View Full Version : [Vadi UI Mod] draw on the minimap toggle
Disabled as of 0.1.37, official reason: "It will likely come back at some point, it just was never designed for use in this game. In Savage 2, only one player on the team could use it, in HoN it does some funny things if more than one person tries to draw. It also was abusable, as the above screenshot shows. When it is ready, it will be available to everyone without needing a mod."
Whats this mod about
This one allows a player to make use of the K2 engine's one neat feature - drawing on the minimap. It was present for commanders (http://www.savage2.com/en/gameplay_comm.php) in Savage 2, but the UI option for this was not yet introduced in HoN. This mod enables it unofficially until that's in (or they make one of those funny decisions again and never add a toggle).
All players on your team will saw what you draw.
Of course, do maintain a decent code of conduct while using this tool ;)
Screenshots
http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/21680/minimap_toggle_zyQ1d7.jpg
Installing
To install, download this file (http://launchpad.net/hon-ui-mods/0.1/0.1/+download/resources005.s2z) into the games folder game/ folder. The default locations for these are:
Linux: /home/<username>/HoN/game/
Windows 7: C:\Program Files\Heroes of Newerth\game\
Windows Vista: C:\Program Files\Heroes of Newerth\game\
Windows XP: C:\Program Files\Heroes of Newerth\game\
Mac:
1. Press Finder
2. Press Applications
3. Right click 'Heroes of Newerth', and press Show containing files
4. Open Game folder
5. Move file here
Caveat Emptor
If two people try to draw at the same time, "it'll spaz out continually try to connect the two points where the people are clicking". There's nothing I can do about this, it's an engine thing. It was designed for only 1 person per team to be able to draw.
If you're having a banlist-worthy douche abusing this, heres how to disable it:
press ctlr+f8
ui_minimapdrawtime 0
press ctrl+f8
Feedback along with ideas is appreciated.
Sharing this in-game
Here's an easy url to remember/type in: http://tinyurl.com/hon-mm-draw
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Techies
08-12-2009, 08:54 AM
Ah sweet, can other players see it though?
All players on your team will see this.
drachir
08-12-2009, 09:00 AM
Maybe add that if you hold a key, say G, you draw a line, else if you click you just use the minimap to move to that spot.
Yeah when I can figure out the keybindings. This was my first path to go by, but I figured out more of the interface before the keybindings.
Zejety
08-12-2009, 09:05 AM
Is it legal to use it?
It certainly gives an advantage.
It's free, and anyone can get it. Nothing prohibits the other team from using it.
Oh and you can draw on the minimap without the mod. It's something that's built into the engine.
DualCross1
08-12-2009, 09:08 AM
can i make it fade faster?
KARTlK
08-12-2009, 09:08 AM
You are so awesome. I really hope this doesn't get abused in pubs. At least I'll have something cool to show my friends when I'm playing with them :)
Techies
08-12-2009, 09:13 AM
First impressiongs:
The lines last too long.
It takes forever before you can draw another line somewhere else, because it seems to keep linking to the last one. It's a useful function but would be better off if you had to hold a key, don't want it to do that by default.
Latency seems to effect the speed at which the line is drawn.
Zejety
08-12-2009, 09:16 AM
can i make it fade faster?
I wonder the same thing
Jharii
08-12-2009, 09:33 AM
Wow, Vadi. I am impressed. Glad I joined LC when I did if you are going to be pimping the clannies out with mods like this.
http://img.att.net/photos/60/41199960/488046/legioncivilized01.png?12bf861d-d290-4a5f-88e2-1f03ae73a8a4
First impressiongs:
The lines last too long.
It takes forever before you can draw another line somewhere else, because it seems to keep linking to the last one. It's a useful function but would be better off if you had to hold a key, don't want it to do that by default.
Latency seems to effect the speed at which the line is drawn.
I think they're set to last for 15s right now. How long do you want them to last for?
and I don't think I can change the linking thing. It's the same in S2, and imho is quite annoying too.
latency does have an effect because its all sent to the server
Damage
08-12-2009, 09:59 AM
Very nice... well done Vadi.
DualCross1
08-12-2009, 10:02 AM
Well i don't think if i draw an arrow for a gank that it needs to last 15 seconds, probably 10 seconds too long.
dewatempur
08-12-2009, 10:02 AM
Wow impressive mod. gonna try this now :) tq
Chopsticks1
08-12-2009, 10:03 AM
This solves my problem with not being able to make a phallus by pinging the map.
Techies
08-12-2009, 10:07 AM
I think they're set to last for 15s right now. How long do you want them to last for?
and I don't think I can change the linking thing. It's the same in S2, and imho is quite annoying too.
latency does have an effect because its all sent to the server
I would start at 5 seconds for now.
I would start at 5 seconds for now.
actually, you can experiment yourself and let me know which is best.
do ctrl+f8, and then
ui_minimapDrawTime 5000
to make it be 5s. then ctrl+f8 again to go back
Whitebushid1
08-12-2009, 10:17 AM
John Madden inc
Glorify1
08-12-2009, 10:19 AM
You might want to note that if multiple people try to draw at the same time, it'll spaz out continually try to connect the two points where the people are clicking.
I didn't know that was the case. But understandable because in S2 only 1 person per team could draw.
Oh well, there's the fallback of using non-released features ;)
Xyphler
08-12-2009, 10:26 AM
Thanks Vadi! It's kinda funky still but it works wonders.
Off topic:
I've been trying to get into your clan but you're always offline when Im on.
I cant get on now apparently. Im using my house laptop. I can only play on my other computer which is far from reach right now.
Spawn10459
08-12-2009, 10:56 AM
i support drawing on the mini map :) Pinging just doesnt cut it
Matarei
08-12-2009, 09:22 PM
There should be a way to turn off Drawing incoming from other players if they are abusing this, if possible
Kaylel
08-12-2009, 09:39 PM
There should be a way to turn off Drawing incoming from other players if they are abusing this, if possible
Would have to be a part of the engine though. Vadi just basically made available something that was already there. And like he said, in Savage only one person has access usually. I imagine in HoN they might have like a team captain or something and force the option only on them.
There should be a way to turn off Drawing incoming from other players if they are abusing this, if possible
do ctrl+f8, and then
ui_minimapDrawTime 0
to make it be 0s. then ctrl+f8 again to go back
let me know if that works!
LiquorQ
08-12-2009, 09:49 PM
Wow, this is SO uselful. Thank you.
FiNGERS
08-12-2009, 10:01 PM
John Madden inc
I LOL'd. Thanks for this Vadi. Now if we could only get S2 to actually implement this feature and the HP showing one, we'd be set!
_Archangel_
08-13-2009, 04:09 AM
I love your mods with a fiery burning passion. Thanks :D
Crosis
08-13-2009, 04:24 AM
So you made a mod to allow idiots to scribble all over the map without the option for players who dont have it to easily disable it without knowing a script code. Just got out of a game with some kid doing it and it was rather obnoxious to say the least, still won but thats besides the point. Thanks bro.
Hell you even got a thread already with someone complaining about an abuser.
http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=10561
The intentions are noble dont get me wrong I like the concept of the idea because it is annoying to do multiple pings, but you just gave kids a new toy to abuse.
Freezerstin1
08-13-2009, 04:42 AM
A game of mine just got destroyed by two players who colored the map in throughout the 30 minute game.
did you guys consider what kinda crap this tool could give the game?
I had a guy draw Dicks all over the minimap, and when we were ganking, he colored a huge circle around me in..
Terrex
08-13-2009, 04:49 AM
Sexy <3
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So you made a mod to allow idiots to scribble all over the map without the option for players who dont have it to easily disable it without knowing a script code. Just got out of a game with some kid doing it and it was rather obnoxious to say the least, still won but thats besides the point. Thanks bro.
Hell you even got a thread already with someone complaining about an abuser.
http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=10561
The intentions are noble dont get me wrong I like the concept of the idea because it is annoying to do multiple pings, but you just gave kids a new toy to abuse.
that's unfortunate, but disabling it is easy. in fact, while massive pings can't be blocked, this can.
ctlr+f8
ui_minimapdrawtime 0
ctrl+f8
no coding required, just 2 buttons and typing
BLUEPOWERVAN
08-13-2009, 10:22 PM
that's unfortunate, but disabling it is easy. in fact, while massive pings can't be blocked, this can.
ctlr+f8
ui_minimapdrawtime 0
ctrl+f8
no coding required, just 2 buttons and typing
lol, yeah that's totally obvious to any of the 150,000+ beta testers whose read this thread in the last 24 hours and might remember a random cvar
_swEEt
08-14-2009, 12:31 AM
nice find but proberbly shouldnt have been released until everyone knows how to stop it. i was ruining my mates games all day yesterday was so fun. they go to gank and i scriblle over he minimap and they can see anything GENOCIDE cept for me :P
Techies
08-14-2009, 07:27 AM
Don't think this is such a good feature to implement in HoN anymore.
Apart form the obvious abuse potential (which could be stopped with some innovation like the introduction of "ink" that can run out or something in that line.
The main reason is it's just not needed. In a game like guild wars it works, because it's a game where the view is fixed and teammates are together all the time, you'll find that the most time your using this feature is to help your team navigate a part of the terrain precisely and when to engage. But in order to do this the minimap must concentrate on a certain area and not show the whole map like in HoN currently. With the whole terrain visible in HoN, it's just not really needed, a simple ping to a location is effective enough.
Unless it's drastically reworked somehow it just doesn't work in HoN, maybe for a mod? Won't really know until after game's release.
REDALiCE
08-14-2009, 08:19 AM
Its pretty fun though. Your teammates will go "HOW U DO DAT?"
HighlifeTTU
08-14-2009, 11:33 AM
With the whole terrain visible in HoN, it's just not really needed, a simple ping to a location is effective enough.
Unless it's drastically reworked somehow it just doesn't work in HoN, maybe for a mod? Won't really know until after game's release.
I disagree. Last night I was using it to guide my team. The enemy was in the top lane a bit away from his tower. I pinged the enemy and drew a line that showed my team to approach him from behind in the forest.
Yeah, I'm sure experienced competitive players won't use this but in pubs it is great.
Rullstol
08-14-2009, 11:59 AM
Those who have complained about this should really calm a bit - either S2 is gonna implement this and add some dis-/enable option to it or they get rid of it forever I guess.
Either way it's just a matter of time until people and retards abusing it get used to or grow tired of it - Ping allows similar abuse and it can't even be disabled but since everyone can do it, noone bothers.
I'm going to draw this.
8=)
It's a smiley face :D
Spawn10459
08-14-2009, 02:36 PM
AWESOME!
hackman5000
08-15-2009, 08:43 AM
IMO the benefits greatly outweigh the abuses. Some jerk can ruin your game in many ways, and I don't think they'd go too far out of their way to install this. Thought if it was implemented by S2, it would be nice if there was some sort of "ignore draw and/or pings" checkbox in the menu, just like control sharing.
This would greatly benefit a team who has a good leader or wants to improve their gank/neut sweep strategy, or even a random guy who wants to try and help his fellow pubbies out.
Disabled as of 0.1.37, official reason: "It will likely come back at some point, it just was never designed for use in this game. In Savage 2, only one player on the team could use it, in HoN it does some funny things if more than one person tries to draw. It also was abusable, as the above screenshot shows. When it is ready, it will be available to everyone without needing a mod."
Thenknight
08-15-2009, 05:39 PM
Lol your mods keep getting disabled...
Warchamp7
08-15-2009, 05:40 PM
Lol your mods keep getting disabled...
Better sooner than later
Lol your mods keep getting disabled...
Yep. The "super testers" are giving "quality feedback"!
Thenknight
08-15-2009, 05:46 PM
Better sooner than later
/agreed
At least they are filtering through them. I should make a thread with all the aproved mods or make a website for it. Since youve already made a thread with mods, I will PM ya when the site is done. (I wont upload it without your permission).
Sending PM with info on how it would work soon :D
Not sure who's permission you're going to be asking, but I like my mods where I'm hosting them, thanks. Feel free to link though.
Mugumaster
08-16-2009, 09:45 AM
I would love to see this implemented (bad english i know :P )
But instead of all players can use it, the top player in the waiting lobby should be "captain" of the team and can use the draw method to direct orders to the team.
Would be so awesome in clan battles :)
vadi your Mods are awesome .. but s2 keep disabling then T_T
HeavySoul
08-19-2009, 10:24 PM
Great idea though. It would be really nice to have this in game.
This could be another use for my proposed Special Modifier. Press the (user-defined) Special Modifier key and use left click to draw. See link below for full description.
http://forums.heroesofnewerth.com/showthread.php?t=8249
Ivarzone
12-10-2009, 12:38 PM
Reupload since the site is bugging
Taggsvamp
12-10-2009, 01:18 PM
Reupload since the site is bugging
Disabled as of 0.1.37, official reason: "It will likely come back at some point, it just was never designed for use in this game. In Savage 2, only one player on the team could use it, in HoN it does some funny things if more than one person tries to draw. It also was abusable, as the above screenshot shows. When it is ready, it will be available to everyone without needing a mod."
fyra bokst?ver xD