree about the wires, but you have to place them strategicly to make the useful!
and its only a total of 4 tripwires total (8 wards but u need 2 for 1 tripwire)

that would be a cool ulti or something, but i feel it wont fit my cincept :S cool idea tho and thanks for the support!

Aceswe
04-16-2010, 12:23 PM
Bump please comment :D



BTW! if your ultis clones uses tripswires any other tripwires already set on anywhere on the map will be destroyed of course

Aceswe
04-16-2010, 01:24 PM
Cmon bump it! :( plx comment if ya think my hero is good

ClusterBeky
04-16-2010, 01:25 PM
check ninja assassin trailer maybe you find something that will help

Lanko
04-16-2010, 02:41 PM
NINJA! he sounds to complicated for me but cool

Frago
04-16-2010, 02:47 PM
Nice trip trap idea,... The ulti sounds pretty much like Naruto Ninja xD
he could be a ranger hero for what I see (and trow some kind of shuriken) or well change him to agility

Aceswe
04-16-2010, 03:28 PM
Yeah i know i thought about that, we will see what ppl think

Scou7
04-16-2010, 04:33 PM
Nice hero! i like the concept. like SCOUT but a more advanced and maybe ranged version. that requires a brain to master and precistion to fully bring his true power. i can really imagine playing him in-game. would be really cool :)

Aceswe
04-16-2010, 05:16 PM
i kno rite? epic hero is epic

Please comment your opinions and vote :)

watch out for tripwires!

Aceswe
04-16-2010, 06:45 PM
Bump :D plx comment

ClusterBeky
04-16-2010, 08:26 PM
ninjas are very inteligent not only killing machines

Aceswe
04-16-2010, 09:14 PM
Exactly,
also i would like more opinions regarding if he should be melee or ranged

thanks

Cavallero
04-16-2010, 10:19 PM
E very nice one...
You could make him ranged, throwing kunais...

I made a Ninja too, but mine is melee cause kunai throwing is his abilities... :D

Check him out...
Hotsuma (http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=94877)

Aceswe
04-16-2010, 10:42 PM
Yeah i did, but i also tought of my idea before i saw yours. so i was feeling kinda guilty when i made mine caus ei thought you guys whould think it was a ripoff :S
Yeah i know, if he was ranged i thought about kunais or shurikens.
BUT
i thought that it would be more action if you must melee because you ahev to chase them all the way to tripwire and not just run untill you see him and then range him .
Also i thought the clones would be cooler with melee and not ranged, because ranged clones are just so ugly
Ranged chasing is also gay haha

but still i dont know, someone has to come with a good argument with him becoming ranged

GayWorld3D
04-16-2010, 10:46 PM
With the illusions the ult spawns isn't it going to be insanely annoying to control them and have them do tripwire before they get hit twice and you lose control of them.

Aceswe
04-17-2010, 01:14 AM
well, if youre good and familiar iwth the hero after a while you will learn how to operate the clones good, otherwise you can use them for blocking, luring escaping or just damage. I mean, you dont have to put tripwires with ALL of your clones haha
get it? :)

Aceswe
04-17-2010, 01:47 AM
Im gonna bump this now, please give your comments and opinions

Aceswe
04-17-2010, 07:42 AM
aww... bump! no cooment in the whole night :(

cmon guys dont you think this is a cool hero?

Aceswe
04-18-2010, 01:55 PM
Im gonna bump once today :)

anyone got any ideas wether he should be a melee o ranged hero??

Aceswe
04-18-2010, 02:46 PM
bump! pleasorz comment!! :D

Aceswe
04-19-2010, 02:02 AM
Bump before school :D

YuumeiRei
04-19-2010, 10:19 AM
First, I think the overall idea is nice, but I found some problems in the concept and numbers. Constructive criticism otw:

-About the concept: The "Ninja" role is already played by Night Hound, the port of Stealth Assassin. Smokebomb fits better than firebomb, blink strike, backstab damage and passive invisibility. It's a perfect ninja concept.
Plus, why did you decided to make the Ninja an Int type hero? Agi fits the concept so much better. My opinion is, you should change the theme os your hero.


Skills and Numbers:

-He's a melee hero. Ok, fits the concept. But you really should boost his strenght gain. If a melee hero with this much HP come into a fight, he's dead. Try something around 2.3 per level, but lower his base armor to compensate.

-Tripwire is creative, but seems ineffective if the enemy can see it. Consider making the disable time a fixed 3 seconds at all levels (including the 1 second tripping time), but turning the string and string holders completely invisible. For short, 1 second trip time + 2 seeconds stun... invisible trap.

-I liked focus :smile: just tell me something: the aura gives just 8% aspd right? All the other bonuses are for the Ninja only right?

-His ultimate... I think you should make something more useful. The way it is, it could be an ordinary skill.
The "place-swpping" thing is already on Sand Wraith, wich is better, cuz mkes a clone behind every enemy hero... plus, the clones are way too weak to do some damage. Work on that... consider remaking it, maybe.


Here is my contribution. You have a nice concept there. In my opinion it just need further polishing and work.

Best Regards.

Frago
04-19-2010, 11:24 AM
MAy I have permission to get a fire boyourmb idea for my own hero inspired by yours?

Aceswe
04-19-2010, 02:05 PM
THANKS! For someone finaly commenting. Thanks for your ideas and points of view, appreciate it.
Well, ninja... it could be anything. The name can be totaly reworked. i mean, ninja, rogue, stalker, assasin, thief, samurai whatever all fits the main theme.

And im not good with numbers, so thanks for the comment on that. Don't say they are off, because i know they are. i kinda copied of blacksmith a little because i wanted an int melee. i KNOW he should be int but what? ninjas cant be smart? :(

I will edit tripwire and implement your suggestion, thanks.

And about tripwire, firebomb and the main theme, its all about him being a mercenary and a trickster, adapted to be able to construct a weapon best suited for the situation and to subdue his opponents while he take them down.

I'd like more help on the numbers more than anything, and if you could come up with an fitting ulti that would be kewl too ;)

Frago, of course! Ninjas are kewl! More ninjas to HoN! :) and btw , cool. i didnt thought I could inspire anyone :S


EDIT:
i know nighthound and scout are already the "assasins" of the game, but i wanted something that wasnt invisible and more combative, not staying hidden untill you can killsteal.

EDIT2:
On tripwire visibility, i was just trying to be realistic :P i mean its hidden, but it cant be insivible (well in HoN it can) so i thought if they are VERY near it, they can spot it. will edit that out tho thanks.

Aceswe
04-19-2010, 02:28 PM
Yes, focus attack speed is the only thing that applies to allies. (btw)

Kneb
04-19-2010, 03:07 PM
Yay! my hero :D kinda...
:madm:BUMPBUMPBUMP:madm:

YuumeiRei
04-19-2010, 04:05 PM
So... according to what you've said, "Trickster" should fit better the concept than Ninja. It's smart, use traps and stays out of the "invisible" thing. =D

Aceswe
04-19-2010, 04:41 PM
Thanks for your support. i will probably change hte name to Trickster

Ajhacket
04-19-2010, 04:47 PM
Ninja = swords as a majority and throwing stuff / shooting crossbows as a minority stay melee its fits with the theme more.

Trip wire is awesome and would be hilarious too, makes me think of warding up the secret shop till someone came along and then blowing them to kingdom-come with Techies in DoTA good placement would = great results with this skill.

Orginality check!

[Vote: Yes]

Please take a second to vote/comment on my hero suggestion too, link in signature!

Aceswe
04-19-2010, 04:52 PM
Thanks for the great support everybody. and yes i have decided to keep him as melee hero, i have changed his name to trickster tho, not to decieve your minds with that his skills would be the same as scouts or nighthounds. Because he uses traps and cunning to defeat his enemies!
i know, tripwire is epic. Could totaly rock up a few hilarious replays too :D

I will look on your suggs now then ill go to bed :)

ClusterBeky
04-19-2010, 05:02 PM
I have seen some crazy thing today,and ninja silent weapon

It is lik a bag with metal circle around enterance of the bag,rope is atached to metal cricle
Ninja trows it on enemy head and puls the rop,it activates blade in metal circle and chops the head off in the bag

Aceswe
04-19-2010, 05:08 PM
lmao and why is this relevant...? :D

i might be able to work it into an ulti tho ... hehe we wil see tomorrow

Aceswe
04-20-2010, 02:02 PM
BUMP! Comment please, i will rework ulti today in a alternative later. please comment anyway.

Cavallero
04-20-2010, 04:41 PM
You could wortk him out like a Western Bounty Hunter....

His skills looked like one.. .XD Traps, Fast thinking and Hunter...

You could make him use some guns or something... I don't really agree wih cone ranged, but its your hero... lol

Anyway... A good one...

And if you want to change the thread name to trikster, go EDIT, hen search for Go advanced.... here you will be able to change the thread name... XD

T-up...

Aceswe
04-22-2010, 01:16 AM
THanks :)

i think ill keep him melee, that way it needs more skills to maneuver him, but as ranged you just harass, harass, harass.
You know like assasins creed knifes coming out of his wrists :P

Aceswe
04-23-2010, 02:01 AM
bump :)

Aceswe
04-23-2010, 01:27 PM
Bump for teh lulz. I'm playing HoN right now :)
Comments on hero concept pleazorz

I think this hero would be cool to play in HoN because theres not really many heroes that requires skill or timing, only luck or the ability to spam Pounce :S

Aceswe
04-24-2010, 06:06 AM
Thanks for the thumbs up :)
wanna hear you guys opinions so, bump! :D

Aceswe
04-24-2010, 08:59 AM
Another bump :S

Aceswe
04-24-2010, 11:38 AM
ah cmon guys...

BUMP!

Aceswe
04-24-2010, 04:02 PM
Bump before i go to bed :P

And thanks for all the yes votes! But it would be EVEN funnier if you said something uplifting in the comments too! :D

Aceswe
04-25-2010, 06:16 AM
I know you like him!
Opinions?? :)

btw, i might rework the ulti if i bother

Aceswe
04-25-2010, 10:24 AM
bump

Beta
04-25-2010, 11:45 AM
Hes sux really bad cuz he haz 0.5 lezz magixarmor than otherz!

Aceswe
04-25-2010, 12:46 PM
Lol that can be changed :P
and i wanted him to a kinda small armor because he wont need armor because everyone will fall into his sinister traps

Aceswe
04-25-2010, 02:45 PM
b to the u to the u to the m!
What was that?
BUMP!

Aceswe
04-26-2010, 01:23 AM
ahh cmon... i feel ashemed for bumping so many times :S

Aceswe
04-26-2010, 08:31 AM
bump of DOOOOOM

Aceswe
04-27-2010, 03:37 PM
bumpy bumpy

Aceswe
04-30-2010, 05:43 AM
omg... like 20 bumps in a row??? Really? Nothing to say? ;S

Aceswe
05-03-2010, 03:43 PM
Bump of the forgotten thread O.o

Aceswe
05-04-2010, 07:08 AM
oh cmon... BBBBUUUMMMPPP

ClusterBeky
05-04-2010, 10:19 AM
let me bump for you

Aceswe
05-05-2010, 08:45 AM
Ah, the contest is ongoing. Too bad you guys didnt vote enough for me to get in, because i would gladly see this hero above all the other 3 in the contest. they sucked.
bump lol xD

pLayPaL15
05-05-2010, 10:43 AM
good concept

Aceswe
05-06-2010, 01:41 AM
Thanks, Bump.
Does someone got any idea for ulti?
I'm a little unsure about this one. Got an idea about when you activate your ulti
A band of hidden Ambushers hop out to defend you, forming a ring around you.
They attack random enemies around you or the target you attack,
Kinda lika defilers ulti.

Aceswe
05-06-2010, 09:33 AM
Oh, today i invented another cool ulti!
Its called something like Tripwire Security Activate. or something.
All your current tripwire holders become turrets and fires lasers (or some other kind of projectile), like pollywogs ulti wards, or slithers wards, or any wards.
Cool?
and under the Activation duration, the holders isnt destroyed if someone trips the wire, just the wire. but after they die.
Opinions?

Aceswe
05-07-2010, 01:40 AM
Wasup guys please comment on the new suggestions

Aceswe
05-08-2010, 01:00 PM
bump of epicness