[Vadi] health as numbers

[Vadi]

Disabled as of 0.1.36, pending an S2 decision on this: "because some people felt it wasn't fair and we haven't made an "official ruling" yet on whether or not we want to make that [health/mana numbers] available".

Whats this mod about
This one displays their current/max health above the hp/mana bar and under the tooltip.

Useful on all heroes, especially when playing Legionnaire.

Screenshots

http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/21627/shot0010_25os7V.jpg http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/21628/shot0011_pqSQ5W.jpg

Installing
To install, download this file (http://launchpad.net/hon-ui-mods/0.1/0.1/+download/resources003.s2z) into the games folder game/ folder. The default locations for these are:

Linux: /home/<username>/HoN/game/
Windows 7: C:\Program Files\Heroes of Newerth\game\
Windows Vista: C:\Program Files\Heroes of Newerth\game\
Windows XP: C:\Program Files\Heroes of Newerth\game\
Mac:
1. Press Finder
2. Press Applications
3. Right click 'Heroes of Newerth', and press Show containing files
4. Open Game folder
5. Move file here

Feedback along with ideas is appreciated.

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[Lej]

Interesting. Now I want to try modding some myself. Is there a command to reload the ui / file so you don't have to restart the game after you do a small edit?

[zellogs]

Perhaps you might be inclined to make a version that doesn't show their max hp value? just their current, I don't really care what their max hp is I can guage that from the bar % is there any chance of you making a version like that :)?

[Soulutions]

Perhaps you might be inclined to make a version that doesn't show their max hp value? just their current, I don't really care what their max hp is I can guage that from the bar % is there any chance of you making a version like that :)?
What's so bad about seeing the max value? I mean does it distract you or something?

Anyways nice work Vadi

[Vadi]

Perhaps you might be inclined to make a version that doesn't show their max hp value? just their current, I don't really care what their max hp is I can guage that from the bar % is there any chance of you making a version like that :)?

That's reasonable. But first I'll need to figure out some way of automatically generating the different versions - editing 1 file and saving it as different ones leads to problems when I need to update them all.

[MaxGhost]

I. Love. This.

Now all I want is a mod to show the health of towers, just like this mod, cause last hitting is insanely hard right now.

[Deveon]

wonder if there'll be rules against modding in ranked play?

I predict this is only the beginning, quite a useful gadget to have >.>

[Soulutions]

wonder if there'll be rules against modding in ranked play?

I predict this is only the beginning, quite a useful gadget to have >.>
hmm rules would be hard to enforce and I mean you were able to see the health before as well but it wasn't quite as handy ^^

[A`nub`is]

What about left number current hp (slightly red) and right number current mana (slightly blue) ... that would be awesome ... so awesome, that S2 actually needs to do this by default b/c basically it's like cheating a bit :p

[Vadi]

wonder if there'll be rules against modding in ranked play?

I predict this is only the beginning, quite a useful gadget to have >.>

I'm not against that, but frankly, there is no mechanism in place (that I can think of too) to prevent this. Replays wont show this either.

Unless they make the client upload all the data files it has been using after a match, but they are 150mb or so :confused:

Best you can do is use it yourself! It's available for everyone.

[Soulutions]

What about left number current hp (slightly red) and right number current mana (slightly blue) ... that would be awesome ... so awesome, that S2 actually needs to do this by default b/c basically it's like cheating a bit :p


hmm rules would be hard to enforce and I mean you were able to see the health before as well but it wasn't quite as handy ^^
Yes I was able to answer with selfquoting :P
I like the idea of the hp/mana

[OldEnglish]

I'm not against that, but frankly, there is no mechanism in place (that I can think of too) to prevent this. Replays wont show this either.

Unless they make the client upload all the data files it has been using after a match, but they are 150mb or so :confused:

I can't imagine it would be that difficult for them to implement some kind of checksum which makes sure the file versions on each client connecting to a ranked game are consistent with the current official versions.

[Vadi]

I can't imagine it would be that difficult for them to implement some kind of checksum which makes sure the file versions on each client connecting to a ranked game are consistent with the current official versions.

Yeah, you're right. I forgot.

[Yanzitos]

Great ideia! I'm definitly going to implement this!

And hell yeah, it would be nice to have a mana bar also!
:D

[Soulutions]

I can't imagine it would be that difficult for them to implement some kind of checksum which makes sure the file versions on each client connecting to a ranked game are consistent with the current official versions.
I believe to have read that they are going to be mod-friendly so that shouldnt be a problem

[haunt]

Great mod 10/10

[Dave]

What happens if there's an update?
Won't the file get overwritten?

[rhodric1]

this mod is like cheating...i love it

[Vadi]

What happens if there's an update?
Won't the file get overwritten?

No, because it overwrites the stock one. If the stock one is updated though for something, I'll need to do an update to include it.

[Viole]

oh wow. nerd.

but that's a good thing :3

[iCobbler]

I'm not sure if this is related to your mod (which is great) or not but I played a game with it turned on and got extensive FPS lag. I disconnected myself half way through the match and removed the resources003.s2z file and things began to run much more smoothly.

Just wondering if anybody else has ran into this issue of if there's something else going on with my game.

Edit: Must have been something else, running perfectly smooth now. Great mod, I'll keep an eye out for your next ones. :D

[HunteR_]

s2 should definitely include this, it needs to be toggle-able

[Matarei]

Petition to make this permanent!

[Naib]

not bad.
hte mana number seems to only show maximum as opose to present mana level
health follows present level

[GoldenDragon]

How do you make these mods?
I'd also love to tweak this to show current HP&Mana(perhaps remove the bars.)
and just in general, start modding the app myself.

[redcarpet]

thanks for this mod man, thumbs up to you!

[cybertag]

s2 should definitely include this, it needs to be toggle-able

Signed.

[Secron]

not bad.
hte mana number seems to only show maximum as opose to present mana level
health follows present level

There is no mana number, it's health/max health.

I haven't used it yet, but I will! I vote for current hp/current mana.

And yeah toggle-able would be good too, but who would ever want to turn it off?

[Naib]

ahh my mistake. current hp and current mana would be more useful I think

[Avi1231]

Vadi, just tried this out and it's great. One thing I noticed was that I was playing as Thunderbringer and his tooltip now pops up with "hunderbringe" (part of the final 'e' was also cut off). Not sure if something's just off with my files but I'd appreciate if someone else could check this and tell us what's up.

[Vadi]

I have that one done, but I am undecided on he coloring. Ill publish the plain HP/mana in a few.

[Kaylel]

hmm rules would be hard to enforce and I mean you were able to see the health before as well but it wasn't quite as handy ^^

If S2 used Punkbuster it wouldn't be hard at all. Punkbuster can take a snapshot of what the other players see on their own screens, which is how you can quickly catch cheaters.

[Pro]

^ lol punkbuster. Majority of pb hacks turn off all visual changes for the slight moment the screenshot is taken so it will look default.

[Kaylel]

^ lol punkbuster. Majority of pb hacks turn off all visual changes for the slight moment the screenshot is taken so it will look default.

And people caught hacking PB get banned from every single game that uses PB.

[Warchamp7]

Hey Punkbuster lovers, my buddy has made an image that will ban you from Punkbuster.

If you see the image and punkbuster is loaded, you'd get banned.

Also, it's not like you have to load the image while playing CoD4 as most browsers, if not all, cache images.

Stop praising PunkBuster, no anti-hack system is perfect.

[Vanilla]

Very nice mod

[FiNGERS]

Perhaps you might be inclined to make a version that doesn't show their max hp value? just their current, I don't really care what their max hp is I can guage that from the bar % is there any chance of you making a version like that :)?

I agree a version where it only showed current hp would be welcome. Personally I don't care what their max hp is.

[zp3dd4]

very nice mod, thanks!

[Jikiniki]

I'm having some issues with this mod. It doen't show the correct numbers. :3

Here are 2 screenshots:
http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/179/shot0005cuo.jpg
http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/4103/shot0007kcr.jpg

As you can see, some numbers are simply cut off. Zooming in or out doesn't help anything.

Maybe expanding the black box where the numbers are will help. I'm thinking about the same size like the health and mana bars below.

Anyway, great stuff you're doing. Keep it up!

[GoldenDragon]

I have that one done, but I am undecided on he coloring. Ill publish the plain HP/mana in a few.

But how did you actually make the mods? is the public(testers.) able to make them or just a few privelaged?

[Warchamp7]

I also noticed that Jikiniki, came here to report it.

It doesn't seem to like 4 digit health in some cases.

[Jikiniki]

But how did you actually make the mods? is the public(testers.) able to make them or just a few privelaged?
The games from s2 were always very modable. There are tons of mods and addons for Savage1+2. This will probably go the same for HoN, as you can already see quite a few mods here http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=7391.

I'm looking forward to see more of that stuff coming. :3



I also noticed that Jikiniki, came here to report it.

It doesn't seem to like 4 digit health in some cases.
Well, that was quite a fast answer. :3 Thanks. I thought i would be the only one with this issue because i've seen nobody complain about it.

[Vadi]

I was cheap on the bar size calculation and didn't include it (though I'd get away with a fixed width). Will be fixed

[GoldenDragon]

The games from s2 were always very modable. There are tons of mods and addons for Savage1+2. This will probably go the same for HoN, as you can already see quite a few mods here http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=7391.

I'm looking forward to see more of that stuff coming. :3



Well, that was quite a fast answer. :3 Thanks. I thought i would be the only one with this issue because i've seen nobody complain about it.

But what is the actual process to make the mods? is there some "HoN editor" somewhere!? =\

[dewatempur]

Vadi, last night i try your mod about 'drawing on minimap' but it was not working.
Not sure bout the mod showing hp

[binbo]

Doesn't seem to work with the new patch?

[Namenda]

I'd like it to be

Current hp / current mana

instead of

current hp / max hp

[KARTlK]

The patch really broke it? :(( was planning on downloading this on my other laptop :(

[Deages1]

whats this mod about
this one displays their current/max health above the hp/mana bar and under the tooltip.

Useful on all heroes, especially when playing legionnaire.

screenshots

http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/21627/shot0010_25os7v.jpg http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/21628/shot0011_pqsq5w.jpg

installing
to install, download this file (http://launchpad.net/hon-ui-mods/0.1/0.1/+download/resources003.s2z) into the games folder game/ folder. The default locations for these are:

linux: /home/<username>/hon/game/
windows 7: C:\program files\heroes of newerth\game\
windows vista: C:\program files\heroes of newerth\game\
windows xp: C:\program files\heroes of newerth\game\
mac:
1. Press finder
2. Press applications
3. Right click 'heroes of newerth', and press show containing files
4. Open game folder
5. Move file here

feedback along with ideas is appreciated.

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does anyone else notice
his hp
at level 3?

[dewatempur]

does anyone else notice
his hp
at level 3?

No..

[Jikiniki]

does anyone else notice
his hp
at level 3?
Private Game -> Easy Mode -> Items? Who cares?
The picture is only there to show people what this mod does.
It doesn't matter if he's level 3 or 25.

[Vadi]

I bought all beasthearts to test its width with 4 digit numbers quickly.

Going to look into updating the mods today.

[Cataclysma]

This is an amazing mod, Vadi, I'm sure it'll help me with last hitting vastly, too.
Thanks.

[exnx]

Is anyone else disturbed that apparently you have to download third party programs/files just to not be at a disadvantage when masses of people will use this type of stuff

[binbo]

Yes... kinda sucks. I hope it doesn't get to the point WoW was before they nerfed addons. You would have mods that automatically dispelled debuffs (they hooked to all the movement keys, so whenever you moved it would see if it can remove a debuff).

[Vadi]

Is anyone else disturbed that apparently you have to download third party programs/files just to not be at a disadvantage when masses of people will use this type of stuff

nope

people learn to animation cancel, you have to learn to compete

people learn to last hit, you have to learn to compete

people learn to select a person to see their hp, you have to learn to compete

...

[exnx]

nope

people learn to animation cancel, you have to learn to compete

people learn to last hit, you have to learn to compete

people learn to select a person to see their hp, you have to learn to compete

...

uh, none of those involve downloading third party files..

[n00bie]

doesn't seem to work

edit: works after patch, nicely done

[e1]

Can anyone link me to something by S2 saying that using mods like this is ok? Also same about the camera height edit.

In C&C:ZH it was considered cheating (rightly, it gives a huge advantage) to edit the camera height. Editing gamefiles (or adding new ones) to gain an advantage is usualy called cheating. I know some games allow it (and call the cheats 'mods') but I also know some competitions do lots of things to prevent editing games that are usualy okay to edit e.g. locking the console in Counter-Strike tournements.

[Avi1231]

e1, the whole camera thing is possible because I believe S2 is still debating how to set it permanently so they've left it so we can mess with it to give them feedback. As for the modding thing; I don't see it going away as I've heard S2 devs say that the game will be 100% moddable from the game menus to the game itself. Don't quote me as I'm not sure how true this is.

[Jikiniki]

Plus:
It's a beta. s2games can see how popular some addons are and might adding them to the game by standart.

[Sponge_]

Hey Vadi,

first: great job with this mod, here a modification idea:

instead of showing the currenthp/maxhp you could script it this way:
showing currenthp/currentmana, i think it would be more useful.

thanks
anyway great job

[Synackaon]

+Kudos for you.

This also lends credence to what I said against the interface QQ'ers,
"Mod it". :D

[Barter]

I was looking at the forums and noticed this thread:
http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=10669

Would be interesting if it's possible to implement it in the tooltip, the distance from you to them. I don't know if you have access to the heroes positions on the map to calculate it, you may have access to the tooltip positions I would think tough, that would be better than nothing.

[x0re]

I've done a slightly different version of this mod, including current health/ current mana instead of the current HP/ max HP.

It has colored text (HP ind green, Mana in blue), its width is fixed to the normal hp bars width and the bugs occured with long heroe names are fixed.

Have fun with it.
Download (http://x0re.x0.funpic.de/hon/resources003.s2z)

Might be postig some pictures later.
Installation keeps the same as posted by Vadi.

[Soodi]

GJ x0re :) Works really well

[gramma]

havin' fun with it already........ ;-) ThX!

[Vadi]

I've pubished the health + mana version: http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=10734

hero names weren't really a problem, the #'s width itself was as it doesn't size dynamically.

[endo]

I've pubished the health + mana version: http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=10734

hero names weren't really a problem, the #'s width itself was as it doesn't size dynamically.

great! thanks. will start using this immediately.

[Magissia]

Don't work with 0.36

[Vadi]

see op

[Astah]

its sad they disabled it

considering you can still "kinda" see their exact hp/mana by SELECTING the enemy hero and looking at where your stash is meant to be, you see their hp/mana and items.

[Magissia]

It will like Blizzard ? Disabling mods every patchs ? =/

[Dustin1]

Im sure they are gonna add something like this in a new patch so it doesn't give an "edge" to people who don't have the mod.

[DEiMUS]

Sigh... there is NO reason why this should be disabled if you can click an enemy hero to see their current hp anyway. No, it doesn't take "more skill" to do so. It's an annoyance.

[Feriluce]

Sigh... there is NO reason why this should be disabled if you can click an enemy hero to see their current hp anyway. No, it doesn't take "more skill" to do so. It's an annoyance.

Yea, sure it doesnt take any more skill to look in the lower right corner, and it doesnt really make a difference in a 1v1. However if you have a 5v5 fight, its pretty clear that you have an advantage if you can see the exact health lvls of the entire enemy team just by looking at the screen.
Without the mod you'd have to click through 5 heroes in the middle of a teamfight to see that.

[`Entice]

Yea, sure it doesn't take any more skill to look in the lower right corner, and it doesn't really make a difference in a 1v1. However if you have a 5v5 fight, its pretty clear that you have an advantage if you can see the exact health lvls of the entire enemy team just by looking at the screen.
Without the mod you'd have to click through 5 heroes in the middle of a teamfight to see that.

That is no different than back when you had to hold down ALT in WC3 to see the HP bars above all units. There were a few mods that did it for you, and Blizzard eventually patched WC3 to make it toggle-able.

This isn't exactly the same, but it's a similar concept.

[Feriluce]

That is no different than back when you had to hold down ALT in WC3 to see the HP bars above all units. There were a few mods that did it for you, and Blizzard eventually patched WC3 to make it toggle-able.

This isn't exactly the same, but it's a similar concept.

dont get me wrong, I like this mod.

However you cant say it doesn't give a clear advantage, and S2 decided that it was too much of an advantage. Hopefully we will see an option for this implemented.

[ArmedMonkey]

Yea, sure it doesnt take any more skill to look in the lower right corner, and it doesnt really make a difference in a 1v1. However if you have a 5v5 fight, its pretty clear that you have an advantage if you can see the exact health lvls of the entire enemy team just by looking at the screen.
Without the mod you'd have to click through 5 heroes in the middle of a teamfight to see that.


Your argument is a little faulty. Why don't we just disable health bars too? (And so on). I'm aware of your position on the mod from a later post, but it seems like the reasonable thing to do is make the game as informative as possible, not to make people have to focus on things like clicking every hero all the time. It's dumb.

[LightofdaY]

SO why did they disable this feature? i would like it back.

[CrashLemon]

I could know a semi-workaround if it's possible to set custom variables in XML.

[MaxGhost]

I could know a semi-workaround if it's possible to set custom variables in XML.
Yup. You can create custom vars... check the honwiki.net site for more info.

[Naratu]

Your argument is a little faulty. Why don't we just disable health bars too? (And so on). I'm aware of your position on the mod from a later post, but it seems like the reasonable thing to do is make the game as informative as possible, not to make people have to focus on things like clicking every hero all the time. It's dumb.

The answer is quite simple. As he has already stated, it gives people who HAVE INSTALLED THE MOD an edge over those who have not. Ideally S2 would implement this mod into the game itself, as it is extremely useful and informative. I believe that they've made the right move with this one, though. You must assume that any player can play just as competitively as any other with or without the use of mods.

I would really hate to see HoN turn into something like WoW where you absolutely have to have certain mods to compete.. then when they patch the game all your mods break due to small coding changes and you can't even play the game for a week. Although, since it's still in beta, I would hope that S2 scopes out which mods are extremely popular among the community and simply implement them directly into the game.

[Avi1231]

The answer is quite simple. As he has already stated, it gives people who HAVE INSTALLED THE MOD an edge over those who have not. Ideally S2 would implement this mod into the game itself, as it is extremely useful and informative. I believe that they've made the right move with this one, though. You must assume that any player can play just as competitively as any other with or without the use of mods.

I would really hate to see HoN turn into something like WoW where you absolutely have to have certain mods to compete.. then when they patch the game all your mods break due to small coding changes and you can't even play the game for a week. Although, since it's still in beta, I would hope that S2 scopes out which mods are extremely popular among the community and simply implement them directly into the game.

I know what you mean, but I would hate for them to start implementing mods that I don't care for. There are some UIs that I don't care for. If they made the call on one UI versus another then that could be lame and I'm doubtful they feel like trying to put all of them in to give people their choice.

[Xelothar]

i have a question, is it possible to get the "number of Health and Mana" and in addition the "percentage" of it? both together would be very nice.

Xelothar

[korreWorre]

i have a question, is it possible to get the "number of Health and Mana" and in addition the "percentage" of it? both together would be very nice.

Xelothar

No the Health and Mana numbers is disabled by S2. Only thing that works atm is percentage of it.

[AxisKnight]

if displaying the number of HP/Mana above the HP/Mana bars is cheating than there is something wrong with the game. If that is the difference between winning and losing the game should be fixed.

[Xelothar]

ah i've read that... poor thing... but i think it was too overpowered. maybe it will be implemented in a distant time

[Borschti]

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[Jetbalance]

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[MaxGhost]

Gawd people. Learn to read. This mod doesn't work anymore. Can you please not revive threads?